Darkside Ranking, 2015, Vol. 5

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

Sometimes it rains....

Things have been a little crazy at the JCHILLTOPPERS abode...hopefully, better late than never?

Tonight, you get just the straight dope, very little on analysis:

DSR ballot: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KiGY31b5ZDh-ukLFIpcC26AE4lL5z68Ho28KTUUHfGk/edit


9.90 (NR) Brother Rice:

A very nice win over caravan. Maybe we were too harsh on Rice after their loss to LA? After all, the game was away, the bus got into a crash, and some kids just finished taking ing the ACT? In any case, a historic all-level sweep of MC brings them back into the mix. RIce becomes the first one loss team in the DSR this season (28-0 to LA).​

9.70 (NR) Naperville Central:

NC also back in the mix. The DVC is all messed up. The panel could not ignore a dominating performance against previously undefeated Batavia. NC becomes the second one loss team in the DSR this season (15-14 to WV) in the DSR this week...not the last....see below.​

9.40 (8.73) HC:

HC becomes the third one loss team in the DSR this season..aye aye aye. The DS did not really punish HC for the loss at all. We projected them to loss...so it all makes sense. THe loss was an 11 pointer to a highly touted GW team, at GW, and wherein GW scored in the closing marks of the game. An interesting hurdle for HC this week, neighborhood rival HS...who interestingly scored more points (albeit some againt the gw subs) against GW than did HC? Trap game?​

7.90 (7.91) OPRF:

Apparently, we like OPRF slightly better this week than last. I think it's more of a other teams moved back situation. OPRF is coming off a less then inspiring win against oprf, and is a little banged up, too. They visit douchon (SP?) this week to play GW...can they lose by less than 11. Where the hell are the OPRF fans, anyway?​

-- notice the jumps in rank averages:

5.90 (5.18) Bronco:

Thanks much in part to poster MCHS, Flyer, and MS...Bronco falls a bit this week. The SoS somehow gets weaker and weaker every week...weird. This week they get an inspired Saint Francis team that has an interesting history with Bronco, to say the least. If you follow edgy HOF'er and Bronco-fan wasssup, wassup is looking for a loss this week so Bronco enters 7a with a loss as a character builder...i don't buy it wassup. Last hurdle for Bronco.​

5.20 (6.55): Libertyville:

A nice little leap forward for Libertyville. Really nobody left on the schedule that should challenge them...if they do...probably aurevoir...as the win over stevie is their only quality win and stevie is just a hot mess right now. Libertyville, commence the HFing or MSing, your choice.​

4.70 (5.27) JCA:

I predict a JCA wins by 1097 points. See thread JCA/NAZ: http://edgytim.forums.rivals.com/threads/naz-jca.4778/page-2#post-35336 Next.​

Notice the leap in ranking average (justified IMO)

2.80 (1.45) uh oh HF oh no:

Well, HF does not go start to end at #1...tough to do. Bottom line, the SOS is not there when weighed against the next two teams. But...HF gets LWE this week...not enough discussion on the board about this one, either. if HF Maine Souths LWE...maybe HF jumps nearer to one...LWE is not an easy out. Huge game!​

1.80 (3.36) GW:

Nice win, nice reward. Almost a 2 point jump in average. GW was tested for sure by a quality opponent. Now GW welcomes in OPRF. A win here, and GW at least for the time will have the two most meaningful wins in state to date (whether it ends up that way likely depends then on the OPRF HC game in week 9). A win has to vault them to one, even a one pointer in 500 overtimes.​

errrr what....

1.80 (2.09) LA:

Um, a tie at #1? Only in the DS! To date, LA has the best win, in shutting out Rice. Next challenge comes in week 9...Assuming they win, the question for the #1 spot in all likelihood is which team had the better wins: LA with a win over Rice and MC; or GW with wins over HC and OPRF....or i suppose OPRF with wins over GW and HC....or...God Bless: JCA with wins over Naz, and losses by OPRF, GW, and HF


as always, and this time more than ever, please excuse any grammar and spelling mistakes.

Rambler, you are up.​

 

[GEPreps]

A few slight WSS corrections.

OPRF had an uninspiring win against York last week. OPRF v LT is not until week 8.

Hinsdale South has a very nice offense, but the score was 43-17 in the 4th when GW pulled their starters and HS scored two more TDs. All the HC scoring was against the starting GW defense.

Also, GW is on the turf @ OPRF this Friday night.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

A few slight WSC corrections.

OPRF had an uninspiring win against York last week. OPRF v LT is not until week 8.

Hinsdale South has a very nice offense, but the score was 43-17 in the 4th when GW pulled their starters and HS scored two more TDs. All the HC scoring was against the starting GW defense.

Damn max preps for the score. Freudian on the other. Thanks gw

 

[mchsalumni]

Montini better not be in 7A this year! As always @JCHILLTOPPERS, excellent work. A telling week ahead. I see big shifts (potentially) in the DSR, and I'm feeling pretty justified for my #1 ranking of GW.

