Dear Dems,
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Ecstatic! What a show this is going to be. The GOP has struggled to win national races for a lot of different reasons-their message and demographics being the prime reasons. And with the convention apparently going to be contested, this may be the end of the nuts controlling the GOP. They will get pissed and leave forming a new party splitting the GOP in half. Good luck winning the Presidency with that formula. I hate to help you guys but if you'd have thrown out the religious nuts and birther crew a long time ago, people wouldn't look at the GOP as a bunch of whackos.
I believe HC has won more states to this point. She didn't win Wisconsin. I don't think that a major blow to her. If she loses NY, it will be interesting to see how the super delegates split.
Hillary has 1749 delegates, Bernie has 1061. So while he's on a winning streak currently, he's still far behind and he won't win the giant states like New York and California. And unlike the GOP scrambling to keep the nomination out of Trump's hands (as if Teddy Cruz could beat Hillary), nobody on the Democrat side is trying to figure out a way to keep Hillary from being the nominee. Wonder why that is?
Exactly. EERS is just trying to start some drama on the dem side. He's got enough drama on his side...Trump...contested convention....no chance at the WH.
Am I wrong in understanding the Super Delegates can switch and vote for whoever they want at the convention?
They can, but HC is the establishment candidate, and the super delegates represent the party establishment. If you think back to 84, Gary Hart had momentum in that nomination process. Mondale got the nod because he was the establishment guy.
Not moot, since we don't know yet which way the super delegates will go, and they aren't required to finally declare until July. But if I were a betting man I'd say that probably 90 percent of them will stay with Hillary. And once again, Democratic leadership isn't pressuring Bernie to pull out that I've heard, nor is their hair on fire because Hillary has a big lead. And if the situation were reversed and Bernie had the big lead, they wouldn't be conspiring against him the way they are Trump. It's too bad that the GOP let the party be taken over by the crazies, otherwise there might have been a state governor other than John Kasich willing to give it a go.
Pretty sure Clinton has a lock on them, but we'll see. He's not even a registered democrat. My point was that the superdelegates are an integral part of the formula and it's meaningless to compare Bernie vs Clinton without them.
No, it's not. You remove the super delegates and the race becomes much closer. Additionally, look at their respective margins of victory.
And then she gets a pile of superdelegates, he doesn't and then it's game, set, match.
Very true. I heard Linsdey Graham say that they've given up on trying to win the WH, and this is now about saving the party.
Are they voting for the one they want to administer over the country or are they voting for their donkey without consideration for the country? What do they see as the major obstacle facing our country? Does their candidate have the ability to address the problems better than the current individual?
The dems are simply letting the system play out. Not sure what else there is to say.
If somehow Bernie were to win NY things could get interesting. As of now Bernie is not a threat.
It would, but I think she's got a 10 point lead here in NY. The political climate here isn't very Bernie.
It would get very interesting, but I guarantee that you wouldn't have Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi talking about how to keep him from getting the nomination. But when your leading candidate is an ignorant blowhard and the next "best" alternative is a neo-facist who wasn't even born in this country, I can see where a commitment to preserving your party might start to come to the fore. Republicans are seeing the party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Reagan heading straight for the cliff with Trump and the wheel.
Lindsey is my senator and am thoroughly surprised that he can speak without a string running from his mouth to Sen from Arizona's hand.
The "affair" was in the run up to the 1988 nomination process. I will say that my recollection of the 1984 isn't all that great. I paid attention, and I liked Hart a lot more than Mondale. I think the number of wins were about equal between the 2 in the primaries.
They don't have to. I don't think you are dumb enough to think that Bernie was ever thought to be a SERIOUS candidate. He was and still is nothing but a name on the Democrat ballots. Thats all he was ever intended to be. Cute ......but no real threat.
He may not be a winning candidate but he is certainly a serious candidate as witnessed by the number of primaries/caucuses that he's won.
Do you consider Trump to be a "serious candidate," or a sideshow? And as moe said, if Bernie's not a serious candidate, how is it that he's winning more than he's losing these days? Don't discount his appeal, especially among younger voters. I don't think he'll get the nomination, and if he doesn't, Hillary needs to find a way to draw the Bern'ers to her camp.
Hillary has been the "chosen one" the last eight years. Unfortunately for her Barrack Obama screwed up the plan in 2008. As I said, Bernie is cute but has zero chance. I liken Bernie to Alfred E. Neuman who probably would get just as many votes as Bernie. Bernie's supporters don't have a clue about anything,its nothing more than a fad. Trump is a sideshow act but the Republicans had no one waiting in the wings. Cruz....come on....has no chance. Jeb was a total bust and Kasich has failed to connect.
Contemporary joke - Gary Hart to Donna Rice: "I said lick my erection, not wreck my election."
For a bunch of folks who struggle t win national elections the GOP seems to have done OK.
Hahahahahahaha