DARKSIDE Rankings, 2015, Vol. 1

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

And here we go…

A little reminder of how this works. It’s not your average ranking system.

1. Rankings start post week 2. We take the initial two weeks to evaluate.
   
   
2. We really like the SOS, but it is not the be all end all.
   
   
3. A good loss might move you up, a bad win might move you down - it happens all the time in the DSR.
   
   
4. There are nine voters and one official dissenter (Rambler).
   
   
5. Each voter ranks their own top ten schools.
   
   
6. This is an important note: It is also easier to understand when looking at the rankings and how they play out rather than read the following: When a school gets a rank from one person, but not another that team gets a default rank of 12. If two people did not rank that school, the school gets a default of 12, and 13 ranks….nothing from three voters? 12, 13, 14…

Ranks are displayed as the team's average vote:

The link to the ballot:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...cC26AE4lL5z68Ho28KTUUHfGk/edit#gid=1263828911

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10.56 - Ron Goldman: Quags might be right. Maybe we are in love with Stevie from last season...or maybe we have to realize realize that 14 point loss to the unanimous number 1 this season ain't to shabby. I think the ten spot is about right. Let's see if Steve can put work on LZ this week. This game will tell us something.

9.89 - The People's Republic of Oak Park: The surprise entrant this week...but voters really liked that week 1 win over DSR favorite LW East. The deal with OPRF, their next big one is week 7 verse GBW. OPRF is gonna have to keep pouring it on to stay in...NAZ is chomping at the bit to get in...

8.33 - Lord of the Dance: Damn...well the board called this two years ago and here we are. The question is, is this the biggest Rice - LA game in the last 20 years? I think so. A big win by either could vault them to 1 or 2....could.

7.78 - RB High: The O and D line are spectacular - Spectacular! And, IMO, the Hill also have the most underrated RB in the state...why is noone talking about Michael Johnson? He's the next great RB from RB High!

6.56 - Blood Transfusion: Good God, you mean Bronco will be better this week than last they were last week? Bronco’s taking care of business….good riddance 5a ... This week’s game could be very interesting, for a lot of reasons. My question to Flyer, Bronco is a 5a team playing in 6a this season...is Flyer still happy to be in 7a having never beaten Bronco? I’m not being an ***, it’s a question worth pondering.


6.44 - Butch: IMO, the most interesting seed in the DSR this week. A one point win against a tough (not great) GBN in week 1 and another one score squeaker in week two vs NV. In two weeks NC gets 2-0 Waub Val, who beat GBN by seven last week (did you follow all that?)... NC’s sole motivation for that game should be remaining in the DSR!


3.89 - Lucas (Just not a better name): I think the gap between Lucas and NC (and teams above) is telling an appropriate. I think Rice has a shot to leap into the top tier with a good game against LA...i digress...call it how you want, a team not known for its offense dropped 50 on a touted HS.

3.78 - It's the Players' Fault: Damn, I love this week’s CCL Blue games: Rice/LA; MC/PC, and then Montini/Rita...back to the matter at hand. IMO, this is the game of the year for MC. Call that odd, but here is what I am thinking. If MC has a let down vs PC, MC might end up 6-3. In 8a, with proper rankings, that will make for a much tougher road to State for MC (which they are capable of winning). On the other hand, if MC does what it should with PC, at worst, MC is 7-2...more likely 8-1...both much better than 6-3 - much much much better. MC should work PC, but better not sleep on the Warrior in the backfield….just saying...MC's been here before with PC.

3.00 - LOL there was once a poster named MWHITMAN: Frankly, I did not see this coming. I did not anticipate LA having another top notch team - good - but maine southing maine south at maine south is just a weird sentence to write, great win aside...With PC and Rita down, this might be LA’s toughest game this season...easy MC guys...we have seven more weeks to see if that is true, but right now I’m wondering if MC has the defense to stop Rice...and wondering the same about LA?

1.00 Dallas Carter: At this point, HF was a no brainer and a consensus number 1 among the voters. Not sure they really get a test until week 9 when they meet a more mature brook team. Then again, with LWE’s coaches, I won't be the least bit surprised if LWE fights like hell to win that game. It's a few short weeks away.

