Deep team next year- possible exits?

[sheyduke]

So I’m curious but will you all being saying the same thing about Alex next year? So because Bolden was the tallest player on his high school level , didn’t play much AAU and was said to need time to let his game develope coming into college by college scouts we are ready to dis miss him from Duke?
So I take it if Alex follows the same three year path especially seeing how a lot of his case is maturity on the court and overall strength some will be ready for him to leave as well?
There are already 300 names from D1 to D2 transfers in men’s college basketball. Some D2 moving up to division one schools.
Goldwire can play and some of his game is overall effected just like Boldens. Higher rated players coming in over him and waiting for his number to be called.
Many Forget Bolden was hurt his freshman year and played behind Carter and Bagley his sophomore year. He’s never actually started a healthy season or ended the season completely healthy. I’d like to see him back because I don’t think no one has seen what a healthy Bolden can do. Plus Javin is more of a pf and Hurt is rail thin.
I have a hard time seeing Baker reclassifying, loosing his red shirt just to see limited minutes his sophomore year.
Duke stays at eight we all know that however there’s no reason with the combination of youth and experience that any one averages forty minutes a game especially come February.

 

[CRAZIE4LIFE]

Geez, What's up with the Bolden bashing, I get he wasnt a superstar but the dude has paid his dues and stuck with program for three years when he could have bolted a long time ago. I'd be happy to see him come back.

 

[BNM79]

And bolden was playing great basketball before his injury

 

[nets on nets on nets]

Should we mention Bolden hitting 2 massive ft’s in the VT game and Javin missing both ft’s in the UCF game that probably should have ended our season...or na??

 

[chov1125]

It’s nothing against Bolden. He’s just not as good as Duke has needed him to be. We keep blaming his lack of progress on injuries. That’s being a Duke fan with blinders on. The only offensive move he shows is the left handed hook over his right shoulder.

I think he’s a good teammate, but wish he was a better player than he has been.

Not as good as Duke needed him to be? There’s plenty of serviceable big men across the DI country that play solid defense, set solid screens and can dunk the ball when around the rim and aren’t criticized, but rather appreciated. But Ques came in as a 5-star recruit and so unless he’s an all American he’s never going to be looked at as a positive. I think he was every bit as good as Duke needed him to be this year and I’m excited to see, if he returns, how his story ends.

 

[chov1125]

Doesn’t seem like there will be enough minutes for both Carey and Bolden though. So at this point I’m willing to take my chances with Carey.

And so going off your previous comment how is this not a veteran (Ques) vs one and done (Carey) thing again?

 

[hart2chesson]

I want Bolden back, don't think he will return though, think he's set on beginning his pro career a year early, just a hunch. Bolden leaving probably increases our Hurt chances though.

Who cares about Bolden on offense, anything he gives on that end is extra, especially given Carey is gonna be a monster next year. Bolden's defensive improvement and his ability to guard a quick dude 25 feet from the rim and COVER HIM stride by stride all the way to the hoop this year was AMAZING. I don't get the hate, his defense was really good (outside of occasionally fouling too much), and it's crazy to think he could still get better.

Plus....we really don't have a TRUE 5 without Bolden next year. Javin only played 5 out of necessity this year and also because he can't shoot further than 2 feet away. Hurt is nowhere near a 5.
Carey could play the 5 but we would be giving up a lot on defense.

Geez. We get amazing news that Tre is coming back and we're stuck on everyone transferring now lol.

Not stuck on "everyone transferring now" at all. I was just curious what the membership thought about exits, per our 10-11 legitimate players next year. In a perfect world everyone stays, but we all know its not a perfect world. I think in fact someone does leave for pros/international ball and/or transfers. 1 and possibly 2 players...I DO think Jwill makes good point, Ques leaving probably helps us land Hurt. OFC

 

[timo0402]

I don’t think Boldens status affects Hurt at all. I think Tre coming back was the clincher, however i do think Hurt is better off at the 3 than long stretches at the 4 bc of his lack of strength.

And to Gil’s post earlier about preferring Carey over Ques, i disagree from the standpoint that i would want the lineup to be:

Tre
2G (tbd)
Hurt
Carey
Ques

I think Ques anchoring the middle will hide the defeficiencies Of Hurt for sure and allows us to be a better rebounding team.

 

[SoCal_Dukie3]

sooooo ignoring Boldens injuries and complaining that “he hasn’t been as good as he should have been” isn’t having a blindfold on? Okay then lol.

He was clutch for Duke in more than few games this past year, yet somehow some lose sight because they expect 20/10 per game.