 

[Bwm57]

I think you will have to look for the OPRF fans over on the wrestling board.
Never any shortage over there.

 

[pjjp]

I'll give Ramblin some additional ammunition. My approach this week was to take a step back and rank what I believe to be the top 10 teams based on results and perceived talent. We now have 6 weeks of results to consider, which is a good amount of actual data.

I think Phillips may have top 10 talent. They just don't have the SOS to be included in the top 10, IMO. If LWE beats H-F and Naz beats JCA, they both may be in my top 10 next week. NV is knocking on the door. The DVC schedule is extremely difficult. It's clearly the deepest conference. There just aren't any gimme games like CCL crossovers etc. When that's the case, it's very difficult to run through that schedule undefeated. Was very impressed with Huntley against C-G, but the turnovers against Jacobs are a concern. Barrington is good, but I don't think they have the speed in the skills that they had last year.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

I cant help but laugh thinking about ramblr seeing a tie at 1.8

 

[mchsalumni]

I cant help but laugh thinking about ramblr seeing a tie at 1.8

He's crafting his manifesto right now, guaranteed.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

LA won 28-0 not 35. Wilmette : the place good teams go to die ie PC '14 MC '13 rice'15. Current projections today Rice is in 8A title game

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

You know what frosts me the most in this week’s DSR? I’ll give you three guesses.

No, it’s not Bones moving Libertyville from unranked to #3 after their 20 pt win over their fifth opponent with a current losing record. No, it’s not gooms having only three teams separating his 6-0 #6 and his 5-1 #10 team even though the #6 team thoroughly dominated and dismantled his #10 by a score of 28-0 just 24 days ago. No, it’s not the almost total abandonment of Phillips despite their 6-0 record and facing only one team with a current losing record.

What frosts me the most is how you all have fallen into this tight little DSR pack this week. With the notable exception of gooms who obviously marches to the beat of a different drummer (more on that later), it looks very much like you are looking at each other’s votes before submitting your own votes. Six of you have the exact same teams in your top ten. Eight of you have the exact same teams in your top three. Four of you have the exact same top four – in order!

I don’t really suspect any voting shenanigans, but I gotta tell ya that this similar voting pattern just doesn’t pass the smell test for me. In other words, it stinks. It stinks not like collusion, but more like the fetid stench of conformity and predictability.

That’s why I’m going to give a shout out to my guy gooms for being a breath of clean, fresh air and for continuing to thumb his nose at convention and conformity. You go, gooms! When it comes to DSR voting, gooms lives by the old adage that holds that the well beaten path is not always the right road. Indeed, it’s obvious that gooms prefers to take the road less traveled.

In a week when so many DSR voters were in synch with each other, gooms can lay claim to being the only DSR voter to give Huntley a vote. Not a #10 vote or a #9 vote, but a lofty #8 for this lone Huntley Raiders vote. In a week where seven DSR voters moved Loyola from #2 last week to #1 this week, gooms was completely nonplussed by the glitz and glamor of Hollywood. He avoided the well beaten path to Ramblerville as if it were the road to perdition! Ever the trailblazer, gooms decided that LA’s 31-7 victory over CCL Blue foe (and çurrent defending 7A state champ) Providence Catholic this past weekend was sufficiently underwhelming enough to cause him to move Loyola down from #5 to #6. Were it not for gooms and his gloom and doom Rambler vote, the Ramblers would be in sole possession of the top spot in the DSR.

Therefore, for the rankings that have him all alone on several different limbs, for steadfastly avoiding the crowd and choosing loneliness over conformity, and by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Universitatus Committeatum E Pluribus Unum, I hereby confer the inaugural Gilbert O’Sullivan Alone Again (Naturally) Award to….[drumroll]….gooms!

Congratulations, gooms, on this high honor.

Final rant…

A number of you have chosen to reward HC for their so-called “quality loss” to GW. I don’t have any problem with that concept in general, but I do think it has been misapplied in this particular case.

Take JCHILL, for example. Last week, JCHILL had HC at #9. This week, he moved them up to #5 in his rankings. Now, if HC had been at #5 last week, and they had a quality loss this past weekend, I can see perhaps not dropping them down and leaving them at #5. USD did just that, leaving HC unchanged at #10. I’m okay with that concept in general but, again, not in this specific case.

I know I sound like a broken record regarding SOS, but who the hell has HC played to merit a #5 DSR ranking, or even a #10 ranking for that matter? GW is ONE of SIX teams that HC has played, and the other five all have losing records. Two-thirds of the way through the regular season, and you are rushing to line up behind a team without a single quality win. You are like a bunch of junior high boys doing stupid **** in an effort to impress the girl with the biggest chest, but little do you know that she stuffs her bra! Come on, guys, does SOS mean anything anymore around here? You are quick to pay it lip service…and then completely ignore it when you want to hop on the bandwagon of the week.

