Darkside Rankings, 2015, Vol. 2

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

this can get fun...

7-10 were real difficult this year.

the group is building a consensus. There were two less teams that received votes in volume 2.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...cC26AE4lL5z68Ho28KTUUHfGk/edit#gid=1263828911

10.10 (9.89) - OPRF: The people's republic falls. OPRF looks like the real deal. The real question for now is, how good was that week 1 win over LWE? The question for later is, how will they handle GBW? and then even further down the road, HC. You know, this begs the question: with rita down, PC down, and with the DVC still sort of unknown, is this the toughest conference? With HC below, and GW even further below...this is the first time a non-CCL conference has had 3 teams in one DSR.

9.30 (NR) - HC: Welcome aboard. HC received all the preseason-parent-hype that a team could ask for. GW in two weeks. So i guess the question is, will that be more than HC could ask for.JCHILLTOPPERS will be home and will be in attendance at this one with Bones, Dean, and whoever else is willing to meet up. Dean will bring palmeros and i'll bring the coke zero.

8.50 (NR) - Nazareth...Meep Meep Motha Trucker: Well look who made it in...it's going to be hard to argue they don't belong. Some dominate wins and some star players overcome the soft sched to date. IMO, IL football is better if Naz now starts scheduling tougher non-cons. That said, Naz received a vote from all but 1 voter, a fact possibly balanced by another voter's 2. Week 7 will no doubt be a big one...and thanks to the IHSA's weirdness, while 7 and 8a will 1-32, JCA and Naz will meet in round 1.

7.40 (7.78) - JCA: JCA's average improves slightly. An injury to one of the two running backs hurts, but a terrific soph is ready to shine at RB-high. I still feel JCA's number 1 back micheal johnson is the most underrated back in the state...he's a mirror image of former all-state JCA RB JRZ IMO NJK SMH.

6.40 (3.78) - MC: Not a great week for the caravan. An 0-3 PC team that played 3+ quarters without its star gave MC all they could handle. it's rita week and honestly, i have no idea what to expect. can reeters win? MC's offense just is not ticking...too many fumbles.

5.80 (6.56) - Montini: Someone posted a great question this week: If MC and Bronco played who would be favored. Clearly the answer is Montini by six tenths of a point. Bronco just took care of Reeters and I think will now cruise ...for 4 more weeks...then we get the friendly between them and SF...friendly...You know, when are we going to get a Naz-Bronco match-up damn it. Edgy wants a JCA-RB II to think about.

5.60 (6.44) - Naperville Central: Are we giving NC too much credit? Nothing really standoutish on the resume...I think this week's game against WV will tell us all we need to know. WV comes in at 2-1, and while NC defeated GBN by one, WV defeated GBN by 7...so it should be a good one. IMO, NC's going to need to win convincingly to stay in this spot...too many good teams above...more interestingly, a win by NV is really going to muck things up, unless you are Beth...in that case, things are already mucked with an F.

3.20 (3.89) - GBW: GW leaps MC and GEpreps jumps for joy...like in the old Toyota commercial. Here's the deal. GW has two weeks to basically practice for HC...after that, GBW gets OPRF on the road. IMO, this will be the toughest non-playoff stretch GBW has had in a long time.

2.50 (3.00) There once was a poster named MWittman: Jesus. Who saw that coming? LA scores 28 first half points against en vogue Rice. Wow. Maybe, just maybe...maybe...LA has the defense that can slow down HF. Maybe.

1.10 (1.00) - HF: Hmmm....it's no longer unanimous...and must admit, I thought about LA at 1 too. Here's the deal...in a few weeks we get the LWE game...that's really HF's only test left. No way LWE beats them and jumps into the DSR...right...i mean...LWE's never surprised us before...right?

That's it.

What to do with Phillips and and Libertyville?

This was a pretty tough week. There are a few match-ups coming up in the next three weeks that will really cement things for us...this week, I'm all about NC vs WV.

looking forward to your feedback an please let me know if you see any errors that need fixing - other than Naz being voted in of course.

 

[Goomlah]

I don't see a 10 for Newt (not that it changes the rankings much)

 

[mchsalumni]

@JCHILLTOPPERS and I are the only 2 enamored with HC. Are we on the Kool-aid, or will GBW prove the others right in a few weeks? My #10 was a toss-up between Naz and Montini, and I struggled. Montini with solid wins, but Simeon losing to Phillips combined with the mainesouthing of Maine South by LA in week 2 gives the nod to Naz.