And Bolden doesn’t affect Hurt but even then, Hurt is more than a liability defensively so I’m not super excited about him.

 

[Mac9192]

Not as good as Duke needed him to be? There’s plenty of serviceable big men across the DI country that play solid defense, set solid screens and can dunk the ball when around the rim and aren’t criticized, but rather appreciated. But Ques came in as a 5-star recruit and so unless he’s an all American he’s never going to be looked at as a positive. I think he was every bit as good as Duke needed him to be this year and I’m excited to see, if he returns, how his story ends.

Keep telling yourself that. Just because a kid plays for Duke doesn’t mean they are above criticism. That’s the problem with some of you guys. If he was better, he would have already left. He’s had positive moments, just not nearly enough. That’s as close to a fact as can be stated.
Don’t confuse criticism with not liking or appreciating a kid. I didn’t rank him. But to say he was as good as Duke needed him to be is bordering on naive.

 

[CRAZIE4LIFE]

Some people want their cake and eat it too

 

[skysdad]

Keep telling yourself that. Just because a kid plays for Duke doesn’t mean they are above criticism. That’s the problem with some of you guys. If he was better, he would have already left. He’s had positive moments, just not nearly enough. That’s as close to a fact as can be stated.
Don’t confuse criticism with not liking or appreciating a kid. I didn’t rank him. But to say he was as good as Duke needed him to be is bordering on naive.

He's had some good moments and some not so good moments. Sometimes it seems like he was pre occupied by something and then again he would come up with a key rebound, a block or a put back slam. He at times has hit some key free throws and missed when we needed them. I like him. I'm glad he came to Duke. I hope he is successful in whatever he chooses to do. As far as next year I would welcome him back. I don't think he can to anything as a senior that would make his draft status any better so maybe he should go ahead and declare. It might even be best for him if he is not taken and be a free agent and hook up with a team that would start him in the G league. We've got guys in the NBA right now that went that route and are contributing. He is and always be a Dukie. OFC

 

[dukehokie]

Keep telling yourself that. Just because a kid plays for Duke doesn’t mean they are above criticism. That’s the problem with some of you guys. If he was better, he would have already left. He’s had positive moments, just not nearly enough. That’s as close to a fact as can be stated.
Don’t confuse criticism with not liking or appreciating a kid. I didn’t rank him. But to say he was as good as Duke needed him to be is bordering on naive.

Do you have that phrase copy written? You should. You’d make yourself a ton of money. Nothing @chov1125 or you for that matter said was rude or out of line. He simply gave an opinion which you don’t like, which is exactly what you did prior to that. So why the need to go straight to “just because it’s Duke, doesn’t mean they can’t be criticized?” That’s the phrase that derails these threads. You could have easily stated your opinion without that and the “if you believe anything other than what I’m saying, you’re naive” statement.

This is a Duke board. You will run into resistance when you criticize the players and coach. I’m not sure why you and some of the others who make the same arguments haven’t grasped that concept. No one is calling you out (until now I guess). I’m sorry I just get so sick of seeing good topics derailed by that phrase. Your opinion is fine and you clearly have the right to post whatever you want. Just do us a favor and just post without the extracurricular stuff. If someone comes after you and it’s unwarranted and I’m online, I promise I’ll defend you the same way.

Note: my gripe is not about your opinion, it’s about your statement of complaint about the disagreement. I didn’t even touch on the “that’s the problem with some of you guys” statement.

 

[Mac9192]

He's had some good moments and some not so good moments. Sometimes it seems like he was pretty occupied by something and then again he would come up with a key rebound, a block or a put back slam. He at times has hit some key free throws and missed when we needed them. I like him. I'm glad he came to Duke. I hope he is successful in whatever he chooses to do. As far as next year I would welcome him back. I don't think he can to anything as a senior that would make his draft status any better so maybe he should go ahead and declare. It might even be best for him if he is not taken and be a free agent and hook up with a team that would start him in the G league. We've got guys in the NBA right now that went that route and are contributing. He is and always be a Dukie. OFC

Great post Sky. Nothing wrong with anything you said, in my opinion.

 

[Mac9192]

Do you have that phrase copy written? You should. You’d make yourself a ton of money. Nothing @chov1125 or you for that matter said was rude or out of line. He simply gave an opinion which you don’t like, which is exactly what you did prior to that. So why the need to go straight to “just because it’s Duke, doesn’t mean they can’t be criticized?” That’s the phrase that derails these threads. You could have easily stated your opinion without that and the “if you believe anything other than what I’m saying, you’re naive” statement.