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That's it...2015, Vol. 1 over and out...check the link for the ballot and fire away.

Snap analysis: I think Naz deserves a spot in the top ten and am rethinking my vote, but too late now. Rice/LA and WV/NC are huge...despite the results, all four may be in next week. The separation between the best 4 and the remaining 6 is a matter that needs emphasizing. There is a gap there.

As I always ask at the end of these, please excuse all errors of grammar and spelling. I type it and post it. this year was particularly challenging with a kid...aya.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

Note: there is some new blood this year (MW on a vacation in france) and one more voter next week....

 

[pjjp]

JCH....Naperville Central plays Metea Valley this week. They get Waubonsie in Week 4. Waubonsie plays Neuqua in Week 3. FYI.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

JCH....Naperville Central plays Metea Valley this week. They get Waubonsie in Week 4. Waubonsie plays Neuqua in Week 3. FYI.

like i said, a little tougher this year with a 20 week old! LOL as always, thank PJ...

no joke, earlier today dean reminded me that the the 2007 JC state champs were 6-4 the year before...he's weird.

 

[pjjp]

no joke, earlier today dean reminded me that the the 2007 JC state champs were 6-4 the year before...he's weird.

I just had a discussion regarding that fact with a fellow Hilltopper. The 2007 seniors were a monster class, but could not help the 2006 seniors {which included LB Kevin Rouse (D1 LB at Wisnconsin) and Coby Fleener (Stanford / Indy Colts)} avoid finishing with 4 losses, including two to Morris. It speaks to the importance of a solid senior class.

 

[Goomlah]

wait a minute, 1st of all how am I not a voter and 2nd of all why are we having a week 2 poll?

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

wait a minute, 1st of all how am I not a voter and 2nd of all why are we having a week 2 poll?

gooms i thought you were gone!

you are in next week

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Where do I begin? First of all, JCHILL, on the spreadsheet, what's the difference between WV and Waubonsie Valley? Should WV really be NV? All these valleys, I'm so confused...gag me with a spoon! Or perhaps West Virginia snuck into the DSR this week.

Moving from left to right across the spread we start with Bones. Bones has a thing for Stevie. He likes them so much that he ranks them at #3, despite the fact that five other pollsters didn't rank them at all. He likes them so much despite the fact that Stevie is 1-1, with a two point win over Palatine -- a team that isn't in anybody's rankings; not even Beth Long's. He likes them so much despite the fact that Stevie is giving up an average of 34 points a game through week 2. He also likes ESL. He likes them so much that he ranks them at #9, despite the fact that no other DSR voter saw fit to rank them at all.

That brings us to PJP. Despite the fact that no other DSR voter saw fit to rank WV (sic) at all, PJP likes the Mountaineers so much that he puts them at #8 in his rankings. .

JCH? Not a bad effort. Rice at #3 is a real outlier, though. Nobody else ranked them that high, and three voters didn't have them in their top 10.

DOS and USD are probably as close as anyone came to where I would have ranked the top ten.

Guerin, you know what I'm going to say. NC at 2? Based on a 1 point win over an 0-2 GBN and a one score home victory over NV? And, what is it you know about Waub Val that nobody else knows? Why 7 when nobody else thought they were good enough to crack their DSR?

Next up are my DSR Homers of the Week, godfather and epic. Not only did they both rank Naz higher than everybody else, but they also ranked Loyola lower than everybody else.

Newt gets the Lake County Homer of the Week award. Libertyville, Newt? Nobody else gave Libertyville a vote. L'ville has beaten up on two 0-2 teams. One of those apparently impressive wins came at the hands of the Caxys of LFA. You can fit five LFAs (student bodies, not acres) and maybe even a Ferry Hall inside of Libertyville HS.

 

[pjjp]

Ramblin....you were waiting to pounce eh? There is an error in JCH's approach, as you pointed out. WV on my sheet is Waubonsie Valley. So Guerin was not alone in ranking them. Why are they in the top 10? They have two quality wins, IMO. They beat Lake Park in Week 1 by 3 TD's. Lake Park beat WWS in week 2. WV also beat Glenbard North (a team who had lost by 1 to NC in week 1). WV has another tough game this week against NV. If they win, they stay in my top 10. If they lose, they're out.

