Dan Wetzel on Syracuse Chancellor Response

preacherfan

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I love Dan Wetzel. This article is excellent but what struck me was the fact that the NCAA has tried to implement more self-policing policies. For example, they pulled out of UNC*** and let them completely investigate themselves. Yet, it is becoming increasingly clear that the universities are more interested in protecting their sports than in finding the truth and dealing with it.

"At this point, that's boilerplate stuff: Admit you made some mistakes, defend the head coach (as long as he's been successful), blame rogues, vow to do better and mostly play the victim card while crying about the unfair NCAA. Pretty much every school does it."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/syracuse-chancellor-laughably-misses-mark-with-response-to-ncaa-scandal-211915015-ncaab.html
 

BoulderCat_rivals187983

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Letting schools police themselves is not a very good idea. That's kind of like having laws without police to enforce them. If your going to produce a giant book full of regulations there has to be some oversight. Just look what a school put on a pedestal for decades did. .
 

Dutycat

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NCAA enforcement = that flashing speed limit sign they put on the side of the highway that uses a radar gun to remind people they are speeding. Universities can regulate themselves as long as we give them a reminder ever so often.

Others?
 

TriangleUKCat

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The self-policing thing brings inconsistency. NCAA is (recently) all about "no precedents...every situation is different". It's like walking up to a couple of cops in a convenience store and asking "What would happen if I stole these doughnuts right now in front of you?"

Cops: "Go ahead. You may feel guilty and punish yourself in some way but you won't know what we will do. Might be good with the way you handled penalized yourself mentally or we might throw the book at you. Who knows???!?! Isn't this fun?"

Terrible.
 

JPScott

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We planned to enforce our 1952 death penalty (sic) by asking NCAA members to cancel games with Kentucky. That proved unnecessary because of developments that today I remember as courageous acts seldom repeated by later generations of university officials. It happened in a drab meeting room in Chicago's Sherman Hotel, where the NCAA Membership Committee, then the organization's judicial body, met to decide the Kentucky case. The unexpected happened.

Kentucky representatives, A.D. (Ab) Kirwan and Leo Chamberlain, did not cover up. They didn't need high-powered attorneys to speak for them. Unlike SMU officials three decades later, they didn't attack the 'system' or the NCAA. They stood before the committee and the NCAA Council telling the truth as they knew it.


Ab Kirwan later became my good friend and an outstanding chairman of the NCAA Infractions Committee. He served the University of Kentucky at various times as a history professor, head football coach, and acting president. To me he represented the best attitudes of chivalry and intellectual pursuit.


I telephoned Ab and Leo Chamberlain in their hotel room to tell them first of our admiration for their openness and integrity, then of the committee's verdict: cancellation of all intercollegiate basketball at Kentucky for an entire year.


Ab later told me how he and Chamberlain packed their suitcases in stunned silence and entered a taxi for the ride to the train station. Shocked and struggling to recover his humor, Chamberlain turned to his companion and said: "If we hadn't been so forthright and made such a good impression, Ab, I wonder what the penalty would have been ?"

The above is from Walter Byers memoir of his time with the NCAA.

It is interesting to me that the above punishment was largely what cast Kentucky as a 'rogue' school in the NCAA's and many in the general public's eye, especially given Kentucky's decision to keep Adolph Rupp as their head coach.

And in many ways, Kentucky continues to pay for that decision in terms of public perception still to this day. Yet Kentucky was completely open and honest with the NCAA at the time, and still got slammed.

The NCAA's heavy-handed decision has ended up leading to what we see today in terms of schools not cooperating and stonewalling wherever possible.

It's also interesting that Byers himself admitted that he fully expected UK to appeal its decision and that it would be overturned, yet Kentucky went ahead and served the punishment without appeal.
 

BoulderCat_rivals187983

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Originally posted by Dutycat:


NCAA enforcement = that flashing speed limit sign they put on the side of the highway that uses a radar gun to remind people they are speeding. Universities can regulate themselves as long as we give them a reminder ever so often.


Others?
I don't know about where you live, but I'm always amazed at how many people that does cause to slow down. Almost like they think it's a photo/radar ticket rig which we also have plenty of. But then they usually just speed right back up. I suspect a lot of schools would behave the same way. They might pause to think about it, and then go ahead and do it anyway.
 