I also tussled with 1 and 2, but not between HF and LA, but HF and GBW. The kids from the mean streets of Glen Ellyn can play, and if you don't believe me, just ask their butlers.

 

[pjjp]

I struggled with Naz, Libertyville and Phillips. All three have very good talent. I just thought Phillips has the highest quality win against Simeon. It's that balance between quality wins and perceived talent that is the biggest challenge.

Agree with JCH regarding the WSC Silver. At this moment, one can make a strong argument that they are the best conference in the state. We shall see how the rest of the year plays out.

 

[Catch--22]

Just going on the way the DSR was described to me the last couple seasons, Naz is too high, OPRF is too low. And JCAHill completely sold me on NC being overrated in his little blurb.

 

[JFelice]

Michael Johnson is very good but JR Zwierzynski he is not.

 

[WestSuburbanCatholicConference]

Once again an amazing job, fair and accurate.

My top 10 was the exact same EXCEPT for HC. 9 out of 10 ain't bad

Not a believer in HC. They are discipline and fundamentally sound, but they don't have the athletes and player makers. They are a really solid team, but do you really think they have athletes like HF, JCA, LA, Montini, Naz, or even OPRF? I think all of those teams beat HC by double digits, football is a matchup game and there would be a lot of mismatches if HC met any of those teams.

 

[godfthr53]

Is Bones watching football this year?

 

[hornetnation7]

Once again an amazing job, fair and accurate.

My top 10 was the exact same EXCEPT for HC. 9 out of 10 ain't bad

Not a believer in HC. They are discipline and fundamentally sound, but they don't have the athletes and player makers. They are a really solid team, but do you really think they have athletes like HF, JCA, LA, Montini, Naz, or even OPRF? I think all of those teams beat HC by double digits, football is a matchup game and there would be a lot of mismatches if HC met any of those teams.

Furthermore, I don't see much in HC strenght of schedule (which I hear is a major factor for dsr). They beat up on 0 - 3 O'Fallon and DGS. A this past weekend beat up on DGN who is now 2-1 with 7 point win over Lockport and blowout of Proviso East. So SoS seems pretty weak.

 

[NazDad]

What happened to Guerin? Is he OK?

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

I don't see a 10 for Newt (not that it changes the rankings much)

And godfather is missing a ranking of 8 in his column.

 

[pjjp]

@JCHILLTOPPERS and I are the only 2 enamored with HC. Are we on the Kool-aid, or will GBW prove the others right in a few weeks? My #10 was a toss-up between Naz and Montini, and I struggled. Montini with solid wins, but Simeon losing to Phillips combined with the mainesouthing of Maine South by LA in week 2 gives the nod to Naz.

If you struggled with Montini vs. Naz, I'm having trouble seeing how you sided with Naz. It seems you are questioning Montini's SOS. What exactly about Naz' schedule (Bloomington, Leo and Pat's) gives them the nod over Montini's (MS, ESL and Rita)?

 

[BretEpic]

I will accept HC's lack of playmakers because they will punch you in the mouth. One last Allen to open holes, and they always have sufficient athletes. Will learn much about them over the coming weeks.

I guess I don't buy JC's thing on NC. I think NV wins out, even against my Panther tax dollars. NC does as well.

 

[mchsalumni]

If you struggled with Montini vs. Naz, I'm having trouble seeing how you sided with Naz. It seems you are questioning Montini's SOS. What exactly about Naz' schedule (Bloomington, Leo and Pat's) gives them the nod over Montini's (MS, ESL and Rita)?

It's more about the delivery of the beatings they are giving. They are mainesouthing teams pretty effectively, and the productivity of returning stars (Love, Kelly) give them the edge. More unknowns outside of Millikan and Walker in Lombard.

 

[godfthr53]

And godfather is missing a ranking of 8 in his column.

I ranked Naz twice to ensure ultimate Homer status. All kidding aside I went with JCA then HC currently shows both as 9 in my poll. But it would have no change in overall DSR

 

[BretEpic]

How big is Michael Johnson? Not listed, like actually. Kid runs hard.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Before I begin my appointed task this week, let me preface my remarks by stating that much of what I say is intended to be insulting in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way. If you don't like it, click the ignore button. Also, I am compelled to note that DSR voters were numbered last year, not named, and they were able to maintain their anonymity if they wished. This year, that option is not offered. I am not tempering my remarks simply because the voters are no longer anonymous. In fact, the fact that you are all named gives me more ammo to identify homers of the week and other such ignominious epithets. I call 'em as I see 'em. Click ignore if you don't like it, say nothing, or choose to enter into an argument with me. I'm fine either way.

