Dare I call it……PEAKING!!!!!!

[MSU158]

I got bored so

6 top 5:
Three 5th places, Two 4th places & a runner up is roughly 69.5 placement + advancement points +/- a little because of different paths to those places.

* I have the runner up in there because even though you said 6 top 5, I refuse to accept caliendo not making the finals would be anything but a "disappointment" for Hawkeye fans per his expectations.

Iowa's 9 AAs had 70 placement+advancement points.

From a placement and advancement standpoint what they did with 9 guys is essentially identical to what you drew as the absolute low bar with 6 top 5 AAs.

So I guess yes, they matched your bottom end expectations, almost exactly.

* Correct where my math is wrong as it gets tricky to start projecting the exact advancement points due to a myriad of different paths to those placements. I did the best I could based off what the average guy scored minus bonus for 5th or 4th.

Either way, one side is saying they didn't match your expectations at all, you're saying they exceeded your expectations. It would appear they matched exactly your lowest bar. As with most things on message boards, each side has a point and neither is willing to see the others. The fact this is a heated debate would tell me the season, as a whole, did not live up to expectation.

LMFAO, you literally twisted EVERYTHING to try to fit a narrative.

The bottom bar for 2 Finalists and 6 total AA's IS UNDENIABLY 4-8ths and 2-2nds. There is NO PARSING. That is the BOTTOM that fits, PERIOD.

The bottom bar for 6 top 5's is EXACTLY THAT, 6-5ths.

Without bonus 8th scores 5.5 points(2.5 for advancement and 3 for 8th). 2nd scores 16(4 for advancement and 12 for 2nd) and 5th scores 10(3 for advancement and 7 for 5th).

So first scenario is 16+16+5.5+5.5+5.5+5.5=54. Second scenario is 10+10+10+10+10+10=60. Either way they would either need 38.5 bonus, 32.5 bonus or the 4 other guys to make R12 which would be ONLY remove 8 points from the bonus needed.

Even if you want to take all the bonus points away from what Iowa ACTUALLY did, which is beyond disingenuous, since the entire point was what level of performance would be considered meeting the threshold, They still get 16, 13.5, 10, 10, 9, 9, 6.5, 2 and 2 from their 9 guys. They STILL scored 78. That is the EQUIVALENT of adding ONE MORE AA WHO WOULD HAVE TO BE A FINALIST to EITHER qualifying scenario.

What is more? 78, 60, or 54? If you can answer that honestly, this argument never should have happened and it is ONLY happening because I said I would back off if they didn't meet or exceed that threshold and because it is ME, they are trying everything they can to make that happen...

 

[Corby2]

I got bored so

6 top 5:
Three 5th places, Two 4th places & a runner up is roughly 69.5 placement + advancement points +/- a little because of different paths to those places.

* I have the runner up in there because even though you said 6 top 5, I refuse to accept caliendo not making the finals would be anything but a "disappointment" for Hawkeye fans per his expectations.

Iowa's 9 AAs had 70 placement+advancement points.

From a placement and advancement standpoint what they did with 9 guys is essentially identical to what you drew as the absolute low bar with 6 top 5 AAs.

So I guess yes, they matched your bottom end expectations, almost exactly.

* Correct where my math is wrong as it gets tricky to start projecting the exact advancement points due to a myriad of different paths to those placements. I did the best I could based off what the average guy scored minus bonus for 5th or 4th.

Either way, one side is saying they didn't match your expectations at all, you're saying they exceeded your expectations. It would appear they matched exactly your lowest bar. As with most things on message boards, each side has a point and neither is willing to see the others. The fact this is a heated debate would tell me the season, as a whole, did not live up to expectation.

Iowa had 7AA not 9.

 

[Misalorales]

Iowa had 7AA not 9.

Ya but they sent 9 guys. Ohhhh I see. Ya I meant to type 9 guys, 7 AAs. My bad

 

[Misalorales]

LMFAO, you literally twisted EVERYTHING to try to fit a narrative.

The bottom bar for 2 Finalists and 6 total AA's IS UNDENIABLY 4-8ths and 2-2nds. There is NO PARSING. That is the BOTTOM that fits, PERIOD.

The bottom bar for 6 top 5's is EXACTLY THAT, 6-5ths.

Without bonus 8th scores 5.5 points(2.5 for advancement and 3 for 8th). 2nd scores 16(4 for advancement and 12 for 2nd) and 5th scores 10(3 for advancement and 7 for 5th).

