DARKSIDE RANKINGS, 2015, Vol. 6

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

It's always wacky on the Darkside...This week, your analysis is thus:


Average Rank -
(Last Wk Rank) -
Team Name -
Calpreps Results versus the 2007 #1 Ranked Joliet Catholic Hilltoppers -
Short Commentary -

Darkside Rankings: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...cC26AE4lL5z68Ho28KTUUHfGk/edit#gid=1263828911

At this point in the season, it's getting difficult to generalize commentary from the DS panel...They are happy to answer your challenges, including Ramblers.

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11.37 (NR) Phillips:

- Lose 35 - 27 to the 07 Hilltoppers.
- Back from the dead. See Rambl, it's all good.​

8.27 (8.50) Hinsdale Central:

-Lose 38 -34 to the 07 Hilltoppers.
-HC vs OPRF in week 9 for DS bragging rights.​

9.9 (8.09) Bother Rice:

-Lose 38-28 to the 07 Hilltoppers.
-Rice wins by forfeit last week, and basically this week in New Lenox....ouch.​

9.70 (8.0) Naperville Central:

-Lose 31 - 21 to the 07 Hilltoppers.
-Nice little bump up for NC this week. As the DVC takes shape, NC's lone, last-second-two-point-conversion loss to WV this season looks better and better.​

6.18 (5.90) Montini:

-Lose 31 - 20 to the 07 Hilltoppers.
-Finally, a HILLTOPPER victory over Bronco, take that bronco posters! Bronco didn't quite put away St. Francis as they may have hoped...really St. Francis put themselves away. While Bronco's schedule of late has been nothing to write home about, it's noteworthy that St. Francis's 8 points ruined a three game shut out streak by Bronco.​

5.09 (5.20) Libertyville:

-Lose 35 -28 to the 07 Hilltoppers.
-It's still the Lees show. Libertyville hasn't really been tested this season, but by the looks of souc's projections...they might get so very early on.​

4.91 (4.70) JCA:

-Loses 38 - 34 to the 07 Hilltoppers.
-ESCC runs: MCC: 34 unanswered over Naz; JCA 31 unaswered over Naz; Naz 28 unanswered over JCA...JCA just needs to get healthy...Need 1 win out of 2 to secure the ESCC title.​

2.73 (2.80) Homewood Flossemore:

-Lose 38 - 31 to the 07 Hilltoppers.
-Scoring 28 points against LWE is not easy. Prior to this game, the most LWE gave up this season was 13 to OPRF in week 1...that is very good news for HF.​

2.09 (1.80) Loyola:

-Win 31 - 28 against the 07 Hilltoppers. Damn it, i was hoping the 07 Toppers would go undefeated.
-GW has all it's big games out of the way. Loyola has one more, MC, next week. LA is gonna have to put on a show to take over the #1 spot. Damn, LA has only given up double digit points twice this season.​

1.55 (1.80) Glenbard West:

-Win 34 - 31 against the 07 Hilltoppers.
-GW fans really wanted a healthy OPRF - they did not get it. They did apparently get some unruly OPRF fans...Nevertheless, a 34-7 win against a tough OPRF was legit enough for the voters. Now, can GW hold on?​

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So what teams are we missing?

Teams getting DS votes, but not ranked
Lincoln Way North
Huntley
Neq. Val.
MC - certainly back with a win over LA, but what about a close one?

What about:
Thorton
Geneva
Prairie Ridge?

 

[pjjp]

I predict Ramblin will be strangely silent this week.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

Y this

I predict Ramblin will be strangely silent this week.

is the first time this year I have felt mostly comfortable with my picks 1 through ten.

 

[pjjp]

I like my ten. Struggled with the order of 5-10.

Ramblin will be caught up in Cub euphoria....kinda like Dean last Friday. I believe Dean was humming "Go Cubs Go" through most of the JC / Naz game.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

My DSR is incorrect.I have had HF #1 all year and the 28-3 win over LWE confirmed everything.I have LA 2 and GW 3

 

[GEPreps]

1.55 (1.80) Glenbard West:
-Win 34 - 31 against the 07 Hilltoppers.

So ... the school on top of the hill won.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

HF v LA will be for the DSR title unless GW went 8A and won it.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

My DSR is incorrect.I have had HF #1 all year and the 28-3 win over LWE confirmed everything.I have LA 2 and GW 3

fixed

 

[DeanOfSelection]

u never know in playoffs how it transpires. What if LA lost to HF then they lost to Hin C. Then GW #1. Can't imagine HF LA isn't DSR title game though in 8A championship.