Last weekend, HC lost the only game it has played against a team with a winning record so far this year. And for that you want to reward them? With as high as a #5 ranking??? Great Odin’s raven! Take out the game with GW (which HC lost) and their opponents’ combined 2015 record is a pathetic 8-22. Leave GW in the mix and that pathetic record improves to a miserable 14-22 record.

And don’t waste your keystrokes trying to sell me on how good HC has looked in their five wins over losing teams. That really rings hollow after a while. Any average team will look good beating the likes of Proviso West and a bunch of other squads with losing records. Two weekends ago, HC running clocked PW 48-7. Impressive, you say? Relative to what? Good God, even historically very uncompetitive teams are salivating over HC’s opponents. Last weekend, Proviso East notched their first (and what will likely be their only) win of 2015 in a 20-0 shutout over PW to keep PW winless this season. Kinda puts HC's 48-7 win over PW in perspective, dontcha think? MC beat DGS, but Morton (1-5) came within 10 pts of DGS (2-4) at DGS. DGS lost last weekend against Leyden (3-3). HC beat DGN, but Lockport (1-5) came within 7 pts of DGN (2-4). Hey, since you are all so into quality losses this week, would that be a quality loss for the Porters?

If HC’s first 5 wins had been against even marginally more competitive programs, and then they lost a good game to GW in week 6, I would feel differently. But that’s not even close to being the case here.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

He's crafting his manifesto right now, guaranteed.

I've had it written since early Tuesday morning.

 

[BretEpic]

You know what frosts me the most in this week’s DSR?

What frosts me the most is how you all have fallen into this tight little DSR pack this week. With the notable exception of gooms who obviously marches to the beat of a different drummer (more on that later), it looks very much like you are looking at each other’s votes before submitting your own votes. Six of you have the exact same teams in your top ten. Eight of you have the exact same teams in your top three. Four of you have the exact same top four – in order!

I look only at the email I send JCHILL the week before, and the exact scores of games if necessary. I don't open the spreadsheet until DSR is posted.

 

[godfthr53]

I look only at the email I send JCHILL the week before, and the exact scores of games if necessary. I don't open the spreadsheet until DSR is posted.

I look at my previous email. Scores of all teams in top 20 ish. Send my email and then look at the spreadsheet to see if I was off compared to other guys or in the ballpark.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

I'll give Ramblin some additional ammunition. My approach this week was to take a step back and rank what I believe to be the top 10 teams based on results and perceived talent.

As opposed to, what, your usual approach of throwing darts on a map?

I think Phillips may have top 10 talent. They just don't have the SOS to be included in the top 10,

So far this year, all Phillips has done is thrashed a 3-3 ESCC team and a 3-3 CCL Green team, decisively defeated arguably the toughest or second toughest CPL team, and achieved running clock shutouts over their other three opponents, only one of which has a losing record.

The DVC schedule is extremely difficult. It's clearly the deepest conference. There just aren't any gimme games like CCL crossovers etc.

What do you call this week's matchup between WV and 1-5 Aurora East, whose only win this year came against a school one-sixth Aurora East's size called Noble/DRW Trading?

 

[mchsalumni]

I've had it written since early Tuesday morning.

I see what you did there.

 

[mchsalumni]

The DVC schedule is extremely difficult. It's clearly the deepest conference. There just aren't any gimme games like CCL crossovers etc.

I disagree here. I think the DVC is just down (again) this year. Maybe 1 semifinal team, and that's a maybe.

 

[pjjp]

As opposed to, what, your usual approach of throwing darts on a map?

One of the things I've learned since jumping into this ranking game is that the easy way out is to look where you had teams ranked the previous week, then adjust accordingly based on the current week's results. The problem with that is it leads to near-sighted rankings. In other words, if a team is not ranked properly the previous week, they are not properly adjusted based on the totality of their accomplishments, since the voter is only considering the current week's result. For instance, I actually took some of your previous critiques regarding H-F to heart and looked at their overall season. I didn't just look at their Week 6 44-6 win over Joliet West. IMO, both Loyola and GBW deserved to be ranked ahead of them based on the full year's results (and still factoring in the subjective nature of roster evaluation). Therefore, I dropped H-F from #1 to #3 this week.

What do you call this week's matchup between WV and 1-5 Aurora East, whose only win this year came against a school one-sixth Aurora East's size called Noble/DRW Trading?

I call that an outlier. Look at some of the non-con games the DVC has played. WN vs. JCA. NC vs. Batavia. It's also the result of the agreement between the DVC and Upstate 8 to play each other. WV drew a less than-challenging-matchup by the luck of the draw. Also, the DVC only has one non-con game on each team's schedule, so a weak non-con game is not as impactful. At this point, the bottom DVC team is Nap. North. They are 0-6. One of those losses is to 5-1 Sandburg by 7 points. Not bad for the last place team eh?

