Dallas cops under attack
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I'm not defending Hitler or Nazi Germany, you're just implying that I am. I enjoy history and WWII is one of my favorite subjects.
At least two million non-German foreigners and ethnic minorities served in Hitler’s armed forces at one point or another. Without foreign and non-German help, the Germans never would have had their Western defenses prepared in time for the Allied invasion. Hitler’s Wehrmacht-Waffen SS combination was the most culturally, ethnically, and religiously diverse military force in Western history.
At least two million non-German foreigners and ethnic minorities served in Hitler’s armed forces at one point or another. Without foreign and non-German help, the Germans never would have had their Western defenses prepared in time for the Allied invasion. Hitler’s Wehrmacht-Waffen SS combination was the most culturally, ethnically, and religiously diverse military force in Western history.
@Pope John Wall II Careful, you might educate some people on history. All that matters is that ignorant white folk adopted the swastika and made it their symbol, therefor Nazi German had to be ALL white.
I work in a f___ing museum, it's my job to know **** like this.
I thought police killed every black man with a gun?
That dumbass was saying to the media that the cops were treating him unfairly by thinking he might be involved. Dude, you brought a rifle to a rally where cops were getting shot. Pretty sure you're going to be a suspect at first.
Yeah no matter what color he was. White, black, red, yellow, indigo, burnt Siena, alien green.
But he did the right thing turning it over and clearing himself ASAP.
Don't you dare try to incriminate burnt sienna, that color is a saint.
Seriously, ANYTHING you won't blame Obama for. He can't reach into your body and give these people a heart and a conscience. He's tried to talk about race and bridge the divide more than any other President. Most Presidents don't even acknowledge it, which in hindsight is what he should have done. Oh but of course we'd be hearing about WHY DOESN'T OBAMA SAY SOMETHING!!
He got more black votes in 2012 than 2008 and saved him in some key states, thus staying in power. So he met his goals. He chose to immediately make Sharpton his go to for race relations and included him in all the key meetings. The DNC even brokered with Comcast to get him is MSNBC show.
I'm quite familiar with WWII history. Hitler used the Grand Mufti to recruit Caucus Muslims. Still not sure how having a diverse army makes someone/something not racist.
Being able to override your racism in the face of practical concerns doesn't really change anything at all
Read quotes from Obama. Compare the quotes from the shootings by officers to those against officers. The man stays silent until it fits his agenda. Can you honestly say he has done anything to bring the country together? Are race relations better now than they were before he took office?
Case in point - Two cops shoot black man = Racial issue
Black guy shoots white cops = Gonna have to wait for more information on the motive.
Do you really think he will mention this being a racial shooting?
You're taking way too much of an issue about me stating that Hitler wasn't a good example to use in terms of racism against blacks: what the original post was about. I should've made that clearer, my mistake.
Ever been to Sienna? You'll know where they got the color name.
Anything I won't blame him for? Good assumptioms...typical liberal defense. Considering I'm libertarian I virtually agree with all social issues. Yet uniformed low information voters like yourself don't see the bigger picture. Blacks have been voting Democrat for ever...have they ever fixed anything for them? Their solution is, like I said, to just keep throwing regulation and government, and blow tax payer money on social programs...THAT NEVER WORK. Tell me one time democrats haven't smothered something with government, in say detroit, bc "it will make things better", only to ruin every other thing around. Actually that's a trick question, liberals only see things at face value, so you've never realized the ripple effects of things your doing "bc they just can't help it".
Obama has been atrocious at rave relations, and instead of finding people opportunity and building around small efficient government and growth...he as other democrats assumed it's just better to take tax money throw something ineffective out there..tell the herd do what I say anything else wont work, don't bring awareness about reality...and if it doesn't we'll just throw even more government on it. Stop telling people what they need to think and teach them how to.
I'm assuming you blindly agree with everything your party puts out.
If you are trying to reason with catdaddy and not just mocking him you are doing it wrong.
Agreed. When is he going to demand all these damn kids share the Molly and LSD?
Obviously these officers in Dallas were targeted for their profession, and it was a horrible, horrible crime. But it's just absolutely false to state that it's "open season" on cops or that there's some emerging crisis. The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund tracks officer deaths, and there has not been an increase in officers dying in the line of duty. 123 last year, 122 in 2014, 109 in 2013, 131 in 2012, 171 in 2011. Before 2013 you have to go back to 1959 to see fewer officers killed in the line of duty than there were last year.
http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/year.html
No he hasn't tried to bridge the divide and that's the problem.
Just to provide a little insight on statistics on how they can be misinterpreted. I visited the link kindly provided by @ganner918
One would think officer fatalaties would be one of a few things...not the case.
http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.html
So with that said and the cause of deaths shown, wouldn't it be wise not to take statistics for ANY cause at face value?
