Defensive Line Question

[BlueRattie_rivals]

I'm looking at the UK Roster and I see something pretty typical for a team that spends most of the game with a three man front:

• Standard 3-4 NT's: thick, big bodied, +330 lbs. run stuffers (Elam, Pringle, and Hyde)
• Standard 3-4 DE's: supersized DE's, around 300 lbs, strong enough to hold the edge, athletic enough to get in the backfield if needed. (Meant, Miggins, and Dubose)
• Standard 3-4 OLB's: Athletic freakshows, 235 lbs. with strength, speed and explosion, pass rushers that can play from a 2 or 3 point stance. (Ware, Allen, and Laster)

All of these guys fit neatly into the standard three man front defense. I can clearly see their roles in base packages, the nickle, or dime units. Then, I scroll a little further down the roster and see these names:

• Alvonte Bell: 6-5, 260lbs
• Kengera Daniel: 6-5, 260lbs

Judging by their size, traits, and what I've read about them, these two are classic, hand in the dirt, 4-3 defensive linemen. In other words, they don't fit our system--at least what I understand about our system.

So, here's the question: In your opinion, how will Stoops use these two in game situations? Schematically, where do they fit in?

 

[WildCard]

In a base 3 man front the 3 down linemen never play wider than a 4 tech (head up on OT).

In a base 4 man front there are usually 2 down linemen who do play wider than a 4 tech (strong DE in a 5 tech and the speed DE is often playing on air on the weak side).

IOW, the 3 DLs in a 3 man front are all playing techniques played by DTs in a 4 man front. So, yes, it is a good question...how do you effectively use a 260# DL who will be lining up nose to nose on a 300#+ OT? A lot of 3-4 teams like the Jack LB to be in that 250#-265# so they can drop him down on the line occasionally.

Since you can play at least 1 lighter guy in a 4 man front I have long said a 3 man front requires more "DTs" than does a 4 man front. And DTs are probably the hardest guys to recruit because everybody is looking for the same thing at that position.

The only thing I can say is that on obvious passing downs I would frequently put in my best pass rushers at all DL positions including NT.

Peace

 

[Deeeefense]

I'm looking at the UK Roster and I see something pretty typical for a team that spends most of the game with a three man front:

• Standard 3-4 NT's: thick, big bodied, +330 lbs. run stuffers (Elam, Pringle, and Hyde)
• Standard 3-4 DE's: supersized DE's, around 300 lbs, strong enough to hold the edge, athletic enough to get in the backfield if needed. (Meant, Miggins, and Dubose)
• Standard 3-4 OLB's: Athletic freakshows, 235 lbs. with strength, speed and explosion, pass rushers that can play from a 2 or 3 point stance. (Ware, Allen, and Laster)

All of these guys fit neatly into the standard three man front defense. I can clearly see their roles in base packages, the nickle, or dime units. Then, I scroll a little further down the roster and see these names:

• Alvonte Bell: 6-5, 260lbs
• Kengera Daniel: 6-5, 260lbs

Judging by their size, traits, and what I've read about them, these two are classic, hand in the dirt, 4-3 defensive linemen. In other words, they don't fit our system--at least what I understand about our system.

So, here's the question: In your opinion, how will Stoops use these two in game situations? Schematically, where do they fit in?

Meant & Middleton are DTs and play a 3 tech, Miggins and Bell play DE and are 5 Techs Different positions. Allen & Laster are SAM backer, Ware and Walker are Jack. Daniel is MIKE linebacker but I think they might move him around.

 

[BlueRaider22]

Wildcard's right. Most NT's are only 2 down players......it's rare to find someone that is a 3 down NT's. In passing situations its better to go with speed.

 

[lz]

Kengera Daniel beefed up some and plays DE, Kash is MLB.

 

[Deeeefense]

Kengera Daniel beefed up some and plays DE, Kash is MLB.

not according to the depth chart, K. Daniel plays behind Love at MLB - Kash is a redshirt candidate as it is right now.

 

[lz]

not according to the depth chart, K. Daniel plays behind Love at MLB - Kash is a redshirt candidate as it is right now.

No, sorry, Kengera is a 6-5, 260 soph DE, Kash is a 6-1 frosh LB per UKAA. Firios wasn't able to play Saturday, so Kash was #2 MLB...guess Kash could RS, but that's not the plan. Don't trust the Rivals' depth chart, RV feeds accurate info.

 

[TBCat]

not according to the depth chart, K. Daniel plays behind Love at MLB - Kash is a redshirt candidate as it is right now.

I understood that to be a misprint. The depth chart the Courier carried recently showed Kash 3rd at MLB and Kengera 3rd at DE.

 

[Deeeefense]

I understood that to be a misprint. The depth chart the Courier carried recently showed Kash 3rd at MLB and Kengera 3rd at DE.

OK - sounds like you guys have the best, and latest info.

 

[RV]

I'm looking at the UK Roster and I see something pretty typical for a team that spends most of the game with a three man front:

• Standard 3-4 NT's: thick, big bodied, +330 lbs. run stuffers (Elam, Pringle, and Hyde)
• Standard 3-4 DE's: supersized DE's, around 300 lbs, strong enough to hold the edge, athletic enough to get in the backfield if needed. (Meant, Miggins, and Dubose)
• Standard 3-4 OLB's: Athletic freakshows, 235 lbs. with strength, speed and explosion, pass rushers that can play from a 2 or 3 point stance. (Ware, Allen, and Laster)

All of these guys fit neatly into the standard three man front defense. I can clearly see their roles in base packages, the nickle, or dime units. Then, I scroll a little further down the roster and see these names:

• Alvonte Bell: 6-5, 260lbs
• Kengera Daniel: 6-5, 260lbs

Judging by their size, traits, and what I've read about them, these two are classic, hand in the dirt, 4-3 defensive linemen. In other words, they don't fit our system--at least what I understand about our system.

So, here's the question: In your opinion, how will Stoops use these two in game situations? Schematically, where do they fit in?

Miggins - 285
Bell - 260
Ke Daniel - 260
Carter - 275

All play the same position - DE, or more correctly RDE. UK wants all their players at this position to be in the 275 to 285 range but Bell and Daniel just haven't gotten there yet. Remember - Big Z played there at 265-270. Huguenin didn't get to 282 until he was a Senior. And yes, Bell and Daniel will be on the field in more passing down situations.