 

[pjjp]

I disagree here. I think the DVC is just down (again) this year. Maybe 1 semifinal team, and that's a maybe.

You could be right. We shall see how it plays out in the playoffs. I suspect teams like NV and GBN could do very well, depending on their draw.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

You know what frosts me the most in this week’s DSR? I’ll give you three guesses.

No, it’s not Bones moving Libertyville from unranked to #3 after their 20 pt win over their fifth opponent with a current losing record. No, it’s not gooms having only three teams separating his 6-0 #6 and his 5-1 #10 team even though the #6 team thoroughly dominated and dismantled his #10 by a score of 28-0 just 24 days ago. No, it’s not the almost total abandonment of Phillips despite their 6-0 record and facing only one team with a current losing record.

What frosts me the most is how you all have fallen into this tight little DSR pack this week. With the notable exception of gooms who obviously marches to the beat of a different drummer (more on that later), it looks very much like you are looking at each other’s votes before submitting your own votes. Six of you have the exact same teams in your top ten. Eight of you have the exact same teams in your top three. Four of you have the exact same top four – in order!

I don’t really suspect any voting shenanigans, but I gotta tell ya that this similar voting pattern just doesn’t pass the smell test for me. In other words, it stinks. It stinks not like collusion, but more like the fetid stench of conformity and predictability.

That’s why I’m going to give a shout out to my guy gooms for being a breath of clean, fresh air and for continuing to thumb his nose at convention and conformity. You go, gooms! When it comes to DSR voting, gooms lives by the old adage that holds that the well beaten path is not always the right road. Indeed, it’s obvious that gooms prefers to take the road less traveled.

In a week when so many DSR voters were in synch with each other, gooms can lay claim to being the only DSR voter to give Huntley a vote. Not a #10 vote or a #9 vote, but a lofty #8 for this lone Huntley Raiders vote. In a week where seven DSR voters moved Loyola from #2 last week to #1 this week, gooms was completely nonplussed by the glitz and glamor of Hollywood. He avoided the well beaten path to Ramblerville as if it were the road to perdition! Ever the trailblazer, gooms decided that LA’s 31-7 victory over CCL Blue foe (and çurrent defending 7A state champ) Providence Catholic this past weekend was sufficiently underwhelming enough to cause him to move Loyola down from #5 to #6. Were it not for gooms and his gloom and doom Rambler vote, the Ramblers would be in sole possession of the top spot in the DSR.

Therefore, for the rankings that have him all alone on several different limbs, for steadfastly avoiding the crowd and choosing loneliness over conformity, and by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Universitatus Committeatum E Pluribus Unum, I hereby confer the inaugural Gilbert O’Sullivan Alone Again (Naturally) Award to….[drumroll]….gooms!

Congratulations, gooms, on this high honor.

Final rant…

A number of you have chosen to reward HC for their so-called “quality loss” to GW. I don’t have any problem with that concept in general, but I do think it has been misapplied in this particular case.

Take JCHILL, for example. Last week, JCHILL had HC at #9. This week, he moved them up to #5 in his rankings. Now, if HC had been at #5 last week, and they had a quality loss this past weekend, I can see perhaps not dropping them down and leaving them at #5. USD did just that, leaving HC unchanged at #10. I’m okay with that concept in general but, again, not in this specific case.

I know I sound like a broken record regarding SOS, but who the hell has HC played to merit a #5 DSR ranking, or even a #10 ranking for that matter? GW is ONE of SIX teams that HC has played, and the other five all have losing records. Two-thirds of the way through the regular season, and you are rushing to line up behind a team without a single quality win. You are like a bunch of junior high boys doing stupid **** in an effort to impress the girl with the biggest chest, but little do you know that she stuffs her bra! Come on, guys, does SOS mean anything anymore around here? You are quick to pay it lip service…and then completely ignore it when you want to hop on the bandwagon of the week.

Last weekend, HC lost the only game it has played against a team with a winning record so far this year. And for that you want to reward them? With as high as a #5 ranking??? Great Odin’s raven! Take out the game with GW (which HC lost) and their opponents’ combined 2015 record is a pathetic 8-22. Leave GW in the mix and that pathetic record improves to a miserable 14-22 record.

And don’t waste your keystrokes trying to sell me on how good HC has looked in their five wins over losing teams. That really rings hollow after a while. Any average team will look good beating the likes of Proviso West and a bunch of other squads with losing records. Two weekends ago, HC running clocked PW 48-7. Impressive, you say? Relative to what? Good God, even historically very uncompetitive teams are salivating over HC’s opponents. Last weekend, Proviso East notched their first (and what will likely be their only) win of 2015 in a 20-0 shutout over PW to keep PW winless this season. Kinda puts HC's 48-7 win over PW in perspective, dontcha think? MC beat DGS, but Morton (1-5) came within 10 pts of DGS (2-4) at DGS. DGS lost last weekend against Leyden (3-3). HC beat DGN, but Lockport (1-5) came within 7 pts of DGN (2-4). Hey, since you are all so into quality losses this week, would that be a quality loss for the Porters?