I don't want to get into a habit of moving across the spreadsheet from left to right, but I gotta start this week with Bones. Last week, Bones had Rice at #7. This week, he has them ranked at #7 again, even though the Crusaders were on the losing end of a 28-0 shutout. However, he did see fit to drop down MC from #4 last week to BEHIND Rice at #8 this week despite last Friday's shutout win over defending state champion PC. Bones, you got some splainin' to do.

No Homer of the Week Award this week, but I would like to confer the Beth Long Super 25 Headscratcher of the Week Award to none other than...drum roll please... gooms. Gooms, if you come back and say that you inadvertently transposed your Naz and Loyola votes, I will gladly rescind the award and give it to Bones.

I also have a Lou Holtz Sandbagger of the Week Award that I would like to give to MCHS. I'm not sure which is a bigger example of MCHS sandbagging, stating on Saturday that, "MC would have to be a 30 point favorite over MCHS at this point" or not ranking Montini in this week's DSR. The Broncos are two tenths of a point away from an average DSR ranking of being tied with NC for fourth. MCHS, you can take solace that you kept the Broncos in fifth place by not putting them in your top ten.

Other musings.....

~~ Bones still has a man crush on the Pats. Cut your losses and walk away from him, Bones. It's not your fault; it's his.
~~ Congrats to epic on his recent move to the NV district! When is the housewarming party?
~~ Newt just can't bring himself to not ranking a Lake County school.
~~ Speaking of Newt, he and I aren't ready yet to get on the OPRF and HC bandwagon.
~~ MC has two shutout wins in a row, but only one voter didn't drop them down from last week. What does a team have to do around here to get some respect?
~~ pjjp, how dare you not rank Naz! Their win over the Shamrocks was, um, not underwhelming.

 

[mchsalumni]

I take offense to this @ramblinman, only because you said you would work left to right, but started with @Cross Bones and jumped directly to me in the 10 spot. Be a man of your word.

Also, Bronco was close. As I stated, the toss-up between Naz and MCHS was tough.

 

[USD24]

How big is Michael Johnson? Not listed, like actually. Kid runs hard.

I would say 5'11" 190. Definitely built like a football player

 

[godfthr53]

MCHS I've only watched a handful of your guys plays this year and liked what I saw. I just went back to look at the scores. At first glance I thought very low output by MCHS standards. Is the Offense just not clicking yet under Blake or has there been a slight shift in philosophy and focus on the run game and Walker?

 

[DeanOfSelection]

teams I am watching /on cusp (in no particular order) Batavia, Cary, Hins S v Hin C winner, Neq, Barrington

 

[godfthr53]

NV was very close for me as well.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

also with Phillips-like them but they are gonna have to win 4A and kinda handle Rochester for me to consider. ND-no Naz or JC gonna have to run table and do something in 8A.

 

[pjjp]

Ramblin....I like that JCH has posted the names on the spreadsheet. IMO, it allows each voter to justify his own rankings. I don't want to speak for other DSR voters, especially Bones.

As to MC's ranking, the DSR is a "what have you done for me lately" poll. MC has not been impressive this year. Yes, they shutout Provi, but Provi's RB Warfield, who is by far their best player, went out in the first series and did not return. That attaches a large asterisk to the MC's shutout, IMO. Also, and more importantly, their offense has been underwhelming up to this point. They had one offensive TD against the Celtics and continue to turn the ball over at an alarming. Their O-line was not impressive at all. Provi's front seven dominated. The turnovers are correctable. The O-line play? Not so sure. IMO, you cannot run MC's veer option well without a dominating O-line.

 

[mchsalumni]

I gave strong consideration to Barrington.

 

[mchsalumni]

MCHS I've only watched a handful of your guys plays this year and liked what I saw. I just went back to look at the scores. At first glance I thought very low output by MCHS standards. Is the Offense just not clicking yet under Blake or has there been a slight shift in philosophy and focus on the run game and Walker?