 

[capnbillhitters]

HF v LA will be for the DSR title unless GW went 8A and won it.

drag...so I guess this current ranking is throwing a bone until the big daddies play?

I appreciate the validation as Dr Freud suggests I can use all I can get (as if I play the games)

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

I don't have too much to rant about in this volume. Overall, I think the average based rankings are pretty solid. There are, however, a couple of questionable calls that I would like to point out.

Last weekend, the Red Devils dispatched LT by 30. These are the same Lions that won two three-point games over Morton (2-5) and Leyden (3-4). Two weeks ago, pjjp had HC (6-1) ranked at #6. After a loss to GBW, he moved them down to #10. This week, he moved HC up to #5. Seems like a hefty jump to move a team back up from 10 to 5 based on a win over LT. So, who did HC displace in pjjp's rankings? Let's take a look,

Two weeks ago, pjjp's 5-9 rankings were, in order, Montini, JCA, OPRF, NC and Rice. This week, pjjp has those same teams at 8, 9, NR, 6, and 7, respectively. OPRF is the easy one to eliminate. No problem with that. But, JCA (7-0) down from 6 to 9? After beating Naz? NAZ! Are you saying that beating Naz is unimpressive? Can any team look unimpressive by beating Naz? NAZ! You also moved Bronco (7-0) down from 5 to 8. All Bronco did was win by 19 over St. Francis (4-3). You also moved up NC from 8 to 6 after they destroyed NN (0-7). JCH was even more impressed by that NC win over a winless NN (2-14 over the past two seasons) because he moved NC from 8 to 5. He also moved Bronco down in his rankings. I submit to the both of you that Montini beating SF by 19 and JCA by 3 over Naz are much more impressive wins than NC over NN by 41. Maybe not as impressive as HC over LT by 30, but then again, Montini and JCA are both undefeated while HC is 6-1 with only one victory over a team with a winning record.

Last week, gooms moved Rice (6-1) from NR to #10 based on their beating MC (which gooms had ranked at #4 the week before that). This week, gooms moved Rice up two more spots to #8 in his rankings based on absolutely nothing. That is to say that Rice was idle this past weekend due to a forfeit. Must be nice to be rewarded for doing nothing. gooms, do you work for Streets and San?

Seriously, gooms, you do realize that your undefeated #6 destroyed, dismantled and dominated your one loss #8, right? Either Rice is too high or LA is too low. To claim that only one other team separates the two of them is downright goofy.

 

[mchsalumni]

I was sweating this one, no scalpel work from @ramblinman for me!

Yet.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

next year Montini would have a valid claim for #1 with playing at Rice, MC and being 7A. GW -my opinion-is they are 3rd best team and would lose in semi to HF or LA that's all. HF LA I have had 1-2 since first DSR.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

I was sweating this one, no scalpel work from @ramblinman for me!

Yet.

I must admit I did not scrutinize your rankings close enough. Basically, what I said to pjjp and JCH about moving JCA and Montini down and moving up schools like NC applies to you as well.

And, like your spreadsheet neighbor, gooms, you were dazzled by that impressive Rice forfeit win.

 

[mchsalumni]

And, like your spreadsheet neighbor, gooms, you were dazzled by that impressive Rice forfeit win.

I was waiting to see if there would be a letdown after a big win, and BR held steady. Solid team.

 

[pjjp]

Ramblin...I'll give you my rationale for the changes. IMO, last week's wins raised some concerns for both JCA and Montini. For JC, poor pass defense reared its ugly head once again. As a team and program, I thought JC had progressed past the type of breakdowns I saw in the pass defense against Naz. I do give Naz credit. They have multiple weapons and present a great many challenges in the passing game. However, JC almost blew a 31-0 halftime lead. That was alarming. Naz has big play weapons, but to give up a TD on 3rd goal from the 18 on a simple fade pattern cannot happen. Giving up TD's of 84 and 78 yards on successive possessions cannot happen.

Montini has not been lighting up the score board this year. And, quite frankly, their schedule is not very good. Yes....the first three games looked good on paper. MS is not bad, but this is not a great MS team. ESL lost to (3-4) Belleville West, and Rita is as down as they've been in a long, long time. The CCL Green is just plain bad this year. Montini scored 27 points on a team that had just given up 49 to an admittedly improved St. Laurence team. I like the Bronco defense this year, but their offense is not up to past standards. I understand they are more of a running team, due to their personnel, but I'm just not seeing the offensive production this year.