This is a Duke board. You will run into resistance when you criticize the players and coach. I’m not sure why you and some of the others who make the same arguments haven’t grasped that concept. No one is calling you out (until now I guess). I’m sorry I just get so sick of seeing good topics derailed by that phrase. Your opinion is fine and you clearly have the right to post whatever you want. Just do us a favor and just post without the extracurricular stuff. If someone comes after you and it’s unwarranted and I’m online, I promise I’ll defend you the same way.

Note: my gripe is not about your opinion, it’s about your statement of complaint about the disagreement. I didn’t even touch on the “that’s the problem with some of you guys” statement.

My apologies Hokie. I’ve taken a little offense at Mr Chov, who made a snide backhanded comment to me last week, in reference to him being a lawyer and my deductive reasoning capabilities, or something like that. Until then, I’ve never had any issue with him. So it’s amped up when he then says Bolden was everything he thought he should be.

I am pulling for Bolden by the way, and would love for him to be a good contributor his senior season, but if he decides to leave, I wish him well.

 

[df64]

I think it may be a mistake to look at Bolden and Javin separately. I want them both and I think Duke needs both of them. First, Carey needs more than just one other big.
Two, Javin is better suited against certain opponents while Marquese is better against others. They compliment each other. Saying that either frequently disappears or is a non factor in any one game ignores the fact that the other one probably was a factor in that particular game. I look at them as "one" player. One or the other gives us a solid effort most games. Individually, not so much. Together, I will take their contributions against 9 out of ten other team's starting center.
Three, depth. One injury to Bolden, Jav, or Carey and we are in big trouble. Literally.

 

[LouisiAaron]

Let's not act like Javin is better than Marques. Marques is definitely better.

 

[GillJET]

I don’t think Boldens status affects Hurt at all. I think Tre coming back was the clincher, however i do think Hurt is better off at the 3 than long stretches at the 4 bc of his lack of strength.

And to Gil’s post earlier about preferring Carey over Ques, i disagree from the standpoint that i would want the lineup to be:

Tre
2G (tbd)
Hurt
Carey
Ques

I think Ques anchoring the middle will hide the defeficiencies Of Hurt for sure and allows us to be a better rebounding team.

You don’t think that lineup is too big and slow?

 

[GillJET]

And so going off your previous comment how is this not a veteran (Ques) vs one and done (Carey) thing again?

If I have to choose one or the other, at this point I prefer a freshman Carey to a senior Bolden. If there is enough minutes for everybody or a lineup with both of them on the floor works, then this is all a moot point.

 

[chov1125]

My apologies Hokie. I’ve taken a little offense at Mr Chov, who made a snide backhanded comment to me last week, in reference to him being a lawyer and my deductive reasoning capabilities, or something like that. Until then, I’ve never had any issue with him. So it’s amped up when he then says Bolden was everything he thought he should be.

I am pulling for Bolden by the way, and would love for him to be a good contributor his senior season, but if he decides to leave, I wish him well.

I recall the comment but I have to be honest, I don’t even recall what it was in reference to. In no way was I trying to pump that I am a lawyer, it was context because my comment was about juries. Don’t be so sensitive about this stuff man, you’ve obviously been holding onto it for a week + now. I didn’t agree with the conclusions you made about a set of facts. Again don’t even recall the topic, but you have some hot takes from time to time.

 

[chov1125]

I recall the comment but I have to be honest, I don’t even recall what it was in reference to. In no way was I trying to pump that I am a lawyer, it was context because my comment was about juries. Don’t be so sensitive about this stuff man, you’ve obviously been holding onto it for a week + now. I didn’t agree with the conclusions you made about a set of facts. Again don’t even recall the topic, but you have some hot takes from time to time.

I did go back. It was about Cam Reddish not playing because someone, who doesn’t play for Duke basketball, was likely in his ear. That’s an extremely hot take, my apologies if I offended you for calling you out on it.

 

[timo0402]

You don’t think that lineup is too big and slow?