First game was a bunch of new guys, some in new positions, so I think game 1 was just rust and on the job training. Output in ESL and SR was solid, and the offense is more run oriented than in previous years, based on personnel and having a great running QB. This won't be a record setting offense by any stretch, but the speed on both sides of the ball will help keep them in tight games.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

As to MC's ranking, the DSR is a "what have you done for me lately" poll. MC has not been impressive this year. Yes, they shutout Provi, but Provi's RB Warfield, who is by far their best player, went out in the first series and did not return. That attaches a large asterisk to the MC's shutout, IMO. Also, and more importantly, their offense has been underwhelming up to this point.

2015 Pts for/Pts against through week 3 games
MC (currently your #8 and down from #5 last week): 82/14
NC (currently your #4 and unchanged from last week): 54/26

How impressive was NC (and their 18 pts per game) in their 13-12 win vs a 1-2 Glenbard North?

 

[pjjp]

2015 Pts for/Pts against through week 3 games
MC (currently your #8 and down from #5 last week): 82/14
NC (currently your #4 and unchanged from last week): 54/26

How impressive was NC (and their 18 pts per game) in their 13-12 win vs a 1-2 Glenbard North?

IMO, NC has played a higher quality of competition. The wins over GBN and NV especially stand out. As it stands, NC is not a dynamic offensive team either. I side more with Epic in this thread, than JCH, though. NC has been impressive this year. The DVC makes DSR voting difficult. There is not a gimme game (ie CCL crossovers) in that conference. For instance, I do think GBN is a very good team, even with their 1-2 record.

I expected MC (who was ranked #2 in the preseason by Edgy) to be more impressive against Marist in Week 1. At the time, I chalked up their 21-14 win to first game rust. By week 3, I would have expected to see more offensive improvement from them. In addition to scoring the one offensive TD, I believe they only entered the red zone once. Provi's defense is good, but not that good. I saw JC put up 34 against them.

 

[jwarigaku]

And here we have it folks Ramblin' in the ultimate homer post of the season. Face it Ramblin YOU by far are the biggest HOMER on this board! You just can't stand when LA isn't ranked #1, perhaps this year when the final curtain drops they can finally be #1 but for now suck it up and understand they ain't!

JC,

I don't think Ramblin can be your devils advocate when he can't see anyone but Loyola as being best.

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Ramblin'

Here are my top 4:

1)HF Like watching a video game and the best assembly of talent in the state
2)GBW They grind you to death and have broken big plays on both O and D
3)JCA Defensive and Offensive line to kill for with balanced offense and good defense
4)Naperville Central They get it done whether it needs to be a big offensive burst or big defensive stop


1) On average, LA's first three opponents are substantially more competitive than HF's. The Vikes' toughest opponent this year has been Stevie, and the Pats' defense has been a sieve.
2) Again, I'm liking LA's competition here more than GBW's. Did the Brook really lose by 18 to Sandburg or was that a typo?
3) JCA's opponents are a combined 1-8. LA's opponents are a combined 6-4.
4) How does a team averaging 18 pts a game and managing only 13 pts against a 1-2 Glenbard North have big offensive bursts? Do you mean bursts or burps?

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

And here we have it folks Ramblin' in the ultimate homer post of the season. Face it Ramblin YOU by far are the biggest HOMER on this board! You just can't stand when LA isn't ranked #1, perhaps this year when the final curtain drops they can finally be #1 but for now suck it up and understand they ain't!

You approached me in another thread and said that you felt that LA's opponents were overrated and that the Ramblers have looked underwhelming against them. A number of other posters in that thread questioned your credibility/sanity in making a statement like that, but I kept it civil. I asked you to tell me who you have ahead of the Ramblers and to explain how the schools you have above the Ramblers have met your standards of a high level of play against equal or better competition as LA has faced in the first third of the regular season. You did that. And then I responded.

Can I not disagree with you without you foaming at the mouth? Did I lie or exaggerate when I said that Stevie's defense has been a sieve or that JCA's opponents are 1-8 while LA's are 6-4? How about if you address the content of my message rather than devolve the thread by jumping all over the messenger? Do you think if you stomp your feet and wave your arms and raise your voice that it makes your argument any stronger?

Here I thought that you and I were going to have a civil discussion. Too bad. And it started out so well...