Here is the crux of my approach, though. At this point, since we have 7 weeks of data, I don't look at week-to-week changes in rankings, as you did in your analysis. I look at who I think are the top 10 at this point in time. Right now, based on everything I've seen, I believe HC, NC and Rice beat Montini and JC in head-to-head matchups. I don't believe Montini would score enough to beat those teams, and JC's pass defense would be exploited. Also, JC's lack of diversity on offense would allow those solid 8A programs to limit them enough on offense to prevail in a projected matchup.

Keep in mind, I believe Montini and JC are good teams. Both are top 10 worthy, IMO. Is the above analysis splitting hairs? To a degree, yes. But, that's what needs to be done to separate very good teams, when coming up with a top 10.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

"9.9 (8.09) Bother Rice:

-Lose 38-28 to the 07 Hilltoppers.
-Rice wins by forfeit last week, and basically this week in New Lenox....ouch."

Was Bother Rice a Freudian slip?

Okay, so maybe I was a bit hasty in my earlier post where I said that I don't have much issue with the overall rankings. I do have an issue with the above.

In the past, I have been rather vocal about voters ranking teams too high without the justification of playing decent competition. But, improving the average for BR by 1.81 points and the BR ranking by two places from one week to the next for doing NOTHING? That has got to be a new DSR low.

I realize that it is not Rice's fault that the other school forfeited (although I don't know why Rice scheduled Legal Prep Charter and its 332 students to begin with), but that isn't enough in my mind to justify moving them up in the rankings. Reward a team for suiting up and lining up against another team, not for going to the movies on Friday night.

Everyone except epic improved their Rice rankings from last week to this week. If you are so generous to Rice for doing nothing, it's probably just as well that they didn't crush Legal Prep Charter, because we'd likely have a new #1.

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[Cross Bones]

It was an impressive forfeit

 

[mchsalumni]

It was an impressive forfeit

+1

 

[Goomlah]

Last week, gooms moved Rice (6-1) from NR to #10 based on their beating MC (which gooms had ranked at #4 the week before that). This week, gooms moved Rice up two more spots to #8 in his rankings based on absolutely nothing. That is to say that Rice was idle this past weekend due to a forfeit. Must be nice to be rewarded for doing nothing. gooms, do you work for Streets and San?

Seriously, gooms, you do realize that your undefeated #6 destroyed, dismantled and dominated your one loss #8, right? Either Rice is too high or LA is too low. To claim that only one other team separates the two of them is downright goofy.

Here we go again. Remind me why I actually care. This is the same Loyola team as it always is. They're not as good as everyone thinks they are. Loyola has 2 wins of note: Maine South and Brother Rice. They running clocked Maine South. OK. Maine South is now 7-2 after somehow beating GBS and NT but seriously this is not your father's Maine South by any stretch.

Rice has 2 wins: Crete and Mt. Carmel. They lost to Loyola at Loyola where quite frankly everyone loses to Loyola at Loyola. EVERYONE. Loyola has what, 1 home loss in 5 years (Mt. Carmel)? Please this is madness. When MT. Carmel beats Loyola everyone will be like, oh, snap. Anyway, OPRF and Naz lost (7 and 9 respectively last week) so I had to move teams up. OK, Rice had a forfeit win. Your point? Is Phillips better? NC with a loss? NV with a loss to NC? LWN? I say no although to be honest I screwed up on 1 team which brings me to my final point,...

The team I didn't realize had such good wins was LWN. Presuming a win Friday I'll try to figure out where to put them.

 

[Bwm57]

I was waiting to see if there would be a letdown after a big win, and BR held steady. Solid team.

Sure, that's one way of looking at this match-up.
I, on the other hand, choose to view this event from the Legal Prep charter side.
Did this little school of only 332 students give up any points to one of this year's 8A power houses, no, no they did not.
In checking the stats, I see that Brother Rice had a Friday night season low for yards rushing, passing and even overall yards gained.
I challenge you, Edgy posters, who can say anything bad about Legal Prep Charter's defensive play last Friday night? You can pour over the available game film all you want and you won't find a single error made by the boys from Legal Prep Charter!!
So, I ask you, shouldn't your questions not revolve around the Dark Side rise of Brother Rice after last weekend, but, using the well established transitive property, might you not need to be looking for a place in the Dark Side rankings in the upcoming weeks for Legal Charter Prep??