 

[Goomlah]

I was not expecting a DSR for week 2 at all. Sorry :-(

 

[BretEpic]

Where do I begin?

Next up are my DSR Homers of the Week, godfather and epic. Not only did they both rank Naz higher than everybody else, but they also ranked Loyola lower than everybody else.

Dude, c'mon, I have Naz 9 - SAME AS USD. Loyola 5, one behind Guerin's pick. And one has nothing to do with the other. Nothing Homer about my picking, an nothing extreme.

You are always so mad, you should become a Naz fan, apparently we all overreact like you.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Dude, c'mon, I have Naz 9 - SAME AS USD. Loyola 5, one behind Guerin's pick. And one has nothing to do with the other. Nothing Homer about my picking, an nothing extreme.

You are always so mad, you should become a Naz fan, apparently we all overreact like you.

You are confusing being critical and snarky with being mad. I'm not mad.

Yes, you and USD have Naz at 9. I stand corrected. Boy, you sure cut me down to size with that one.

Nothing homer about your picking? Just a complete coincidence that you are a Naz guy and that only one other DSR voter gave Naz a higher rank than you did and he is also a Naz fan. Just a coincidence that the majority of DSR voters (none of whom are avowed Naz fans) chose not to rank Naz at all. Whatever.

 

[BretEpic]

You are confusing being critical and snarky with being mad. I'm not mad.

Yes, you and USD have Naz at 9. I stand corrected. Boy, you sure cut me down to size with that one.

Nothing homer about your picking? Just a complete coincidence that you are a Naz guy and that only one other DSR voter gave Naz a higher rank than you did and he is also a Naz fan. Just a coincidence that the majority of DSR voters (none of whom are avowed Naz fans) chose not to rank Naz at all. Whatever.

You're mad.

I am not the type to blindly pick Nazareth. I'm picking a team with as much as or more D1 talent than every team in the state, namely at playmaking positions (WR, RB) and on the lines (both ways be damned when you're a D1 kid), plus an experienced QB. Oh, they happen to be coached by a proven winner, including last season. Thus, the team also returns state champions on the field. That sounds like a 9-10 ranked team in Illinois, sorry.

Do I think Nazareth is near Loyola, no. I see a big drop off after 6-7 range. Yet that's not even what we're taking...

You are rustled regarding Loyola, and somehow tied it to my pick of the aforementioned loaded Nazareth team @ ninth... I cannot figure your "snark", but it definitely comes out when someone, somehow slights the Jesuits.

But again, come, join us easily offended and homerish Naz fans, you are just our type.

Where is my man @MWittman, please corral this Blue man.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

You're mad.

You are rustled regarding Loyola, and somehow tied it to my pick of the aforementioned loaded Nazareth team @ ninth... I cannot figure your "snark", but it definitely comes out when someone, somehow slights the Jesuits.
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You are assigning far more weight to an offhand comment about Loyola than you should. The Loyola comment was secondary to the homer comment. I made the Loyola comment to point out the fact that the two Naz-related DSR voters ranked Loyola low relative to where most of the other DSR posters had the Ramblers..

You are homers of the week for no other reason than because the two of you ranked Naz when most other DSR voters did not. You may think that is 100% coincidental, but I think a dose of healthy skepticism is in order. You, in particular, are a homer of the week because the only other person to rank Naz higher than you was another Naz homer. You may think that is 100% coincidental but, after a while, the coincidences start to add up, ya know?

 

[redmen85]

I believe we have a new award!

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we are proud to announce this week's Edgy Tim/DSR Homer of the Week"!

We may have something here.

 

[BretEpic]

You are assigning far more weight to an offhand comment about Loyola than you should. The Loyola comment was secondary to the homer comment. I made the Loyola comment to point out the fact that the two Naz-related DSR voters ranked Loyola low relative to where most of the other DSR posters had the Ramblers..