Possibly it is, but we’ve seen what Ques can do, he’s shown the ability to switch extremely well, recover quickly and extend off the floor either challenging shots or blocking them. I think it would be critical to have an anchor down there while Tre is up too pressuring the ball all game. Secondly, i really don’t want to see hurt at the 4 for long stretches bc i think he could get abused defensively. Carey can step out and clearly hurt will be on the perimeter as well offensively which should open the floor. I also don’t think we need 30+ min for Ques- he and Jav can split those 40 every night, giving us a lot of different options. I think him leaving though leaves us in a really thin spot at the 5, most glaringly on defense.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

I think it may be a mistake to look at Bolden and Javin separately. I want them both and I think Duke needs both of them. First, Carey needs more than just one other big.
Two, Javin is better suited against certain opponents while Marquese is better against others. They compliment each other. Saying that either frequently disappears or is a non factor in any one game ignores the fact that the other one probably was a factor in that particular game. I look at them as "one" player. One or the other gives us a solid effort most games. Individually, not so much. Together, I will take their contributions against 9 out of ten other team's starting center.
Three, depth. One injury to Bolden, Jav, or Carey and we are in big trouble. Literally.

great description of the two...sometimes you have to look at two players as 1, sometimes jav is better in a situation and sometimes quese is....together 35mpg 9ppg 10reb 1ast 2stl 3blk 67fg% 64ft%...not bad from one spot

 

[GillJET]

Possibly it is, but we’ve seen what Ques can do, he’s shown the ability to switch extremely well, recover quickly and extend off the floor either challenging shots or blocking them. I think it would be critical to have an anchor down there while Tre is up too pressuring the ball all game. Secondly, i really don’t want to see hurt at the 4 for long stretches bc i think he could get abused defensively. Carey can step out and clearly hurt will be on the perimeter as well offensively which should open the floor. I also don’t think we need 30+ min for Ques- he and Jav can split those 40 every night, giving us a lot of different options. I think him leaving though leaves us in a really thin spot at the 5, most glaringly on defense.

I still think there are not enough minutes to go around between Carey, Bolden, Javin, Jack and Hurt. I get the feeling one of those guys will not be on the roster next year.

 

[hart2chesson]

I did go back. It was about Cam Reddish not playing because someone, who doesn’t play for Duke basketball, was likely in his ear. That’s an extremely hot take, my apologies if I offended you for calling you out on it.

It is as you stated Chov an "extremely hot take." However that letting K know "less than 30 minutes before tipoff," was bizarre for sure after shootaround, warm-ups, etc. No J-Will fan but he did say K was as "shocked" as he ever saw him.

I must admit in the age of social media, and the vast number of folks these kids are exposed, Mac's "take" crossed my mind as well. Guilty as charged I guess as well...OFC

 

[acc hoops]

If Jack is not shooting better I think he stays on the bench. Really hope Hampton decides to play with Jones. If so I predict the minutes will be:
Jones 34
Hampton 30
Moore 26
Hurt 26
Carey 28
Javin 16
Bolden 16
Ellis 18
White , Alex, Baker or Jordan 6

I know K will shorten his bench but I think Bolden will try out for NBA and may be gone.

 

[christophero]

I want Bolden back way more than Hampton. I want experience next year. I'm sure Hampton is great, but let's see where some senior leadership and Tre takes us. I think we get 2 out of 3 of RJ< Bolden and Hurt. I want the last 2.

 

[chov1125]

It is as you stated Chov an "extremely hot take." However that letting K know "less than 30 minutes before tipoff," was bizarre for sure after shootaround, warm-ups, etc. No J-Will fan but he did say K was as "shocked" as he ever saw him.

I must admit in the age of social media, and the vast number of folks these kids are exposed, Mac's "take" crossed my mind as well. Guilty as charged I guess as well...OFC

We were all kids once, we all held back information out of fear because we didn't want to disappoint a parent, coach, etc. We didn't know how to tell them things and so we didn't, until we had to. If we had all waited a few days we would have learned about the tendinitis. We would have seen the various videos showing Cam in a brace and seeing the look on his face as he was about to head out onto the court. He looked like he was about to cry. My point is people are too quick to pass judgment and offer opinions without being fully informed. If we are going to err I would rather err on being loyal to our players than accusing them or the people around them of abandoning their teammates.

I didn't mean to renew this discussion, I will simply agree with your agreement that it was a very hot take, one I didn't care for. I am sure everyone feels some sort of way about every person's takes on this board.

 

[hart2chesson]

We were all kids once, we all held back information out of fear because we didn't want to disappoint a parent, coach, etc. We didn't know how to tell them things and so we didn't, until we had to. If we had all waited a few days we would have learned about the tendinitis. We would have seen the various videos showing Cam in a brace and seeing the look on his face as he was about to head out onto the court. He looked like he was about to cry. My point is people are too quick to pass judgment and offer opinions without being fully informed. If we are going to err I would rather err on being loyal to our players than accusing them or the people around them of abandoning their teammates.

I didn't mean to renew this discussion, I will simply agree with your agreement that it was a very hot take, one I didn't care for. I am sure everyone feels some sort of way about every person's takes on this board.

Sure, just as I feel about your take......"One I dont care for."

OFC