 

[jwarigaku]

Ramblin'

Projection is a wonderful coping mechanism on your part! Everything to you is about the Ramblers, you're a fan I don't fault you for that, but you have NO objectivity about others being as good or better. Again, I will say Loyola is a very good team, maybe even a great team, they have been for a number of years. My issues are one, they have underwhelmed me this year, and two they have a problem with finishing. I'll keep on watching and if they keep on winning and keep improving they might be #1 before you think because I can look at the whole picture.

You approached me in another thread and said that you felt that LA's opponents were overrated and that the Ramblers have looked underwhelming against them. A number of other posters in that thread questioned your credibility/sanity in making a statement like that, but I kept it civil. I asked you to tell me who you have ahead of the Ramblers and to explain how the schools you have above the Ramblers have met your standards of a high level of play against equal or better competition as LA has faced in the first third of the regular season. You did that. And then I responded.

Can I not disagree with you without you foaming at the mouth? Did I lie or exaggerate when I said that Stevie's defense has been a sieve or that JCA's opponents are 1-8 while LA's are 6-4? How about if you address the content of my message rather than devolve the thread by jumping all over the messenger? Do you think if you stomp your feet and wave your arms and raise your voice that it makes your argument any stronger?

Here I thought that you and I were going to have a civil discussion. Too bad. And it started out so well...

 

[BretEpic]

Glenbard North is a good 1-2 team. Tough loss to both WV and NC, the latter being as discussed a top team IMO. WV also lost to game NV team. GN IMO is third or fourth in the DVC come year's end, and that's a great place to be. But hey, I'm a GN homer, right?

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Ramblin'

Projection is a wonderful coping mechanism on your part! Everything to you is about the Ramblers, you're a fan I don't fault you for that, but you have NO objectivity about others being as good or better. Again, I will say Loyola is a very good team, maybe even a great team, they have been for a number of years. My issues are one, they have underwhelmed me this year, and two they have a problem with finishing. I'll keep on watching and if they keep on winning and keep improving they might be #1 before you think because I can look at the whole picture.

Wait, is this the civil jwar or the rabid jwar? I'm so confused.

I absolutely have objectivity about others being as good or better than the Ramblers. What I do not like to let slide is when people form opinions about them for incorrect or uninformed or nebulous reasons. Like right there, in your post quoted above, you say they have a problem with finishing. Can you give an example of that?

When I think of a team having problems finishing, I think of a team with a comfortable lead that lets the opposing team back in the game. What's your concept of a team having problems finishing?

You never answered my question from the other thread where you claimed that LA's victory over MS was underwhelming and I asked you if a 41 point victory was not enough for you, how large a margin of victory do you want to see before you would begin to be impressed? Care to take a stab at answering that question now?

You need to watch more Loyola games. Holecek's teams have routinely jumped out to big first half leads and then take their foot off the gas in the second half. Does that mean they have problems finishing or does that mean that they are in control and are not interested in running up the score? You know what they say about one man's garbage...

 

[jwarigaku]

Ramblin'

I'm neither Civil nor rabid, I'm just calling them as I see them; and you are just firmly rooted in opinion. When I say Loyola has a problem finishing I'm not talking about a game but rather a SEASON! I've answered the issue with margin of victory assessment and find it somewhat laughable that this is where you pin your argument. If I wanted that I'd look to Calpreps as that is their model, if you really like that way of team assessment here is your top 10.

1) Loyola
2) HF
3) Montini
4) Phillips
5) SHG
6) JCA
7) Rochester
8) CG
9) Glenbard West
10) Nazareth

There you go, Loyola at 1 are you happy now...Still couldn't shake Naz out of the top 10 and while some of those teams belong there, there are some missing for sure.

Finally I've watched more Loyola games than you think, and it's why I have the opinion I have. Again having Loyola at 5 isn't a knock and I've said they are a very good, maybe even a great team, but I need to see more. Unfortunately for you(Loyola) from my point of view I will not likey have them at 1 until post season play unless a few other teams lose.

Wait, is this the civil jwar or the rabid jwar? I'm so confused.

I absolutely have objectivity about others being as good or better than the Ramblers. What I do not like to let slide is when people form opinions about them for incorrect or uninformed or nebulous reasons. Like right there, in your post quoted above, you say they have a problem with finishing. Can you give an example of that?

When I think of a team having problems finishing, I think of a team with a comfortable lead that lets the opposing team back in the game. What's your concept of a team having problems finishing?

You never answered my question from the other thread where you claimed that LA's victory over MS was underwhelming and I asked you if a 41 point victory was not enough for you, how large a margin of victory do you want to see before you would begin to be impressed? Care to take a stab at answering that question now?