 

[mchsalumni]

Sure, that's one way of looking at this match-up.
I, on the other hand, choose to view this event from the Legal Prep charter side.
Did this little school of only 332 students give up any points to one of this year's 8A power houses, no, no they did not.
In checking the stats, I see that Brother Rice had a Friday night season low for yards rushing, passing and even overall yards gained.
I challenge you, Edgy posters, who can say anything bad about Legal Prep Charter's defensive play last Friday night? You can pour over the available game film all you want and you won't find a single error made by the boys from Legal Prep Charter!!
So, I ask you, shouldn't your questions not revolve around the Dark Side rise of Brother Rice after last weekend, but, using the well established transitive property, might you not need to be looking for a place in the Dark Side rankings in the upcoming weeks for Legal Charter Prep??

Based on this methodology, I'm thinking somewhere between 6-10. I need the sarcastic font for my posts...

 

[guerinfbfan]

I dont think we are giving enough attention to SHG.

They will breeze through the regular season, sans Rochester, but they're always loaded.

If JCA & Montini are DSR worth, so is SHG right?

 

[godfthr53]

I dont think we are giving enough attention to SHG.

They will breeze through the regular season, sans Rochester, but they're always loaded.

If JCA & Montini are DSR worth, so is SHG right?

No. JCA's schedule is much tougher than SHG. So is parts of MCHS's

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Here we go again. Remind me why I actually care. This is the same Loyola team as it always is. They're not as good as everyone thinks they are. Loyola has 2 wins of note: Maine South and Brother Rice. They running clocked Maine South. OK. Maine South is now 7-2 after somehow beating GBS and NT but seriously this is not your father's Maine South by any stretch.

Rice has 2 wins: Crete and Mt. Carmel. They lost to Loyola at Loyola where quite frankly everyone loses to Loyola at Loyola. EVERYONE. Loyola has what, 1 home loss in 5 years (Mt. Carmel)? Please this is madness. When MT. Carmel beats Loyola everyone will be like, oh, snap. .

Loyola was in the 8A title game in 2011 and 2013. If this is the same Loyola team as it always is, then they are due for another 8A title appearance this year as they are obviously on an every other year title game cycle.

Memo to gooms: The MC vs. Loyola game is at Loyola. How can you say MC will beat Loyola when, in the VERY SAME PARAGRAPH, you say that everyone loses to Loyola at Loyola? And, Rice didn't just lose to Loyola at Loyola. They were soundly trounced in every aspect of the game at Loyola. If it had been a close game, I might let you slide. But it wasn't, and I'm not.

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[jwarigaku]

Loyola was in the 8A title game in 2011 and 2013. If this is the same Loyola team as it always is, then they are due for another 8A title appearance this year as they are obviously on an every other year title game cycle.

Memo to gooms: The MC vs. Loyola game is at Loyola. How can you say MC will beat Loyola when, in the VERY SAME PARAGRAPH, you say that everyone loses to Loyola at Loyola? And, Rice didn't just lose to Loyola at Loyola. They were soundly trounced in every aspect of the game at Loyola. If it had been a close game, I might let you slide. But it wasn't, and I'm not.

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[BretEpic]

Loyola was in the 8A title game in 2011 and 2013. If this is the same Loyola team as it always is, then they are due for another 8A title appearance this year as they are obviously on an every other year title game cycle.


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Whoah, whoah whoah. The past teams are not to matter... or so I was told. Just who you have played.

 

[jwarigaku]

Epic,

If it fits his arguement all is well & good...you should remember that! Also a good loss can move you up in the polls as long as you're a certain team and not another team...it's all in the fine print! Fun excersize but all this means nothing anyway.

Whoah, whoah whoah. The past teams are not to matter... or so I was told. Just who you have played.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Jwar --

Back to the Homer thing, eh? Here's the difference:

Back after week two games were complete, Naz was 2-0 and had looked absolutely awesome in beating Bloomington (1-6) and Leo (1-6). I called out two Naz DSR voters for homerism for their relatively high votes for Naz at that time. Since then, Naz is 3-2 after entering their ESCC conference game schedule.