If HC’s first 5 wins had been against even marginally more competitive programs, and then they lost a good game to GW in week 6, I would feel differently. But that’s not even close to being the case here.

For me, honestly, this was one of the easiest weeks in whole. I'm assuming others saw things quite sim to me, which is why they seem a like.

1. LA - Have, IMO, the best win in state this year. Others are similar, but the shut out puts it over the top for me.

2. GW- Have IMO, the second best win in the state this season. Both of these teams have just one top tier win, not dissimilar to the remaining teams - and non-ranked teams.

3. HF-Stevenson's trouble and your counterpoint J from last week, coupled with GW's win this weekend cause them to fall. I simply cannot ignore the talent. They reamin a top team.

4. JCA - SoS is a tad softer than the above. But the bottom line is, I've seen a lot of JCA this year, and in past years, experience leads me to this spot. I feel comfortable about it.

5. I moved HC up to 5 last second (as you might have been able to tell from the rankings on the left relative to my picks). Interesting that you praise gooms for a variant, but criticize me. C'est la vie, that is why I hired you. IMO, they simply have the best loss in state this season. If GW is one or two, and HC was one play away from winning on the road...against a traditionally very stout defensive team....they cannot be too far from GW at this point.

6. Libertyville. - this was the toughest once for me this week. Really, their SoS is not very good. I was very impressed with what I saw from lees, and am confident he can cary this team far. They are undefeated and look the part. IMO, if I'm off anywhere (not marginally) with my rankings, it's here.

7. Bronco - would have liked to put them higher, but cannot find a spot. Their SoS is not what it appeared to be and I do not see a superstar on their team like in years past. That said, I think they win 6a in the end.

8. NC - I happen to agree with mchs that the DVC is down. NC's one loss is by one point and a down dvc is still a very good conference and one that now does not allow for mistakes. it might not have the best team in it, but it is the most even throughout...what is that word for that again? damn.

9. OPRF...with the injuries im concerned for them this coming week. they lose a bit because of the close win this week. a close win is worth it though if they spent the week preparing for GW, which I bet they did and is what I would have done.

10. Rice. Very impressive. Tough loss to my #1 team. Biggest concern for me is their defense. they are the only team in the dsr that has a PA above 70 I think...and they are somewhere in the 160 range.


that's a big piece of how my rankings came together. that an video and a little comparing schedules.

when you talk about sos of a particular team, remember, you have to compare that team to other team's sos. you can't just say their sos is soft, so they should no be ranked that way, when almost every other team is in the same boat. very few teams this season have more than one win against a ranked team.

out ....for now.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

can u imagine trying to determine the 4th team in a 4 team IHSA/BCS playoff right now? Order differs but top 3 teams would be LA,HF,GW imagine the spirited debate on 4th team.

 

[mchsalumni]

8. NC - I happen to agree with mchs that the DVC is down. NC's one loss is by one point and a down dvc is still a very good conference and one that now does not allow for mistakes. it might not have the best team in it, but it is the most even throughout...what is that word for that again? damn.

NFL style parity. Or just mediocre. Baffling.

 

[pjjp]

One other point regarding the DVC: when evaluating the relative strength of a conference, the natural tendency is to look to the top. That seems to be the main criticism of the DVC. While I don't necessarily agree that the top is not strong, let's say those who question the strength at the top are right. However, move past that. Look at the overall strength of the middle to bottom of the conference. With the possible exception of NN (who did play 5-1 Sandburg tough in losing by 7), there simply is not an easy game in that conference. How does that impact all the teams? A team cannot rest players or hold them out for minor injuries in any given week. Also, if a team is not mentally prepared for each game, one of the supposed lesser teams in the conference is more than capable of winning. There simply is no other conference that comes close to the depth of the teams in the DVC.

 

[GEPreps]

9. OPRF...with the injuries I'm concerned for them this coming week.

Who is injured on OPRF?

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

I call that an outlier. Look at some of the non-con games the DVC has played. WN vs. JCA. NC vs. Batavia. It's also the result of the agreement between the DVC and Upstate 8 to play each other. WV drew a less than-challenging-matchup by the luck of the draw. Also, the DVC only has one non-con game on each team's schedule, so a weak non-con game is not as impactful. At this point, the bottom DVC team is Nap. North. They are 0-6. One of those losses is to 5-1 Sandburg by 7 points. Not bad for the last place team eh?

In a previous post, you referenced the DVC and said, "It's clearly the deepest conference. There just aren't any gimme games like CCL crossovers etc".

You can make a point without resorting to absolutes. You could have changed the word "any" to "as many." Had you said that, I wouldn't have gone searching for a gimme game that you said didn't exist.