You are homers of the week for no other reason than because the two of you ranked Naz when most other DSR voters did not. You may think that is 100% coincidental, but I think a dose of healthy skepticism is in order. You, in particular, are a homer of the week because the only other person to rank Naz higher than you was another Naz homer. You may think that is 100% coincidental but, after a while, the coincidences start to add up, ya know?

And you are assigning way too much to a ninth place vote in the DSR... Is Bones an East Lou Homer? Heck, he's the only voter with them top ten. What about those two loathsome WV voters?

And once again, regarding this, "You, in particular, are a homer of the week because the only other person to rank Naz higher than you was another Naz homer. " No, just no. USD has the same darn ranking. The man exists, you can't ignore him. Your coincidence is a farse, USD has the same ranking. Heck, Dean is only one behind us...

You are making a point on something that is very similar to several situations in the voting. It's not a coincidence if it didn't frigging happen more than once, and in several similar circumstances...

 

[BretEpic]

And might I add, Edgy has them sixth in his poll. That damn homer...

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

And you are assigning way too much to a ninth place vote in the DSR... Is Bones an East Lou Homer? Heck, he's the only voter with them top ten. What about those two loathsome WV voters?

And once again, regarding this, "You, in particular, are a homer of the week because the only other person to rank Naz higher than you was another Naz homer. " No, just no. USD has the same darn ranking. The man exists, you can't ignore him. Your coincidence is a farse, USD has the same ranking. Heck, Dean is only one behind us...

You are making a point on something that is very similar to several situations in the voting. It's not a coincidence if it didn't frigging happen more than once, and in several similar circumstances...

What is it about the word "homer" that you don't understand?

How can Bones be a homer if he is the only one who has ESL in the rankings? If he were the only one with Bolingbrook in the rankings, then he would be a homer. Being the only one with ESL in the rankings makes him an outlier, not a homer.

How can Edgy be a homer with Naz at 6 if he is not a Naz guy?

Sure, USD has the same darn ranking. But, he's not a Naz guy. Hence, he's not a homer.

nd, what do you mean "No, just no."? No, what, that I can't call you out because USD has the same darn ranking of Naz as you? Sorry, but the fact that one other guy has the SAME ranking as you does not mean that what I said was incorrect. What I said was that ONLY ONE OTHER PERSON ranked Naz higher than you. Did USD rank Naz higher than you? No. Just no. The fact that USD and you were the same does not negate what I said.

You are trying to defend yourself against the claim of homerism by claiming that your and USD's similar vote is your saving grace. Problem is, USD is not a Naz guy. You are.

 

[BretEpic]

What is it about the word "homer" that you don't understand?

How can Bones be a homer if he is the only one who has ESL in the rankings? If he were the only one with Bolingbrook in the rankings, then he would be a homer. Being the only one with ESL in the rankings makes him an outlier, not a homer.

How can Edgy be a homer with Naz at 6 if he is not a Naz guy?

Sure, USD has the same darn ranking. But, he's not a Naz guy. Hence, he's not a homer.

nd, what do you mean "No, just no."? No, what, that I can't call you out because USD has the same darn ranking of Naz as you? Sorry, but the fact that one other guy has the SAME ranking as you does not mean that what I said was incorrect. What I said was that ONLY ONE OTHER PERSON ranked Naz higher than you. Did USD rank Naz higher than you? No. Just no. The fact that USD and you were the same does not negate what I said.

You are trying to defend yourself against the claim of homerism by claiming that your and USD's similar vote is your saving grace. Problem is, USD is not a Naz guy. You are.

So just to get you straight, I have to rank Naz lower than other people (USD and Edgy), or else it's homer?

IF I made some outlandish ranking, it would be a homer pick. No, I have a reasonable ranking.

Homerism requires something above and beyond the norm, not just affiliation.

I cannot believe I am arguing this with you...

 

[BretEpic]

My point is my ranking is nothing extraordinary. There is no insane boost I gave Nazareth. I have them on par with two non-Naz people, in fact worse than Edgy. To be a "homer" requires me to place them above where others rank them... I didn't.