Loyola, on the other hand is 7-0. So, you can call me a homer if you want, but at least I know that my team is 7 games into an undefeated season against decent competition as opposed to you trying to defend your fellow Naz apologists after beating a couple of cellar dwellers.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Whoah, whoah whoah. The past teams are not to matter... or so I was told. Just who you have played.

They don't matter. gooms was defending his putting LA at #6 by saying Loyola was the same Loyola as always. If you have a problem with past teams, take it up with him.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

I dont think we are giving enough attention to SHG.

They will breeze through the regular season, sans Rochester, but they're always loaded.

If JCA & Montini are DSR worth, so is SHG right?

I rank/consider ranking SHG only at conclusion of playoffs. Not playing anybody I have a point of reference on. Now East St Louis I would rank as they played Simeon and Montini. if SHG beats Rochester and beats LWW, LWN and Montini in 6A I will rank them.

 

[jwarigaku]

Ramblin',

As if you are Leonardo himself!

Jwar --

Back to the Homer thing, eh? Here's the difference:

Back after week two games were complete, Naz was 2-0 and had looked absolutely awesome in beating Bloomington (1-6) and Leo (1-6). I called out two Naz DSR voters for homerism for their relatively high votes for Naz at that time. Since then, Naz is 3-2 after entering their ESCC conference game schedule.

Loyola, on the other hand is 7-0. So, you can call me a homer if you want, but at least I know that my team is 7 games into an undefeated season against decent competition as opposed to you trying to defend your fellow Naz apologists after beating a couple of cellar dwellers.

 

[goodnamesaregone]

Just to stir the pot a little bit...

"-GW fans really wanted a healthy OPRF - they did not get it...Nevertheless, a 34-7 win against a tough OPRF was legit enough for the voters. Now, can GW hold on?"

Interestingly, LWE lost to a healthy OPRF 14-13 early in the season. Yet by losing to #3 HF this week for its second loss, LWE drops completely out of sight and loses all respect from the voters.

One could argue that LWE and a healthy OPRF are evenly matched, making HF's 28-3 win over LWE much more impressive than GW's 34-7 win against a depleted OPRF team. Maybe LWE should still get a little love, because its loss was much more "explainable"?

And maybe the voters are over-rating the darling GWs because they have an inherent dislike for the Domer-backed Homer-Flosswoods, even though most of the voters probably haven't actually seen the Homer-Flosswoods play (having been unable to score a ticket to the sold-out games). What's so impressive about GW's "quality" wins again?

The same could be asked about Loyola, right? Scratch a little deeper and its "quality" wins might not be, as Gooms was trying to explain to the Ramblin' Man.

So how about a little LWE love? It lost by only 1 point to a not-depleted OPRF team, and its only other loss was to the team that should really be the #1 team (albeit, the loss was pretty bad).

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

Just to stir the pot a little bit...

"-GW fans really wanted a healthy OPRF - they did not get it...Nevertheless, a 34-7 win against a tough OPRF was legit enough for the voters. Now, can GW hold on?"

Interestingly, LWE lost to a healthy OPRF 14-13 early in the season. Yet by losing to #3 HF this week for its second loss, LWE drops completely out of sight and loses all respect from the voters.

One could argue that LWE and a healthy OPRF are evenly matched, making HF's 28-3 win over LWE much more impressive than GW's 34-7 win against a depleted OPRF team. Maybe LWE should still get a little love, because its loss was much more "explainable"?

And maybe the voters are over-rating the darling GWs because they have an inherent dislike for the Domer-backed Homer-Flosswoods, even though most of the voters probably haven't actually seen the Homer-Flosswoods play (having been unable to score a ticket to the sold-out games). What's so impressive about GW's "quality" wins again?

The same could be asked about Loyola, right? Scratch a little deeper and its "quality" wins might not be, as Gooms was trying to explain to the Ramblin' Man.

So how about a little LWE love? It lost by only 1 point to a not-depleted OPRF team, and its only other loss was to the team that should really be the #1 team (albeit, the loss was pretty bad).

Unfortunately, lwe had to win a big game if they want to be ranked. The panel loves lwe and regularly slots them. However, to move lwe in, who would you move out... then how wld you separate lwe from dvc teams that do have a quality win?

They are not out of sight, probably around 14 for me.

I think lwe will show well in the playoffs, but with two loses, just not enough there for a top ten.

Lwe needs to score more, that is their ptoblem...just cant get enough points. Compare them to all the others.