Furthermore, the DVC is a large conference. Members play 8 conference games, as you point out. What's the difference between GBW playing a winless NN and a CCL Blue team playing a gimme crossover game? Didn't your current #9 team play a "gimme" CCL crossover game two weeks ago and give up 35 points to a CCL White team in a shootout?

 

[pjjp]

I'll take the "any" versus "as many" under advisement. I agree on that point.

Not all CCL crossovers are gimme games (as it relates to the Blue). I've learned this week that St. Laurence is much better than I realized. Glad to hear that. I will still assert that "many if not most" are for the top of the CCL. Surely, you will not disagree with that point. Has there been a more outspoken critic over the years of the CCL crossovers than yourself?

 

[BretEpic]

You could be right. We shall see how it plays out in the playoffs. I suspect teams like NV and GBN could do very well, depending on their draw.

GBN always does well. Dat coaching...

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

5. I moved HC up to 5 last second (as you might have been able to tell from the rankings on the left relative to my picks). Interesting that you praise gooms for a variant, but criticize me. C'est la vie, that is why I hired you. IMO, they simply have the best loss in state this season. If GW is one or two, and HC was one play away from winning on the road...against a traditionally very stout defensive team....they cannot be too far from GW at this point.

My praise for gooms was primarily tongue in cheek and was prompted entirely by his moving Loyola down after their 24 pt victory at PC, for his irrational juxtaposition of LA and BR, and for his #8 vote of Huntley when no other voter voted for Huntley at all. We gotta petition edgy to add a tongue in cheek emoticon to the graphics menu..

I have no argument that HC has the best loss in the state this season. You are 100% spot on. Also 100% spot on is the fact that HC does not have a single win over a quality opponent this season.

10. Rice. Very impressive. Tough loss to my #1 team. Biggest concern for me is their defense. they are the only team in the dsr that has a PA above 70 I think...

Rice's PA are at 151 this week, 35 of which came in a CCL White crossover game.

when you talk about sos of a particular team, remember, you have to compare that team to other team's sos. you can't just say their sos is soft, so they should no be ranked that way, when almost every other team is in the same boat. very few teams this season have more than one win against a ranked team.

It's not enough for me to just say a team's SOS is soft? Now I have to find other teams to compare them against to further underscore the point? So you want my weekly DSR diatribes to be even longer? You want more verbosity?

I completely disagree that almost every other team is in the same boat with respect to SOS. LA's SOS this season is far and away better than H-F's. I'll take 5-1 LWE's SOS over 5-1 HC's SOS any day (and if you want to talk about a quality loss, how about LWE losing by 1 to OPRF, yet they received just one vote...a #10 ranking...this week ). And then there's Huntley. They are 6-0, and have beaten two previously undefeated teams in the last two weeks. One of those teams was C-G, a team that DOS had given a nod to in an earlier version of the DSR. The Raiders' opponents record is a combined 22-15. Compare that with the 14-22 combined record of HC's opponents. How's that for a comparison?

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

I'll take the "any" versus "as many" under advisement. I agree on that point.

Not all CCL crossovers are gimme games (as it relates to the Blue). I've learned this week that St. Laurence is much better than I realized. Glad to hear that. I will still assert that "many if not most" are for the top of the CCL. Surely, you will not disagree with that point.

I won't disagree with that point. Will you concede that many, if not most, games between top tier and bottom tier DVC teams are gimme games for the top tier DVC teams?

 

[pjjp]

I will concede that the top tier vs. bottom DVC games are "expected" wins. I wouldn't call them "gimme" games like: MC vs. Leo, Montini vs. St. Joe's etc. It's a question of degree. The level of mismatches in the DVC do not approach some of those CCL crossovers.

 

[NazDad]

Point of clarification. HC plays Lyons this week.

 

[Goomlah]

Ok Let's start with Loyola. They have 1 quality win so far, Rice in Wilmette. No one beats Loyola in Wilmette (see Providence last year and Mt. Carmel the year before) Before anyone gives me Maine South, Maine South should have lost to GBS, who gave up 55 points to 2-4 St. Pats in a loss.Oh yeah, and put a running clock on Iggy and Providence please. Please pretty please with a cherry on top stop with this Loyola craziness. Rice killed Mt. Carmel and a decent Crete-Monee team. Now they get to rest up before the playoffs.

GW has the best win so far this season. If they beat OPRF Friday (a game I'm going to ) It will be hard for me to not have GW #1 the rest of the year, unless HF blows out LWE, Sandburg, and Bolingbrook, who officially have played no one Since Stevie keeps losing.

Montini as a 5A school beat Maine South, ESL on the road and Rita. OK, this is not your father's Maine South ESL OR Rita but those wins to me are enough to put them at 3. When they beat St. Francis this week they'll go 9-0 and you'll thank me later.

Libertyville has beaten LF Stevie and LZ convincingly in consecutive weeks. OK granted LZ probably doesn't make the playoffs this year but I think Riley Lees is the real deal and will take Libertyville really far in 7A.