So first scenario is 16+16+5.5+5.5+5.5+5.5=54. Second scenario is 10+10+10+10+10+10=60. Either way they would either need 38.5 bonus, 32.5 bonus or the 4 other guys to make R12 which would be ONLY remove 8 points from the bonus needed.

Even if you want to take all the bonus points away from what Iowa ACTUALLY did, which is beyond disingenuous, since the entire point was what level of performance would be considered meeting the threshold, They still get 16, 13.5, 10, 10, 9, 9, 6.5, 2 and 2 from their 9 guys. They STILL scored 78. That is the EQUIVALENT of adding ONE MORE AA WHO WOULD HAVE TO BE A FINALIST to EITHER qualifying scenario.

What is more? 78, 60, or 54? If you can answer that honestly, this argument never should have happened and it is ONLY happening because I said I would back off if they didn't meet or exceed that threshold and because it is ME, they are trying everything they can to make that happen...

Buddy, I didn't twist **** because I don't have an opinion either way. I wasn't trying to prove you wrong or prove them wrong. I was trying to provide context to the argument. Settle down now.

*Also, when reading the whole 6 top 5 AA thing I didn't think you literally meant 6 5th place finishes. I don't think anyone would've been happy with 6 5th places. My bad?

 

[Misalorales]

LMFAO, you literally twisted EVERYTHING to try to fit a narrative.

The bottom bar for 2 Finalists and 6 total AA's IS UNDENIABLY 4-8ths and 2-2nds. There is NO PARSING. That is the BOTTOM that fits, PERIOD.

The bottom bar for 6 top 5's is EXACTLY THAT, 6-5ths.

Without bonus 8th scores 5.5 points(2.5 for advancement and 3 for 8th). 2nd scores 16(4 for advancement and 12 for 2nd) and 5th scores 10(3 for advancement and 7 for 5th).

So first scenario is 16+16+5.5+5.5+5.5+5.5=54. Second scenario is 10+10+10+10+10+10=60. Either way they would either need 38.5 bonus, 32.5 bonus or the 4 other guys to make R12 which would be ONLY remove 8 points from the bonus needed.

Even if you want to take all the bonus points away from what Iowa ACTUALLY did, which is beyond disingenuous, since the entire point was what level of performance would be considered meeting the threshold, They still get 16, 13.5, 10, 10, 9, 9, 6.5, 2 and 2 from their 9 guys. They STILL scored 78. That is the EQUIVALENT of adding ONE MORE AA WHO WOULD HAVE TO BE A FINALIST to EITHER qualifying scenario.

What is more? 78, 60, or 54? If you can answer that honestly, this argument never should have happened and it is ONLY happening because I said I would back off if they didn't meet or exceed that threshold and because it is ME, they are trying everything they can to make that happen...

You've got quite the complex man. Not every single poster is trying to argue with you.

 

[MSU158]

Buddy, I didn't twist **** because I don't have an opinion either way. I wasn't trying to prove you wrong or prove them wrong. I was trying to provide context to the argument. Settle down now.

Ok, your "context" is fine on the outside of this debate. They took 4th. So, in the end, three other 3 teams beat them, 2 VERY handily. My argument isn't that this was some masterful performance on the grand scheme. It was simply that they did WAAY better than those I argued with all season were saying they would and they even did CONSIDERABLY better that the bar I set.

Compared to PSU and even OkState, they are absolutely far behind. I fully accept that. That isn't my argument. However, that doesn't mean that 7 AA's and 2 R12's is NOT a very good performance. As I have said before, that performance would have actually won NCAA"s in plenty of other seasons...

 

[Misalorales]

Ok, your "context" is fine on the outside of this debate. They took 4th. So, in the end, three other 3 teams beat them, 2 VERY handily. My argument isn't that this was some masterful performance on the grand scheme. It was simply that they did WAAY better than those I argued with all season were saying they would and they even did CONSIDERABLY better that the bar I set.

Compared to PSU and even OkState, they are absolutely far behind. I fully accept that. That isn't my argument. However, that doesn't mean that 7 AA's and 2 R12's is NOT a very good performance. As I have said before, that performance would have actually won NCAA"s in plenty of other seasons...

I agree that it was a good performance. I also am not a Hawkeye fan so it's easy for me to look from the outside and say that. Part of wonders, if a majority of a fanbase views a performance as disappointing, does it not mean it was disappointing? It can be good for the team and the coaches and bad for the fans. I'm looking at it from a fan perspective. Either way, my overarching point on this topic is that if this debate has to happen, something went wrong in the first place.

