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Daily Collegian Article On Starrocci Allegations
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I'm still left dumbfounded. An alleged victim of a crime comes to your wife-to-be and divulges what happened to her. Said wife-to-be (or wife) doesn't say "you should file a report with the police". Instead, she tells Beau and Beau says "I should tell Coach Cael". This doesn't sound like adult behavior to me.
BUT - I actually still remember my old phone number in Harrisburg during those days! JO4-2086 No area codes. You had to call the operator to make a long distance call out of your area.
The actual statements are not third party hearsay because they aren’t being made by a third party, full stop. It’s no different than if the women stood outside the wrestling complex with a megaphone. The newspaper article that contains the first-party statements from the women about what they personally experienced would constitute hearsay if you tried to admit the article into evidence, but that’s not my point - my point is that calling the allegations third-party hearsay in an attempt to discredit the accusers is not an accurate description of what’s going on here.
You might be dumbfounded because that’s not what the article describes. The article says that in late 2024, the Bartletts were made aware of a sexual assault allegation against Starocci by mutual friends of the Bartletts and the woman, and that they had apparently heard rumors about Starocci’s behavior towards women previously (rumors that appear to have been circulating through the undergraduate population for the past several years). When they were alerted to the allegation, Mrs. Bennett called Starocci’s girlfriend in December 2024 and told her of the allegation. A few days later, Beau discovered that his locker had been broken into and his items stolen, and suspected Starocci because he was aware that his wife had just told Starocci’s girlfriend about the assault allegations a few days before. The theft of his belongings was what Beau says he told the coaching staff about, as well as the inappropriate conduct that Beau experienced from Starocci.
At no point in the story does it say that the woman spoke to Bennett or his wife, just that mutual friends shared the woman’s experience with the Bennetts, which they forwarded to Starocci’s girlfriend. At no point does it suggest that Mrs. Bennett told Beau to tell the coaching staff about the allegation.
Oh, so they were relying on total hearsay to go mucking about in other people's lives. And then doubling down with baseless speculation. That's much better.
Yep...a lot of crotch grabbing and fondling happened to me in my younger days too.
Unfortunately, I was the only one in the room.
And one of the reasons we have no way of knowing if security rules were violated is because the article was so poorly researched. The writer did not bother to determine what the protocols are, when the events happened, or who was present. The woman said that on one occasion another wrestler was there. Who? In fact, the writer apparently did not bother to ask the wrestlers he did have access to if such a thing was possible.
Was there any attempt made to verify this story with Starocci's girlfriend? All we have is one person's unverified story. I'm not saying it didn't happen. I am just asking for some backup to the allegation.
You know, trust, but verify.
He didn't spin anything he simply used ajs thy pry as an example. You do need to get your head checked, fast.Didn't you accuse me of being an Iowa PR guy. Man Cael needs to hire you ASAP. The way you spin I would like to see your pottery collection
You are literally spinning his words.
Your not even a good troll just an annoying one.
Technically, the reporter said she said she was in the sauna. Hearsay. I don’t think standards should be different in or out of court when people’s reputations are at stake.
Well the court of public opinion convicts people immediately most of the time regardless. I'm always innocent until proven guilty. I have noticed many here have now become innocent until proven guilty and weren't in the past. Hope they stay that way for cases outside of Happy Valley in the future as well
OK, conspiracy theory time. There's something about the Collegian article and the way everything has come down since that just doesn't feel right. Almost everything that was presented in the article would not stand up in court because of the rules of evidence. In addition, I did not see any mention by the author that the Collegian tried to contact Cael or the other coaches for their side of the story.
Consequently, I'm inclined to think the article is a deliberate hit job and it's directed more at the coaching staff than at Starocci. So the question is, why? Either it was a young journalist trying to make a name for himself at the expense of the careers of others or he had some financial incentive to do it. If a lawsuit is filed, it would be very interesting if during the period of discovery, someone found a large deposit in the author's checking account that originated from Slumlord Bob's bank.
Consequently, I'm inclined to think the article is a deliberate hit job and it's directed more at the coaching staff than at Starocci. So the question is, why? Either it was a young journalist trying to make a name for himself at the expense of the careers of others or he had some financial incentive to do it. If a lawsuit is filed, it would be very interesting if during the period of discovery, someone found a large deposit in the author's checking account that originated from Slumlord Bob's bank.
why would my wife or wife-to-be talk to Beau at all?
Does your wife know about your wife-to-be?
I hope not... but if she does I hope we are all introduced to each other at some point.
