Wasn't he to be an early enrollee? Haven't seen anything about his signing financial aid papers. Anybody?
Danny Clark
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Every quarterback Stoops has signed at Kentucky has enrolled early. Danny Clark has said in several interviews that he will enroll for the spring semester.
Yes, if they complete their required class work they can graduate a semester early and enroll at their college. It's becoming a popular choice for college athletes, especially football players, because they can go thru spring practice.
Blue Shirt is already a thing. And so is EE, we've already got the jargon for it, no need to make it more confusing.
If you have met your state graduation requirements AND the NCAA initial eligibility a HS-er can enroll for the spring semester rather than wait until the fall.
FWIW, English is the only subject for which 4 years of study is required. Other than that 4th year of English, many HS students have effectively "graduated" from HS when they enter their senior year of HS.
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This is incorrect. Grayshirts enroll in August, a full year before their NCAA eligibility clock starts running, but aren't on scholarship and don't participate in any formal school athletic activities until their eligibility clock starts running the following year. Grayshirts are seldom used by SEC schools under the current conference rules because they can now be counted against a school's recruiting allotment during their inactive year. That takes away the advantage of grayshirting for the school. January enrollment applies to football. January enrollees begin school on scholarship in January for the spring semester, so they can participate in spring drills, which are a school athletic activity. But their NCAA eligibility clock starts running the following August/September. So they are participating in practices, on scholarship, a semester before their eligibility clock actually starts running. Every quarterback signed by Stoops at Kentucky has been a January enrollee, as Clark and Wood will be. Wood's injury will not change this. Wood will have limited participation in spring drills, including attending position classes and team meetings.
Let try this again. First an athlete's five year clock starts when they enroll in college. Doesn't matter if they are engaged in athletic activities or not. Next a grayshirt delays enrollment until the second semester. That's when their five year clock starts. A grayshirt counts against the next years allotment of initial counters per the NCAA 25 limit. However, if they sign a LOI the previous Feb they count against the SEC 25 LOI limit. It's the SEC 25 LOI limit that take away the advantage of grayshirting. An early enrollee's five year clock also start when the enroll in college.
See: http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/current/transfer-terms paragraph one
http://eligibilitycoach.com/2012/09/ncaa-five-year-clock-2/ paragraph two.
http://www.playyourgame.com/ncaa_eligibility_explained.html paragraph two
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http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...a-football-grayshirt-blueshirt-redshirt-rules
http://www.athleticscholarships.net/question/what-is-grey-shirting paragraph one
As recently as Mikhail Mabry and Trevard Lindley, Kentucky was using the grayshirt. Grayshirting goes back a long way in college football history. I was trying to describe the old grayshirt concept. You are quoting current rules. The rules were changed a couple years ago, and you are right about the current rules. There isn't much grayshirting anymore because it isn't an advantage anymore.
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If you have the means, read the ESPN Insider scout report on Danny. Since it's information that costs $ I won't post it but it's a nice report. As a teaser, "eerily similar to Dak Prescott."
I don't pay for ESPN insider, although I have considered it. Thing is, you don't really need to, because so much free information out there on public search engines. I have seen Danny Clark play once, and I have watched several publicly available tapes. Clark has a big body and a powerful arm. He can put the football anywhere you want in the secondary, with zip. He isn't always as accurate as you would like, but he is still just a kid. His mechanics are already pretty good, and it won't take much at all for Coach Hinshaw to clean him up. The kid is a leader, and he is driven to win. Potential wise, he is already far and away the best quarterback in Hinshaw's pipeline. By May, people will be screaming for Clark to start next year. But I think Clark redshirts in 2017, probably with Steve Johnson starting again if Johnson continues to improve over the spring. Will be interesting to see what Barker can do when finally healthy, but circumstances on our offense just do not favor Barker now. Johnson seems to know how to win, Barker hasn't shown it. Hoak is a good quarterback, but won't be able to hold off Clark. Wood can't stick at quarterback unless Hoak or Clark transfers. Williams is the only guy with a real chance to beat out Clark, and that will come down to development, accuracy, football IQ.
Wood is a competitor and a winner. The kid seems like a coach's dream, desirous to do whatever is asked. He also seems to be a leader. Hearing him speak, I don't count him out. But, if not a QB, he will be an asset somewhere on the field.
I think Hoak is going to be a starting QB in college. What little I have seen demonstrates a craftiness with skill. I am not counting him out.
The competition behind SJ is exciting.
I think Hoak is going to be a starting QB in college. What little I have seen demonstrates a craftiness with skill. I am not counting him out.
The competition behind SJ is exciting.
Everything you say is true. But a team only has 1 starting quarterback. I doubt anyone can beat out Steve Johnson in 2017. I doubt anyone can beat out Danny Clark after that, unless Jarren Williams can do it. Clark is really good. Walker Wood has a big heart, and I am rooting for him. But he isn't Danny Clark.
QBs are exciting but UK needs for these guys to develop and stay healthy. UK's had rotten luck injury wise with QBs in recent years, need that to turn.
Yes, we've not recently had this kind of QB depth. It's good to know we've got 5 scholly QBs on the roster.