* Also, you're going to lose your mind next year on this very same topic if this year has been so rough lol.

 

[MSU158]

You've got quite the complex man. Not every single poster is trying to argue with you.

Aren't you the one that called Arnold "sawed off"? Or, is there someone else that conveniently posts on here with a very similar name? Sorry if I assumed badly of you if you are completely innocent, but you did reply to me and came up with math that I most certainly question in a way that most certainly diminishes my responses...

 

[LIV4GOD]

see post #205. Also, how annoyed are you? Attemps is actually spelled attempts. Just looking our for ya, bro!

Thanks for the correction but I do know how it is spelled. BTW, you misspelled "out."

As I said, I am no more annoyed than when I watch a dog crap in the neighbor's yard.

 

[Misalorales]

Aren't you the one that called Arnold "sawed off"? Or, is there someone else that conveniently posts on here with a very similar name? Sorry if I assumed badly of you if you are completely innocent, but you did reply to me and came up with math that I most certainly question in a way that most certainly diminishes my responses...

No I definitely did not say that. That was likely Lisa morales lol. My math was just using advancement and placement points? I tried using actual results to estimate how many points a particular finish would get minus bonus. I referenced guys who took that place and looked at their points and subtracted their bonus to estimate a normal point total for a given place. With the difference in paths you can take it's sorta hard to nail down precisely. At least for me, an amateur lmao I can reference my numbers better later but I'm not around my notes currently.

I've done my best to not be negative or degrading to anyone from any school, save maybe AJ Ferrari and when other teams guys stall miserably.(I'm human) I'm sure there is a bad post towards him from me. You could search through old comments, if you're a sadist, but I mostly just try to relay stats and rational thoughts from an outsides view point who genuinely would like to see Iowa thrive while PSU and ok state thrive. That's what would be the best for wrestling.

I lurked for years. It's how I got schedule info, scoring info and just general wrestling info. I created an account when everything migrated to on3 as I thought it'd be a good time to start with everyone else who transferred over. I always laughed at the absurdity of Lisa morales so I swapped the first letters of their name for my handle.

 

[MSU158]

Thanks for the correction but I do know how it is spelled. BTW, you misspelled "out."

As I said, I am no more annoyed than when I watch a dog crap in the neighbor's yard.

You caught that, huh? I guess you DO read my posts closer than you said. Go figure….

 

[Tiltman]

@MSU158 I hope you’re some sort of defense lawyer or something similar cause my god if you’re not you missed your calling! You would’ve made mega money; prosecutors would’ve just dropped all charges if they saw they had to argue against you all day.

 

[Hawkeye54545]

I just read this entire thread. I feel like I deserve a drink.

So we peaked. Is that the flex some think it is? When your peak is a shaky 4th I'm not sure we want to puff that chest out. With this roster next year peaking could be even worse.

 

[whejoe]

I just read this entire thread. I feel like I deserve a drink.

So we peaked. Is that the flex some think it is? When your peak is a shaky 4th I'm not sure we want to puff that chest out. With this roster next year peaking could be even worse.

Did you read post 205 though?

 

[LIV4GOD]

You caught that, huh? I guess you DO read my posts closer than you said. Go figure….

Nice try, but you've used your go-to move of moving the goal posts.

'I didn't say I didn't read your posts closer. I said I read about 1% of what you post.

And this is very true. Once I see the rant start, I check out.

 

[Random4598375]

I just read this entire thread. I feel like I deserve a drink.

So we peaked. Is that the flex some think it is? When your peak is a shaky 4th I'm not sure we want to puff that chest out. With this roster next year peaking could be even worse.

The dual season this year was a just a scam to set the bar low enough that coming in 4th, 90 points behind PSU, with no champs and one finalist could be seen as "peaking". LOL.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

Please oh please, is there a Mod somewhere who can just delete this whole thread. PLEASE!

 

[MSU158]

Please oh please, is there a Mod somewhere who can just delete this whole thread. PLEASE!

You don’t care about all the hard work I put into this season, culminating with such an incredible thread? Shame on you!

Some may even say I…..PEAKED at just the right time!!

 

[kingstown]

@MSU158 I hope you’re some sort of defense lawyer or something similar cause my god if you’re not you missed your calling! You would’ve made mega money; prosecutors would’ve just dropped all charges if they saw they had to argue against you all day.