Just because I am a Nazareth fan doesn't make it a homer pick. It's within reason, and the scope of others. You in fact don't know what homerism means, not me.

 

[NazDad]

I believe we have a new award!

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we are proud to announce this week's Edgy Tim/DSR Homer of the Week"!

We may have something here.

I like the award. Question: Do all DSR voters have to declare an allegiance(s) to keep the Homer records accurate?

 

[belviderebucs11]

How do you become a DSR voter? Just curious

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

Where do I begin? First of all, JCHILL, on the spreadsheet, what's the difference between WV and Waubonsie Valley? Should WV really be NV? All these valleys, I'm so confused...gag me with a spoon! Or perhaps West Virginia snuck into the DSR this week.

Moving from left to right across the spread we start with Bones. Bones has a thing for Stevie. He likes them so much that he ranks them at #3, despite the fact that five other pollsters didn't rank them at all. He likes them so much despite the fact that Stevie is 1-1, with a two point win over Palatine -- a team that isn't in anybody's rankings; not even Beth Long's. He likes them so much despite the fact that Stevie is giving up an average of 34 points a game through week 2. He also likes ESL. He likes them so much that he ranks them at #9, despite the fact that no other DSR voter saw fit to rank them at all.

That brings us to PJP. Despite the fact that no other DSR voter saw fit to rank WV (sic) at all, PJP likes the Mountaineers so much that he puts them at #8 in his rankings. .

JCH? Not a bad effort. Rice at #3 is a real outlier, though. Nobody else ranked them that high, and three voters didn't have them in their top 10.

DOS and USD are probably as close as anyone came to where I would have ranked the top ten.

Guerin, you know what I'm going to say. NC at 2? Based on a 1 point win over an 0-2 GBN and a one score home victory over NV? And, what is it you know about Waub Val that nobody else knows? Why 7 when nobody else thought they were good enough to crack their DSR?

Next up are my DSR Homers of the Week, godfather and epic. Not only did they both rank Naz higher than everybody else, but they also ranked Loyola lower than everybody else.

Newt gets the Lake County Homer of the Week award. Libertyville, Newt? Nobody else gave Libertyville a vote. L'ville has beaten up on two 0-2 teams. One of those apparently impressive wins came at the hands of the Caxys of LFA. You can fit five LFAs (student bodies, not acres) and maybe even a Ferry Hall inside of Libertyville HS.

thanks for the WV waub V identification. corrected. no substantive change resulted.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

Love coming home from work to see a lively thread.

1. Epic is on the panel because years of edgytim action have resulted in him becoming a subject matter expert in the matter of high school football. I would not have epic as a full time member if i thought him a homer.

2. Sometimes the way things were out, you (the hypothetical you) are just a homer. Ramblr makes a valid point about how edgy can't be a homer for naz etc, but ramblr loses a point because he kept pretending USD did not exist...but then i lost a point with the WV mess up. None of us are perfect. I'm a JCA homer...proud of that as well.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

My point is my ranking is nothing extraordinary. There is no insane boost I gave Nazareth. I have them on par with two non-Naz people, in fact worse than Edgy. To be a "homer" requires me to place them above where others rank them... I didn't.

Just because I am a Nazareth fan doesn't make it a homer pick. It's within reason, and the scope of others. You in fact don't know what homerism means, not me.

I'm not claiming you gave Naz an insane boost. I am claiming that you exhibited homerism in your ranking.

Fact: You are a Naz fan.
Fact: You gave Naz it's second highest ranking of all the DSR voters.

"To be a 'homer' requires me to place them above where others rank them... I didn't."

Fact: Of the remaining eight DSR voters in addition to yourself, you gave Naz the same or better ranking than seven of them.

 

[jwarigaku]

JC,

Living in and paying taxes in IPSD district 204 should allow me to comment on NV, WV, and MV; which are all acceptable designations within the district and for your DSR purposes. 1 point awarded back to you!

Love coming home from work to see a lively thread.

1. Epic is on the panel because years of edgytim action have resulted in him becoming a subject matter expert in the matter of high school football. I would not have epic as a full time member if i thought him a homer.

