Data Centers

[unctarheel1984]

Is it possible to discuss the benefit and burden of these massive data centers without it becoming political?

I see so much against, but it’s all anecdotal opinion and unsourced claims. Where are the actual studies proving environmental damage, poisoned water, etc. With hundreds already in operation it would seem fairly simple to start counting dead bodies in places like Loudoun County, Virginia, for example. Are those places really becoming unlivable hell holes or not?

 

[kik84]

We need to incentivize AI growth and build-out. We can't cede AI supremacy to China.

 

[mpaer]

There are places that want Data centers Let them have them
At this point they need to devlop a power supply and water supply that does not suck up everyone else's normal supply

 

[THEericstrattonrushchairman]

Many data centers are located in areas without a lot of water. Data centers need a lot of water

 

[Icthyphile]

Is it possible to discuss the benefit and burden of these massive data centers without it becoming political?

I see so much against, but it’s all anecdotal opinion and unsourced claims. Where are the actual studies proving environmental damage, poisoned water, etc. With hundreds already in operation it would seem fairly simple to start counting dead bodies in places like Loudoun County, Virginia, for example. Are those places really becoming unlivable hell holes or not?

There is already quite a bit of data available on the negative impacts. Here three of the studies.

Rising Emissions, Depleting Water and Vanishing Land—UN Scientists: AI Is Threatening Natural Resources for Billions

By 2030, AI's water use will match the needs of 1.3 billion people while its power use triples that of 650 million, UN University investigation warns

unu.edu

The environmental footprint of data centers in the United States | Energy Analysis Division

energyanalysis.lbl.gov

Data Drain: The Land and Water Impacts of the AI Boom - Lincoln Institute of Land Policy

Communities across the US are wooing data centers with tax breaks and other incentives. But data centers are resource-ravenous, creating demands for land, water, and power that many host communities are not prepared to meet.

www.lincolninst.edu

 

[Icthyphile]

We need to incentivize AI growth and build-out. We can't cede AI supremacy to China.

It’s probably inevitable. They’re already way ahead of us on renewable energy. Having said that, they’re still the worlds largest consumer of coal accounting for more than half of the worlds coal usage. They’ve got a pretty dismal record of natural resource conservation.

 

[unctarheel1984]

There is already quite a bit of data available on the negative impacts. Here three of the studies.

Rising Emissions, Depleting Water and Vanishing Land—UN Scientists: AI Is Threatening Natural Resources for Billions

By 2030, AI's water use will match the needs of 1.3 billion people while its power use triples that of 650 million, UN University investigation warns

unu.edu

The environmental footprint of data centers in the United States | Energy Analysis Division

energyanalysis.lbl.gov

Data Drain: The Land and Water Impacts of the AI Boom - Lincoln Institute of Land Policy

Communities across the US are wooing data centers with tax breaks and other incentives. But data centers are resource-ravenous, creating demands for land, water, and power that many host communities are not prepared to meet.

www.lincolninst.edu

That was helpful. Thank you. I noticed the UNU article just came out today. Both were very informative.

 

[mpaer]

Once the billion dollar construction job is done
A data center has like 20 jobs
And typically the local county gives the data center a humungous tax break on their billion dollar building
We may need them-we just need to get structure where they pay their weight-and they no doubt can without harm to them

 

[Chamtrain]

My biggest beef is that Duke Power is raising OUR rates to pay for the build out needed to support them. It's wild that this is being allowed...

 

[mpaer]

My biggest beef is that Duke Power is raising OUR rates to pay for the build out needed to support them. It's wild that this is being allowed...

Well they raised our rates to pay for the Dan River pollution disaster ( Dan River, right?) Did not touch the shareholders. I saw what seemed like an educated talking head the other day discussing Utilities Commissions' approach. Basically the goal is to give a 9-11% rate of return . So Utilities are encouraged to spend more and more -there is little risk-they get a 9-11% returns?
I think Duke Power provides a great service-they know what they are doing. But the tradeoff for them having a Monopoly has been lost

 

[PINEHEEL]

Yeah, the existence of data centers isn't the real problem. Stop giving local tax incentives, stop asking us to subsidize their water and energy usage, and stop telling people it's creating jobs.

They're socializing costs (environmental and financial) and privatizing profits.