JCA and Naz I'll put together. I think Naz's loss to MCC was a fluke (see MCC's performances vs. JCA and ND the weeks after) and I actually think Naz beats JCA this week. Both teams have won significantly over everyone (minus the 2nd half in a rain soaked grass field) and will prove their worth the next few weeks. Oh yeah, and don't forget who had Naz ranked 2nd week 3,...

OPRF, Ok, this is the team I probably have too high. I just have a feeling they might do something special vs. GW this week. Might be wrong. HC played really well in a loss, but they did actually lose last time I checked, and they've beaten No one. That will change with Lyons HS and OPRF the next 3 weeks.

OK people, here's my Huntley reasoning: They beat LWC, a team they normally wouldn't beat. In consecutive weeks they beat previously undefeated Cary Grove AND Jacobs. That gets votes in any ranking. Oh yeah, and they play CLS this week whose only loss was MCC. I mean, just saying.

Phillips is a top 10 team, but they're best wins are a 3-3 Fenwick 3-3 Carmel and 4-2 Simeon. Okay,...

Barrington beat Conant. OK, beat Palatine and Fremd and then we'll get somewhere.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Ok Let's start with Loyola. They have 1 quality win so far, Rice in Wilmette. No one beats Loyola in Wilmette (see Providence last year and Mt. Carmel the year before) Before anyone gives me Maine South, Maine South should have lost to GBS, who gave up 55 points to 2-4 St. Pats in a loss.

If that's the way you feel about MS, then why do you refer to MS when justifying your Montini ranking? As I recall, MS went to Montini and lost to the Broncos by 3 pts. The following week, LA went to MS and beat the Hawks by 41. You like the Montini squeaker over MS, but you downplay the LA annihilation of the Hawks. Interesting logic. Keep that up, and I may have to swap out the Gilbert O'Sullivan Alone Again (Naturally) Award for the Supertramp Logical Song Award in the hopes that you find some logic.

Oh yeah, and put a running clock on Iggy and Providence please.

LA beat Iggy 35-7 after having allowed a TD late in the game. Why beat a dead horse? As for PC, Loyola won 31-7, with PC's only TD coming on a kick off return. Again, why beat a dead horse? Also, why hold LA to a different standard? JCA beat PC by a lesser margin than did the Ramblers.

Rice killed Mt. Carmel and a decent Crete-Monee team. Now they get to rest up before the playoffs.

Since when is beating someone by 17 pts equivalent to "killing" them? If Rice beating MC by 17 is killing them, what is the verb you would choose for Loyola shutting out your #10 team by 28? And, again, how can you justify ranking Rice at #10, and LA at #6 given the complete dominance of Loyola over Rice?

 

[krock the house]

Rice dominated Carmel in every aspect of the game. Rice gave them 7pts early on a turnover.

 

[RetiredReferee]

Ok Let's start with Loyola. They have 1 quality win so far, Rice in Wilmette. No one beats Loyola in Wilmette (see Providence last year and Mt. Carmel the year before) Before anyone gives me Maine South, Maine South should have lost to GBS, who gave up 55 points to 2-4 St. Pats in a loss.Oh yeah, and put a running clock on Iggy and Providence please. Please pretty please with a cherry on top stop with this Loyola craziness. Rice killed Mt. Carmel and a decent Crete-Monee team. Now they get to rest up before the playoffs.

GW has the best win so far this season. If they beat OPRF Friday (a game I'm going to ) It will be hard for me to not have GW #1 the rest of the year, unless HF blows out LWE, Sandburg, and Bolingbrook, who officially have played no one Since Stevie keeps losing.

Montini as a 5A school beat Maine South, ESL on the road and Rita. OK, this is not your father's Maine South ESL OR Rita but those wins to me are enough to put them at 3. When they beat St. Francis this week they'll go 9-0 and you'll thank me later.

Libertyville has beaten LF Stevie and LZ convincingly in consecutive weeks. OK granted LZ probably doesn't make the playoffs this year but I think Riley Lees is the real deal and will take Libertyville really far in 7A.

JCA and Naz I'll put together. I think Naz's loss to MCC was a fluke (see MCC's performances vs. JCA and ND the weeks after) and I actually think Naz beats JCA this week. Both teams have won significantly over everyone (minus the 2nd half in a rain soaked grass field) and will prove their worth the next few weeks. Oh yeah, and don't forget who had Naz ranked 2nd week 3,...

OPRF, Ok, this is the team I probably have too high. I just have a feeling they might do something special vs. GW this week. Might be wrong. HC played really well in a loss, but they did actually lose last time I checked, and they've beaten No one. That will change with Lyons HS and OPRF the next 3 weeks.

OK people, here's my Huntley reasoning: They beat LWC, a team they normally wouldn't beat. In consecutive weeks they beat previously undefeated Cary Grove AND Jacobs. That gets votes in any ranking. Oh yeah, and they play CLS this week whose only loss was MCC. I mean, just saying.