One would think officer fatalaties would be one of a few things...not the case.
http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.html
So with that said and the cause of deaths shown, wouldn't it be wise not to take statistics for ANY cause at face value?
It's absolutely appalling to see DOZENS of social media warriors go apeshit because a borderline criminal was killed when cops apprehended him.. yet go silent when 5x as many cops were killed in cold blood, while trying to protect other citizens and curb the riot.
Not only can they not tell the difference, but they don't seem to care.. like the latter is somehow justified.
Anyone who takes up with that mentality really needs to off themselves.
Not only can they not tell the difference, but they don't seem to care.. like the latter is somehow justified.
Anyone who takes up with that mentality really needs to off themselves.
Right, there are a wide variety of ways that police die, with Auto Accidents and Shootings collectively making up about 2/3 of the causes. 2015 causes aren't yet listed but 2014 saw the 3rd fewest shooting deaths of the past decade, and 2015 had almost exactly the same number of total deaths as 2014, so it's likely fairly close in individual cause numbers as well.
Correct, and the causes of death vary widely as well. The point I was attempting to make is that you can't take statistics at face value no matter what side of this you are on. Each side will throw out their numbers, but you HAVE to dig deeper to find the truth. Face value is worthless and emotion drivin, and the media LOVES to get peoples emotions flowing, it's a ratings based program after all.
There's a difference between outrage and shock and horror. Outrage comes from a lack of (or perception of a lack of) justice. That's what triggers "going apeshit" when people are killed by police. A perception of a lack of justice. It's a very, very different situation with what happened last night. I was shocked, saddened, left pretty damn speechless at least at first last night seeing this happening. And the attacker is now dead. I'm still sad, I'm still shocked. I don't know who or what I'm supposed to shouting at, considering the ******* who did this is dead. Violence like this is appalling, can't ever be excused. But there's no target of outrage over lack of justice. Just a deep sadness that this is how someone chose to express their anger.
I remember a jogger being shot in the back by a couple of black youths and the media was telling us before the body was cold that it was NOT racially motivated. It was just a regular ole senseless killing.
Here is the story, without the picture you would have no clue as to the race of the animal that pulled the trigger. In fact, the word "race" doesn't appear one time in the story. Why? Although the story doesn't mention it, only that he was from Australia, the victim was indeed a white guy.
Some people see through the media ruse, some do not.
Here is the story, without the picture you would have no clue as to the race of the animal that pulled the trigger. In fact, the word "race" doesn't appear one time in the story. Why? Although the story doesn't mention it, only that he was from Australia, the victim was indeed a white guy.
Some people see through the media ruse, some do not.
You're such a hypocrite. His words are definitely creating a divide. But you won't acknowledge it.. but by God ..whites have been keeping you down with their hate speech Hibbity hooblah
Not saying you're apart of this group at all, but...
Doesn't matter what you call it.. doesn't matter if the accused is dead or not. For millions of people to moan, scream and shout.. about a one-off criminal who was killed after waving a gun and not complying with the officers.. and then not even speak on killing COMPLETELY innocent police officers.. 5x as many.. while they tried to keep the peace, even protect innocent bystanders.. is 100% unacceptable, and speaks to the agendas and true motives of that group.
F those people.. F them right in the A..
So you don't think there is reason to be alarmed or think what happened last night in Dallas is out of the ordinary?
3 other incidents today. Good call.
Last night was absolutely alarming and out of the ordinary. That's kind of the point I was making... this isn't typical, this isn't part of some broader "war on cops" which is the narrative some people have been pushing since before this happened. Until now, there absolutely has not been an increase in danger to police.
It happened again today in Tennessee. Black male inspired by Dallas shot police and a female bystander. All of his victims were white.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-07-08-14-54-28
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Then something's happening now. Then that's a problem, that's something that somehow must be stopped. But people have been saying for over a year that it's been happening and it simply doesn't bear out.
If that's so, he's factually incorrect. Post-hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. It was already happening before at the same rate as in the last couple years (higher, really in the past than the last couple of years) but people start attributing it to something without any validity. It's a simple fact. In the last two years cops didn't fact any greater danger than is typical, no matter who may have said otherwise. Yesterday and today's outburst doesn't change that fact.
Kentucky and Tennessee are both considering "Blue Lives Matter" bills that would make targeting of first responders a hate crime.
http://www.fox10tv.com/story/32320385/new-bill-to-make-it-a-hate-crime-to-target-first-responders
http://www.fox10tv.com/story/32320385/new-bill-to-make-it-a-hate-crime-to-target-first-responders
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