2. Sometimes the way things were out, you (the hypothetical you) are just a homer. Ramblr makes a valid point about how edgy can't be a homer for naz etc, but ramblr loses a point because he kept pretending USD did not exist...but then i lost a point with the WV mess up. None of us are perfect. I'm a JCA homer...proud of that as well.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

Where do I begin? First of all, JCHILL, on the spreadsheet, what's the difference between WV and Waubonsie Valley? Should WV really be NV? All these valleys, I'm so confused...gag me with a spoon! Or perhaps West Virginia snuck into the DSR this week.
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JCH? Not a bad effort. Rice at #3 is a real outlier, though. Nobody else ranked them that high, and three voters didn't have them in their top 10.

.

certainly i realized rice at 3 would be an outlier. i am comfortable with it. I think LA beats Rice in a close game...and in which case, i keep rice at 3 despite the loss.

What turned rice into a 3 for me was that we saw this rice team coming. for a few years now on edgy, those in the know were waiting for this to materialize...it's the real bartlett freshmen scenario.

IMO, when you can see something getting good, and then see it materializing that way, there must be depth behind it. I think this rice team has what it takes.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Love coming home from work to see a lively thread.

1. Epic is on the panel because years of edgytim action have resulted in him becoming a subject matter expert in the matter of high school football. I would not have epic as a full time member if i thought him a homer.

2. Sometimes the way things were out, you (the hypothetical you) are just a homer. Ramblr makes a valid point about how edgy can't be a homer for naz etc, but ramblr loses a point because he kept pretending USD did not exist...but then i lost a point with the WV mess up. None of us are perfect. I'm a JCA homer...proud of that as well.

You all need to lighten up. Like it or not, I view my role as one of pointing out inconsistencies and anomalies and outliers among the votes and the voters. That, and poking fun at the so called experts. That's the game. That's what makes it entertaining.

Of course, if you all just want to hold hands and sing Kumbaya, then the easiest thing to do is to not publish that spreadsheet. Without it, it's just summary numbers and averages.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

certainly i realized rice at 3 would be an outlier. i am comfortable with it. I think LA beats Rice in a close game...and in which case, i keep rice at 3 despite the loss.

What turned rice into a 3 for me was that we saw this rice team coming. for a few years now on edgy, those in the know were waiting for this to materialize...it's the real bartlett freshmen scenario.

IMO, when you can see something getting good, and then see it materializing that way, there must be depth behind it. I think this rice team has what it takes.

Yes, Rice is an outlier at 3. Nobody else had them that high or even at 4. But, pointing out an outlier does not mean that I disagree with it. It's only an outlier in terms of it being a 3, not in terms of being in the top ten. Most other voters agree that Rice should be in the top ten.

It's just the three homers of the week who think Rice doesn't belong.

 

[BretEpic]

I'm not claiming you gave Naz an insane boost. I am claiming that you exhibited homerism in your ranking.

Fact: You are a Naz fan.
Fact: You gave Naz it's second highest ranking of all the DSR voters.

"To be a 'homer' requires me to place them above where others rank them... I didn't."

Fact: Of the remaining eight DSR voters in addition to yourself, you gave Naz the same or better ranking than seven of

Your math ignores so much. Where other posters went with the 9 and 10 spots, what the ninth spot represents in the sum of it all.

Most of all, you don't get what a homer is. I expected more from a Jesuit.

Anyway, if you want to say I have them too high, go ahead. But it's not due to homerism. A homer would have them 6...

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

You all need to lighten up. Like it or not, I view my role as one of pointing out inconsistencies and anomalies and outliers among the votes and the voters. That, and poking fun at the so called experts. That's the game. That's what makes it entertaining.

Of course, if you all just want to hold hands and sing Kumbaya, then the easiest thing to do is to not publish that spreadsheet. Without it, it's just summary numbers and averages.

Damn it! i assigned you that role! never forget your place young man.

 

[pjjp]

You all need to lighten up. Like it or not, I view my role as one of pointing out inconsistencies and anomalies and outliers among the votes and the voters. That, and poking fun at the so called experts. That's the game. That's what makes it entertaining.