No, the Collegian article is weasel-worded and ambiguous as to source information it says sources will remain anonymous and aliases would be used to keep the accusers names unprinted. It never specifically states that the accusers are the source of the information printed (when it says, "she said" - it doesn't necessarily mean that she said it to The Collegian writer based on the way the story is written and sourced.). Additionally, I know the Wrestling Facilities have security, including secure doors and video as the story says that the Campus Police reviewed the security systems when they investigated BB's locker theft report - the police said they reviewed the secure entry information and video to see which wrestlers were in the building. The police could confirm that C* was in the building on the date and times referenced by BB (he specifically entered the building with Tyler Kasak - the police confirmed this by reviewing security systems) - but interestingly they closed their investigation without the charges BB wanted as they could find no confirming evidence of BB's believed perpetrator including that TK (who came in with C*) never saw C* even at BB's locker, let alone breaking into it.
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If we have to act according to court standards all the time, then half of us would already in contempt!
I said it was a hit piece immediately. And he's innocent until proven guilty. So you read the police report? Can you post a link to it I haven't read it yet
I couldn't the other day. Thought that was odd.
I noticed that some days later they had an article that put the PSU fencing coach in a negative light. I have no clue what's true or not. It just seems like the Collegian has decided to break big news on multiple PSU programs that the professional media has yet to pick up on.
Are we really supposed to believe that two living, breathing, conscious college athletes rode in anyone's trunk (in this case, the head coach's) for 3.5 hrs without being held at gunpoint?
And that the head coach brought his dog to that same tournament in Philly, and made his dog ride in the trunk with them?
Pics or it didn't happen.
Beau saying he went to coaches with complaints isn’t a big gotcha as he would not be privy to what meetings and discussions took place about it. I remain struck that a story about coaches not properly reporting assault at Penn State remains reported only by a 20ish year old student reporter for a college newspaper and not in pennlive, CDT and other places, especially when it won a Pulitzer Prize for a reporting 15 years ago. None of this means Beau’s experience of events is wrong; perhaps only his assertion that nothing was being done about it. And his version of the coaches saying we’ll support whatever you choose to do is strange; how is that not a show of support?
It was Beau's subjective interpretation of how he felt about the interaction, whether fair to Cael or not. Also, as the Head coach I'm sure Cael would not be thrilled to have one of his wrestlers implicate (assumedly) one of his star wrestlers in the theft, no matter if he supported Beau or not. At that point Cael may have just thought it was a prank gone overboard, theft committed by an outsider, etc. I am sure this whole ordeal must be extremely frustrating for all the coaches since they probably aren't allowed by the PSU Administration to make any statements (see Brantt's statement below):
Cael put together a massive statement addressing and refuting everything immediately after the Collegian article came out. The University would not sign off on releasing it which I'm sure did not sit well and continues not to sit well as these people are just taking free shots at him publicly. I will be pretty surprised if there are not lawsuits moving forward.
I don't know what is true or not at this point. I'll wait to see what shakes out. It does seem odd that other than the Collegian and Beau's wife that every other outlet is quiet.
What I do know is that I didn't like Beau trying to litigate this on social media right before he left. WEAK! His rambling, cryptic, and way too long post was embarrassing. Again, not saying what he wrote wasn't true. Just not the proper venue to air all of this.
What I do know is that I didn't like Beau trying to litigate this on social media right before he left. WEAK! His rambling, cryptic, and way too long post was embarrassing. Again, not saying what he wrote wasn't true. Just not the proper venue to air all of this.
So this is more The National Inquirer level reporting than an actual newspaper. Not that responsible and ethical journalism exists anymore.
I'm wondering how the writer got the contacts for the SA accusers. The article doesn't say they knew Syd, but based on her other efforts here I'm guessing that she tracked them down and provided their info to the Collegian. If she does know who they are then she's likely pushing them to press charges.
I'm sure the Collegian got some grief from Mr. Hall because the article shows the anonymous teammate is now named "Oliver" instead of "Mark". I guess "Accuser #1" or "Teammate A" wouldn't convey enough emotion.
I'm sure the Collegian got some grief from Mr. Hall because the article shows the anonymous teammate is now named "Oliver" instead of "Mark". I guess "Accuser #1" or "Teammate A" wouldn't convey enough emotion.
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Not that I know of. It was posted by Brantt on 247 and several people on here seem to agree that Brantt has some insider access to the PSU program.
That was definitely a poor choice by the author. It brought unnecessary speculation when, like you said, he could have just labeled them as you did.
I'm having a hard time understanding Cael's loyalty to Carter. We've all had a bad moment and I can understand giving a guy a second chance. However Carter's actions were more than one bad night. As a coach eventually you have make the team aware that there will be consequences for bad decisions.
Nobody really knows what Cael knew or didn't know or what he did or didn't do and no one knows what Carter actually did.
To the contrary, I’m guessing the 20ish year old student-reporter had no idea the team has had wrestlers named Mark. I literally believe he’s that uninformed.
Yup.
It’s INCONCEIVABLE that anyone knows anything. Just like nobody knows how to build an iPhone. Nobody knows how come I even have an iPhone. I think I woke up one day, and there was an iPhone in my hand. But I don’t know. Nobody knows.It is what it is, I guess.
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