Phillips is a top 10 team, but they're best wins are a 3-3 Fenwick 3-3 Carmel and 4-2 Simeon. Okay,...

Barrington beat Conant. OK, beat Palatine and Fremd and then we'll get somewhere.

"They can't quote silence," Hundreds, including this one, IHSA referees.

 

[Goomlah]

Wait until the playoffs ramblinman when I am proven right or wrong. Right now it's a bunch of mindless talking.

 

[BretEpic]

Right now it's a bunch of mindless talking.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Wait until the playoffs ramblinman when I am proven right or wrong. Right now it's a bunch of mindless talking.

With all respect, gooms, the DSR is not about the playoffs. It's about right now.

 

[king murph]

Sometimes it rains....

Things have been a little crazy at the JCHILLTOPPERS abode...hopefully, better late than never?

Tonight, you get just the straight dope, very little on analysis:

DSR ballot: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KiGY31b5ZDh-ukLFIpcC26AE4lL5z68Ho28KTUUHfGk/edit


9.90 (NR) Brother Rice:

A very nice win over caravan. Maybe we were too harsh on Rice after their loss to LA? After all, the game was away, the bus got into a crash, and some kids just finished taking ing the ACT? In any case, a historic all-level sweep of MC brings them back into the mix. RIce becomes the first one loss team in the DSR this season (28-0 to LA).​

9.70 (NR) Naperville Central:

NC also back in the mix. The DVC is all messed up. The panel could not ignore a dominating performance against previously undefeated Batavia. NC becomes the second one loss team in the DSR this season (15-14 to WV) in the DSR this week...not the last....see below.​

9.40 (8.73) HC:

HC becomes the third one loss team in the DSR this season..aye aye aye. The DS did not really punish HC for the loss at all. We projected them to loss...so it all makes sense. THe loss was an 11 pointer to a highly touted GW team, at GW, and wherein GW scored in the closing marks of the game. An interesting hurdle for HC this week, neighborhood rival HS...who interestingly scored more points (albeit some againt the gw subs) against GW than did HC? Trap game?​

7.90 (7.91) OPRF:

Apparently, we like OPRF slightly better this week than last. I think it's more of a other teams moved back situation. OPRF is coming off a less then inspiring win against oprf, and is a little banged up, too. They visit douchon (SP?) this week to play GW...can they lose by less than 11. Where the hell are the OPRF fans, anyway?​

-- notice the jumps in rank averages:

5.90 (5.18) Bronco:

Thanks much in part to poster MCHS, Flyer, and MS...Bronco falls a bit this week. The SoS somehow gets weaker and weaker every week...weird. This week they get an inspired Saint Francis team that has an interesting history with Bronco, to say the least. If you follow edgy HOF'er and Bronco-fan wasssup, wassup is looking for a loss this week so Bronco enters 7a with a loss as a character builder...i don't buy it wassup. Last hurdle for Bronco.​

5.20 (6.55): Libertyville:

A nice little leap forward for Libertyville. Really nobody left on the schedule that should challenge them...if they do...probably aurevoir...as the win over stevie is their only quality win and stevie is just a hot mess right now. Libertyville, commence the HFing or MSing, your choice.​

4.70 (5.27) JCA:

I predict a JCA wins by 1097 points. See thread JCA/NAZ: http://edgytim.forums.rivals.com/threads/naz-jca.4778/page-2#post-35336 Next.​

Notice the leap in ranking average (justified IMO)

2.80 (1.45) uh oh HF oh no:

Well, HF does not go start to end at #1...tough to do. Bottom line, the SOS is not there when weighed against the next two teams. But...HF gets LWE this week...not enough discussion on the board about this one, either. if HF Maine Souths LWE...maybe HF jumps nearer to one...LWE is not an easy out. Huge game!​

1.80 (3.36) GW:

Nice win, nice reward. Almost a 2 point jump in average. GW was tested for sure by a quality opponent. Now GW welcomes in OPRF. A win here, and GW at least for the time will have the two most meaningful wins in state to date (whether it ends up that way likely depends then on the OPRF HC game in week 9). A win has to vault them to one, even a one pointer in 500 overtimes.​

errrr what....

1.80 (2.09) LA:

Um, a tie at #1? Only in the DS! To date, LA has the best win, in shutting out Rice. Next challenge comes in week 9...Assuming they win, the question for the #1 spot in all likelihood is which team had the better wins: LA with a win over Rice and MC; or GW with wins over HC and OPRF....or i suppose OPRF with wins over GW and HC....or...God Bless: JCA with wins over Naz, and losses by OPRF, GW, and HF


as always, and this time more than ever, please excuse any grammar and spelling mistakes.

Rambler, you are up.​

suck it fancy pansy fancy, ring a bell perhaps.

 

[Anon1754760634]

King Murph! You are alive!