 

[pjjp]

Here's how I see H-F. I wondered if anyone could slow down their offense. LWE did that. Of the 28 points H-F scored against LWE, one was on a defensive TD (69-yard fumble return for a TD). Also, on the following possession, LWE fumbled the kick off. H-F recovered on the LWE 33-yard-line and scored. That means H-F had two other offensive TD's.

IMO, both Loyola and GBW have better defenses than LWE. At worst, they are at least as good. However, both have much better offenses. If LWE could hold H-F to 3 offensive TD's, I think either GBW or Loyola could do at least as well. I also believe they both would have much more success against the H-F defense, although I do believe H-F's defense is improved from the Stevenson game.

What conclusions can be drawn if one accepts the above assertions? Both Loyola and GBW should be ranked ahead of H-F.

 

[Goomlah]

I haven't ranked ND yet either. Trust me if they had beaten Marist I would have been tempted,..

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

What's so impressive about GW's "quality" wins again?

You can start with the fact that GW has played and defeated three undefeated teams in their last three games and go from there. Add in lopsided wins over the Brook and Hinsdale South to start the season, and the preponderance of evidence justifying their high ranking becomes too hard to ignore. Let me turn the question on you: What about the GW experience so far this year has not been impressive?

The same could be asked about Loyola, right? Scratch a little deeper and its "quality" wins might not be, as Gooms was trying to explain to the Ramblin' Man.

What's not quality about the Rice win? As for MS, they are 5-2 with their losses coming at the hands of Montini and Loyola, both of which are ranked in the DSR. Sure, they didn't blow out GBS and NT like they usually do, but NT is not usually 6-1 at this time of the season either.

So how about a little LWE love? It lost by only 1 point to a not-depleted OPRF team, and its only other loss was to the team that should really be the #1 team (albeit, the loss was pretty bad).

You want some LWE love? Tell you what I'm gonna do. I'll give them all the love a 5-2 team deserves. Among all the 5-2 teams, I put the Griffins at #1 and MS #2.. Happy?

 

[godfthr53]

You can start with the fact that GW has played and defeated three undefeated teams in their last three games and go from there. Add in lopsided wins over the Brook and Hinsdale South to start the season, and the preponderance of evidence justifying their high ranking becomes too hard to ignore. Let me turn the question on you: What about the GW experience so far this year has not been impressive?



What's not quality about the Rice win? As for MS, they are 5-2 with their losses coming at the hands of Montini and Loyola, both of which are ranked in the DSR. Sure, they didn't blow out GBS and NT like they usually do, but NT is not usually 6-1 at this time of the season either.



You want some LWE love? Tell you what I'm gonna do. I'll give them all the love a 5-2 team deserves. Among all the 5-2 teams, I put the Griffins at #1 and MS #2.. Happy?

No 5-2 Naz Love?

 

[Cross Bones]

Here's how I see H-F. I wondered if anyone could slow down their offense. LWE did that. Of the 28 points H-F scored against LWE, one was on a defensive TD (69-yard fumble return for a TD). Also, on the following possession, LWE fumbled the kick off. H-F recovered on the LWE 33-yard-line and scored. That means H-F had two other offensive TD's.

IMO, both Loyola and GBW have better defenses than LWE. At worst, they are at least as good. However, both have much better offenses. If LWE could hold H-F to 3 offensive TD's, I think either GBW or Loyola could do at least as well. I also believe they both would have much more success against the H-F defense, although I do believe H-F's defense is improved from the Stevenson game.

What conclusions can be drawn if one accepts the above assertions? Both Loyola and GBW should be ranked ahead of H-F.

I'll tell you I disagree. Zvonar is by far the top coach in conference. He regularly beats teams when he shouldn't and makes it close when he shouldn't. Example being last season, in all honesty physically LWE was the 3rd best team in the SWSB, but they won. They simply don't lose to conference opponents regardless of who is supposed to be better. The fact HF put that type of conference loss on LWE speaks volumes to me.

It's like LWE has mind control over Deebo.

I expect the points to start rolling in from week 9-13. LA will put up a formidable test for them though. I'll definitely be in front of the TV for that one. If it comes before then I'll be there.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

No 5-2 Naz Love?

Naz is 2-2 in their last four games. They have one win all season against a team with a current winning record. That meltdown against MCC hurts. MCC getting killed by JCA and ND hurts even more. I sure wouldn't put Naz ahead of LWE or MS.