JPScott

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Originally posted by TriangleUKCat:
The self-policing thing brings inconsistency. NCAA is (recently) all about "no precedents...every situation is different". It's like walking up to a couple of cops in a convenience store and asking "What would happen if I stole these doughnuts right now in front of you?"

Cops: "Go ahead. You may feel guilty and punish yourself in some way but you won't know what we will do. Might be good with the way you handled penalized yourself mentally or we might throw the book at you. Who knows???!?! Isn't this fun?"

Terrible.
To me it'd be more like an acquaintance of yours constantly bragging that he gets free donuts because he's more 'virtuous'. After years of hearing this you go to the store with him and learn the truth. Instead of being rewarded for good deeds, you watch him steal a dozen donuts while a cop winks at him on the way out.

Then you see someone else try to steal one and he gets his hand cut off.

Then a chorus of the acquaintance's friends show up to berate and vilify the guy with the bleeding arm, while joyfully eating fresh donuts they just received from their buddy.

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I'll give you one guess as which one represents UNC, which one is the NCAA and which one is the national media.
 

KingOfBBN

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I get a kick out of the 'rogue' employee garbage. Yeah, the nobody that has nothing to gain is the mastermind of the cheating. It isn't the coach who's livelihood and legacy depend on the outcome of the games. What a joke. How much hush money did all of these people get?
 

LowCountryCat

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Originally posted by BoulderCat:

Originally posted by Dutycat:



NCAA enforcement = that flashing speed limit sign they put on the side of the highway that uses a radar gun to remind people they are speeding. Universities can regulate themselves as long as we give them a reminder ever so often.



Others?
I don't know about where you live, but I'm always amazed at how many people that does cause to slow down. Almost like they think it's a photo/radar ticket rig which we also have plenty of. But then they usually just speed right back up. I suspect a lot of schools would behave the same way. They might pause to think about it, and then go ahead and do it anyway.
Actually that sign is a trap - it's designed to reduce overall speeds. The radar gun records your speed while displaying it for you, and the data they accumulate from it is used to set the speed limit for that area, usually 10 mph below the average speed AFTER cars slow down upon seeing their speed.

So, when I see that sign these days, I floor it.
 

jameslee32

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Originally posted by JPScott:


Originally posted by TriangleUKCat:
The self-policing thing brings inconsistency. NCAA is (recently) all about "no precedents...every situation is different". It's like walking up to a couple of cops in a convenience store and asking "What would happen if I stole these doughnuts right now in front of you?"

Cops: "Go ahead. You may feel guilty and punish yourself in some way but you won't know what we will do. Might be good with the way you handled penalized yourself mentally or we might throw the book at you. Who knows???!?! Isn't this fun?"

Terrible.
To me it'd be more like an acquaintance of yours constantly bragging that he gets free donuts because he's more 'virtuous'. After years of hearing this you go to the store with him and learn the truth. Instead of being rewarded for good deeds, you watch him steal a dozen donuts while a cop winks at him on the way out.

Then you see someone else try to steal one and he gets his hand cut off.

Then a chorus of the acquaintance's friends show up to berate and vilify the guy with the bleeding arm, while joyfully eating fresh donuts they just received from their buddy.

----------------------

I'll give you one guess as which one represents UNC, which one is the NCAA and which one is the national media.


Nice analogy that paints as clear a picture as possible.

Although I must say, this decade of intercollegiate athletics is my favorite. It will hopefully be remembered as the era in which the institutions who trumpeted their integrity the loudest end up having the most reprehensible violations ever in the history of the NCAA.



Not that the mainstream media would ever mention it.
 

knotonalog

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Good post preacherfan, The stuff thats going on in college sports is ridiculous .And what is hllarious is the fact that some coaches wants a super conference and be monitored by themselves.LOL There is no reason for the violations that NC and Syracuse have been accused of to go this long. I believe its because so many are involved and don't want to rock the boat, in other words they accept cheating ..

The President and Board of Regents of these school had to have an inkling of what was going on. Its on their backs as much as the coaches in my opinion. The "winning, whatever it takes " policy is running rampart The "I didn't know" excuse has been used so much that is excepted by some. When are those who call the shots going to wake up, its destroying the sport JMHO