You need to watch more Loyola games. Holecek's teams have routinely jumped out to big first half leads and then take their foot off the gas in the second half. Does that mean they have problems finishing or does that mean that they are in control and are not interested in running up the score? You know what they say about one man's garbage...

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

When I say Loyola has a problem finishing I'm not talking about a game but rather a SEASON!

Which SEASON!, this one? If so, give me examples. If not, then go away because the DSR is about this year only.

I've answered the issue with margin of victory assessment and find it somewhat laughable that this is where you pin your argument.

No, you didn't answer my margin of victory question. It was a very specific question and you have now dodged it twice. Here it is again: What would the final score have to be for you to be impressed with Loyola defeating MS? Obviously, you are turning up your nose at a 41 point margin of victory. Would you rather that Loyola had run up the score? Or perhaps you would prefer LA beating MS by only 10 or 12 pts but "looking" better doing so?

You find it laughable that I pin my argument on margin of victory, but yet you claim that LA has problems finishing (without providing a single example). You find it laughable that I pin my argument on margin of victory, but yet you claim that you are underwhelmed by LA's level of play, even though Loyola is dominating the box score. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Do you even know what you are saying? You are saying that LA has been underwhelming in outscoring their opponents by a combined score of 112-8. Take away the three losses that LA dealt those three opponents, and their combined record is 6-1. Earth to jwar! How much longer do you think you can keep a straight face and maintain this farcical argument?

Finally I've watched more Loyola games than you think, and it's why I have the opinion I have. Again having Loyola at 5 isn't a knock and I've said they are a very good, maybe even a great team, but I need to see more. Unfortunately for you(Loyola) from my point of view I will not likey have them at 1 until post season play unless a few other teams lose.

Three games into a season in which you have watched LA twice, and you already have Loyola pegged for the remainder of the season. Let's just crown HF and be done with it, right?

You want to know what I find laughable? I find it laughable that Loyola could run the table in the CCL, put a running clock on MS, and notch a 5-TD shutout over a highly ranked large school from Wisconsin, and you would still find LA to be "underwhelming."

 

[jwarigaku]

Ramblin'

I know you're mad and that's not my intent!

Margin of victory means something to you but it doesn't to me. In many cases I can find a one point victory or even a loss as being more impressive than a 40+ point margin of victory. I watch entire games not highlights and there has not been overwhelming play at all position levels for Loyola and I see potential holes that really bother me. I know you don't like this approach because it doesn't make Loyola look great like an undisputed #1. I will again say I still see them at 5 right now because they are very good.

Your view of football and its merits are simply elementary compared to the way I analyze it. Maybe it's why I saw Naperville central wining state in 8A a couple of years ago when no one saw them as even a top 20 team to start the season, or why you argued with me last season when I told you Naz was a top team before the end of September. Like I say it's ok to be wrong and when I'm proven wrong I admit it and own it. All said and done I can only be proven wrong on this come November 30th. Till then suck it up and understand I will continue to debate you and your attitude that only you can be correct or question others.

If I see Loyola change in their play I will be happy to move them up. Please also send me links to full games so I can watch more. I'd especially love to watch the championship game a few years back when Loyola pulled their starting QB to play the underclassman on the last series were they need a score to win...Why would a coach do this at that point in the game...I don't get it...Finish...they haven't since the early 90's right?!

Now the intent there was to make you MAD!

Which SEASON!, this one? If so, give me examples. If not, then go away because the DSR is about this year only.



No, you didn't answer my margin of victory question. It was a very specific question and you have now dodged it twice. Here it is again: What would the final score have to be for you to be impressed with Loyola defeating MS? Obviously, you are turning up your nose at a 41 point margin of victory. Would you rather that Loyola had run up the score? Or perhaps you would prefer LA beating MS by only 10 or 12 pts but "looking" better doing so?

You find it laughable that I pin my argument on margin of victory, but yet you claim that LA has problems finishing (without providing a single example). You find it laughable that I pin my argument on margin of victory, but yet you claim that you are underwhelmed by LA's level of play, even though Loyola is dominating the box score. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Do you even know what you are saying? You are saying that LA has been underwhelming in outscoring their opponents by a combined score of 112-8. Take away the three losses that LA dealt those three opponents, and their combined record is 6-1. Earth to jwar! How much longer do you think you can keep a straight face and maintain this farcical argument?