I have seen Walker Wood play probably 7-8 times. Wood wants to play quarterback for Kentucky. A noble ambition for sure. A team only has 1 quarterback on the field at a time, so Wood needs to beat out Drew Barker, Gunnar Hoak, Danny Clark, maybe Jarren Williams. No knock on Wood, but Clark and Williams are really good quarterbacks with bigger bodies and stronger arms. Wood is a great kid, plays with lots of emotion. He is not Dickie Lyons. Dickie Lyons was all-SEC, then got drafted and played in the NFL. For Wood to reach that level, he will have to move to the defense and wait his turn in the secondary. Wood's activity this spring will probably be limited to meetings and gym. Then comes the redshirt, when Wood might quarterback the practice team (with Clark) and imitate other SEC quarterbacks during game preps. A year from now in 2018 spring practice will be when the actual decision gets made about offense or defense for Wood. I think he is a safety, maybe a really good 1 eventually.
It is certainly going to be fun to watch the growth of these QBs. Especially after the past few years. Go Cats!!
Snell is no threat to throw the ball and I don't know about Rose. At least having Wood back there may make teams prepare for the pass.
This is easy to explain if you understand basic strategy. The wildcat is a run set. When they line up in the wildcat, they do it to run the football. Kentucky runs the football out of the wildcat about 99 times out of 100. If they want to throw the football, they don't line up in the wildcat. Passing out of the wildcat is only done as a trick play, and only very rarely. So having a backup quarterback receive the snap in the wildcat is more or less like letting Snell receive the snap in a pro set. Pointless. If you want to make a future opponent prepare for your passing game, then you use your best quarterback as a passer out of a passing set and let it fly to your best receivers 30-40 times a game.
Dickie Lyons, Jr., was a 5-10 slot receiver, punt returner. He overachieved at Kentucky. Walker Wood is a bigger, better player with a higher ceiling. Better comp for Wood might be Calvin Harrison.
Good info and good links. For the more advanced I only have one addition. Grayshirts is a gray area and a recruit that is asked to grayshirt can do it one of 3 ways (2 depending on the conference/ school rules).
1. The most normal way is to delay enrollment for a semester (at UK that would mean enrolling in January instead of June/ August).
2. The player enrolls at a local school/ juco or other university, take classes (no more than 9 credits) that count towards the schools degree requirements.
3. The player enrolls at his school of commitment, pays his own way and takes no more than 9 credits. (This option depends on conference/ school rules).
The reason for taking no more than 9 credits in option 2. and 3. is that it's less than the 12 credits that NCAA considers a full courseload, so the player's NCAA clock doesn't start.
Dickie Lyons Jr was a 4.9 two star that had a lot of talent and maximized it with a lot of heart. I still have precise memories of his one TD catch that was both a great catch and a great job getting his foot down, as well as THE block in the LSU game.
But I didn't think he made the NFL, I thought injuries hampered him in tryouts and was blamed for him not making it, I would love to have you correct me, that would mean that UK put two last minute three stars, a two star JC, and a FOUR POINT NINE in the NFL from the same team.
Many athletes have big hearts. On our current team, Conrad, Benny, Bunchy, Jones are known for this. Dickie Lyons, Jr. was a small receiver who overachieved at Kentucky. He didn't make an NFL roster. The other poster was comparing Lyons, Jr. to Walker Wood. I just don't see that comp. Wood is bigger, stronger, more skilled, and plays a different position.
I'm talking about size and athletic tools. We all know that a player must prove himself.
Seen the catch Dicky made in back of end-zone versus Miss. State in Starkville. Bulldog fan behind our group said "that's the little player with the smart mouth"!
Dicky played for Holy Cross in New Orleans back when they were a annual power in Louisiana High School football. His coach at the time of his UK commitment said Dicky was the best special team player he ever coached! My high school teammate and friend after his Tulane playing days coached at Holy Cross till he was hired as head coach at Nicholls State.
Only seen sports news highlights of Walker Wood. Three grandsons of mine were athletes for LaFayette High and all think he has the smarts and body to play SEC football. Did hear him say Coach Gran and Hinshaw recruited him as a quarterback. Indicated he would enroll in January and hope to be able to practice in the Spring. Also said red-shirt status was okay with him. Given his demeanor given a red-shirt year he may play Wildcat position. Everything I've read and heard about this youngster I'm glad is is going to be a WILDCAT!
Dicky played for Holy Cross in New Orleans back when they were a annual power in Louisiana High School football. His coach at the time of his UK commitment said Dicky was the best special team player he ever coached! My high school teammate and friend after his Tulane playing days coached at Holy Cross till he was hired as head coach at Nicholls State.
Only seen sports news highlights of Walker Wood. Three grandsons of mine were athletes for LaFayette High and all think he has the smarts and body to play SEC football. Did hear him say Coach Gran and Hinshaw recruited him as a quarterback. Indicated he would enroll in January and hope to be able to practice in the Spring. Also said red-shirt status was okay with him. Given his demeanor given a red-shirt year he may play Wildcat position. Everything I've read and heard about this youngster I'm glad is is going to be a WILDCAT!
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From all the posts, it appears that it's going to be an exciting time for UK for the next few years. Our recruiting should continue to improve in the future, and it's very good at the present time, especially compared to the past.
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Danny Davis is going to be a really good QB!! Early enrolly or not, I'm happy to have I'm!! Very smart player and a competitor!
Walker Wood is also a player that will have his place and contribute.
Sad that a thread related to a kid that is committed to another school in our conference after being committed (married) to Stoops can get 5 pages of response's but we can't even stay on topic of the op and our future QB.
Walker Wood is also a player that will have his place and contribute.
Sad that a thread related to a kid that is committed to another school in our conference after being committed (married) to Stoops can get 5 pages of response's but we can't even stay on topic of the op and our future QB.