Of course, if you all just want to hold hands and sing Kumbaya, then the easiest thing to do is to not publish that spreadsheet. Without it, it's just summary numbers and averages.

Keep the scrutiny and critiques coming. Personally, I enjoy the challenges.

Last year, you were singing the praises of Barrington before most other posters were aware of them. You ended up being right about them. You took us to task for touting Naz too early. We ended up being right about Naz. I'm not necessarily down on Naz this year. I just need to see them play a quality opponent, which seems to be your main point as well.

Provi is a good example of why a team needs to play quality opponents to get an accurate barometer. I heard from numerous sources in the preseason that Provi was loaded on the lower levels. The implication was they would simply tap this young pipeline and pick up where they left off last year. The reality after playing two quality opponents? Apparently, the pipeline did not include O-linemen. That one area of weakness has been their undoing thus far this year. Let's see if Naz is able to replace that dominant, senior-laden O-line. It doesn't need to be as good as last years to justify a high ranking, but it needs to be at least adequate. As Provi has shown thus far, one cannot just assume quality replacements will step up.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Your math ignores so much. Where other posters went with the 9 and 10 spots, what the ninth spot represents in the sum of it all.

Most of all, you don't get what a homer is. I expected more from a Jesuit.

Anyway, if you want to say I have them too high, go ahead. But it's not due to homerism. A homer would have them 6...

It's not math. It's reading comprehension, and yours has been in short supply in this argument

I don't want to say you have Naz too high. I never said anything about that. I might THINK that, but I never stated it in this thread.

I AM stating that you and the other Naz fan ranked them high relative to the other DSR voters. I am stating that the majority of DSR voters didn't rank Naz at all. You might want to deny the above, but the facts are the facts. There was one only other voter who ranked Naz higher than you. Twist it any way you want. Be in denial all you want. Unless your votes were recorded incorrectly, you were tied for the second most pro-Naz voter in this week's DSR.

Either that was truly coincidental with your being a Naz fan or it was homerism creeping into your rankings. Pick one and defend it. The Jesuit expectation claptrap is beneath you.

You may want to claim coincidence and that no homerism was involved -- that is certainly your right. I suppose if I were in your shoes, I would argue as vehemently as you if I were accused of the heinous homerism offense. Really, coincidence is your only reasonable argument against this accusation. You aren't getting anywhere with the "but one other poster voted the same as me" argument.

 

[BretEpic]

Critique my pick then. Don't question my objectivity.

You are wrong, plain and simple. I ranked them based on the reasons above. If you want to refute that, go ahead. Instead you are sticking to your guns. But hey, you were wrong once already, and proven so, so stick to your case.

Your original argument was that only Naz fans ranked Naz "high". That wasn't the case. Furthermore my "high" ranking is within one of another poster, and very well could be within two of every other voter (hypothetical if everyone elae has them 11.

I could also say the only true expert here, that's one of one, not only agrees with me and then some.

But since this is all about reading comprehension, look up homerism. You really have no clue what it means. It involves placing characteristics that are unreasonable on one's team. I've demonstrated my ranking of Naz is fully within reason. A proven expert and two others all share similar takes, if not more drastic in Edgys case.

I'm done arguing with you. It is a wasted exercise. You are going to beat this horse to prove who knows what, all the while not even understanding the nature of the very idea.

Have a good night, may you wake up with a horrible case of gas pains. Then you'll know what it's like interacting with you.

 

[mchsalumni]

gooms i thought you were gone!

you are in next week

Does this mean I am out?

 

[SiuCubFan8]

NAZ would be a top 10 team in my rankings.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

Does this mean I am out?

It all matter where you ranked NAZ?

 

[BretEpic]

Does this mean I am out?

He can take my spot. If I have to watch Ramblin play Ombudsman every week and be contrarian without actually talking about teams, I might loathe DSR.

 

[mchsalumni]

Your original argument was that only Naz fans ranked Naz "high". That wasn't the case.

In my vote, which was late, I had Naz 8, and if you know me, I am not a fan.

 

[godfthr53]

Higher than the homer!