Three games into a season in which you have watched LA twice, and you already have Loyola pegged for the remainder of the season. Let's just crown HF and be done with it, right?

You want to know what I find laughable? I find it laughable that Loyola could run the table in the CCL, put a running clock on MS, and notch a 5-TD shutout over a highly ranked large school from Wisconsin, and you would still find LA to be "underwhelming."

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Margin of victory means something to you but it doesn't to me. In many cases I can find a one point victory or even a loss as being more impressive than a 40+ point margin of victory.!

I don't disagree, as long the victories are not against the same team. So, if LA beats a CCL Blue team by one point, that carries more weight than if they beat a CCL Red team by 40+. Don't even try to argue with me that you can be more impressed with a one point LA victory over MS than you are with a 41 point victory margin over the same MS squad. LA has notched some huge margins of victory over some very strong teams and programs. Other schools that you think are better than LA simply cannot say the same.

I watch entire games not highlights and there has not been overwhelming play at all position levels for Loyola and I see potential holes that really bother me. I know you don't like this approach because it doesn't make Loyola look great like an undisputed #1. I will again say I still see them at 5 right now because they are very good.

You are really bothered by potential holes and underwhelming play, but you rank them #5 and say they are very good. Pick an argument and stick with it. You can't argue both sides of the coin.

Your view of football and its merits are simply elementary compared to the way I analyze it.

Maybe it's why I saw Naperville central wining state in 8A a couple of years ago when no one saw them as even a top 20 team to start the season, or why you argued with me last season when I told you Naz was a top team before the end of September.

You and a few others have a fundamental disconnect when it comes to the DSR. Last year, just like this year, I argued early in the season that Naz does not deserve to be ranked in the DSR at that time due to SOS. At one point last year, someone asked me who was more deserving of a DSR ranking than Naz, and I said Barrington. People thought I was nuts, but I don't care. The DSR is about the here and now. It's not about future potential, and neither is it about past seasons. That's just not the way it rolls, but you can 't see it. You are like Domer boy arguing that HF deserves a top seed in Catch-22's If the Playoffs Started Today threads.

 

[BretEpic]

I don't disagree, as long the victories are not against the same team. So, if LA beats a CCL Blue team by one point, that carries more weight than if they beat a CCL Red team by 40+. Don't even try to argue with me that you can be more impressed with a one point LA victory over MS than you are with a 41 point victory margin over the same MS squad. LA has notched some huge margins of victory over some very strong teams and programs. Other schools that you think are better than LA simply cannot say the same.



You are really bothered by potential holes and underwhelming play, but you rank them #5 and say they are very good. Pick an argument and stick with it. You can't argue both sides of the coin.







You and a few others have a fundamental disconnect when it comes to the DSR. Last year, just like this year, I argued early in the season that Naz does not deserve to be ranked in the DSR at that time due to SOS. At one point last year, someone asked me who was more deserving of a DSR ranking than Naz, and I said Barrington. People thought I was nuts, but I don't care. The DSR is about the here and now. It's not about future potential, and neither is it about past seasons. That's just not the way it rolls, but you can 't see it. You are like Domer boy arguing that HF deserves a top seed in Catch-22's If the Playoffs Started Today threads.

What gets me is your insistence that you have the sole interpretation of what DSR is. JCHIL has states SOS is not the end all be all. But it's your way or else...

Voters can have their own take, percentage of what matters, and they aren't wrong.

 

[jwarigaku]

Epic,

He's a Jesuit, they're never wrong in their eyes...it's like arguing with my dad...he went to Faifield Prep another Jesuit school. I still can't believe Ramblin' won't accept that I think Loyola is very good, just not #1 good at this point in the season. Makes me think he never played but only watched from the sidelines, perhaps a male cheerleader! I notice to that he feels that the quality of wins that Loyola has is there because of the other teams historic power, but if we want to discuss historical facts it's only about the here and now. He is what he is and I find him entertaining, then again I also find Tosh.0 entertaining...perhaps they are on the same basic level.

What gets me is your insistence that you have the sole interpretation of what DSR is. JCHIL has states SOS is not the end all be all. But it's your way or else...

Voters can have their own take, percentage of what matters, and they aren't wrong.

 

[Bowie50]

Ramblinman,

Why do you bother engaging with these two meatheads. They've obviously never played the sport and have no idea what they're talking about.