Define what you think an 'accurate passer' has to be?

[Doctor Doom_rivals422927]

Pat White was a great QB here, but not celebrated for his passing ability. He was 64.8% for his career and had a pretty solid TD to INT ratio. His first 3 starts he was never over 60%, but lit it up in the bowl game going 11-14. Rasheed Marshall was just over 50% for his career. Trickett was 62% for his career (FSU and WVU) and had a great start to his senior year before he got dinged including 4 games where he was OVER 70%.

Skyler was 50% for the year with the low point in the bowl game of 44%. He has yet to throw an INT in a game though which is worth noting. He threw the ball 40 times against Iowa State, so it doesn't look like Dana is afraid to air it out with him. With only 3 games under his belt (his first 3 starts) I'm still not sure what we have, but he looks promising.

What does he need to show you in order to be an 'accurate' passer. I'm asking for a number here so you 'he needs to hit the broad side of a barn' guys can just move on to yelling at the kids to get off your lawn.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

65% and not all completions on bubble screens like Pat

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

Year 1 as a starter
1. Dont throw the ball to the defense (incompleations are always better than interceptions).
2. See the field and take what is given until the game requires WVU has to take more.

this strategy can win more games than not

 

[14thPlace]

Pat White was a great QB here, but not celebrated for his passing ability. He was 64.8% for his career and had a pretty solid TD to INT ratio. His first 3 starts he was never over 60%, but lit it up in the bowl game going 11-14. Rasheed Marshall was just over 50% for his career. Trickett was 62% for his career (FSU and WVU) and had a great start to his senior year before he got dinged including 4 games where he was OVER 70%.

Skyler was 50% for the year with the low point in the bowl game of 44%. He has yet to throw an INT in a game though which is worth noting. He threw the ball 40 times against Iowa State, so it doesn't look like Dana is afraid to air it out with him. With only 3 games under his belt (his first 3 starts) I'm still not sure what we have, but he looks promising.

What does he need to show you in order to be an 'accurate' passer. I'm asking for a number here so you 'he needs to hit the broad side of a barn' guys can just move on to yelling at the kids to get off your lawn.

All I want is a player that delivers the ball in a way that it gives ours receivers the best chance at pulling in the ball. Timing is the most important part of the passing game in my non-expert opinion.

 

[eers1foru_rivals]

65% or above. And like one of the other posters said they can't all be bubble screens. And yes not throwing it to the guys on the other team is a big part of it.
Pat White's numbers passing weren't near as important in that offense as Howard's will be in Dana's offense. Pat White was basically expected to complete enough to keep guys honest on defense. It was not the main means of moving the ball downfield.
And even at 50% split in Dana's offense we aren't built to take 20-30 yard chunks in the run game like the Pat White lead teams did. The passing game is the main mode of moving the ball while the run keeps defenses honest. So using Pats numbers to as a beacon for the Air Raid offense kinda skews things.

 

[HailWVU1]

Pat White was a great QB here, but not celebrated for his passing ability. He was 64.8% for his career and had a pretty solid TD to INT ratio. His first 3 starts he was never over 60%, but lit it up in the bowl game going 11-14. Rasheed Marshall was just over 50% for his career. Trickett was 62% for his career (FSU and WVU) and had a great start to his senior year before he got dinged including 4 games where he was OVER 70%.

Skyler was 50% for the year with the low point in the bowl game of 44%. He has yet to throw an INT in a game though which is worth noting. He threw the ball 40 times against Iowa State, so it doesn't look like Dana is afraid to air it out with him. With only 3 games under his belt (his first 3 starts) I'm still not sure what we have, but he looks promising.

What does he need to show you in order to be an 'accurate' passer. I'm asking for a number here so you 'he needs to hit the broad side of a barn' guys can just move on to yelling at the kids to get off your lawn.

An accurate passer is one that completes passes that you would expect him to and by that I mean when the right call is there and the receiver is open he has to deliver a good pass. No one is expecting college quarterbacks to be Manning. Skyler can do what we need.

 

[mneilmont]

An accurate passer is one that completes passes that you would expect him to and by that I mean when the right call is there and the receiver is open he has to deliver a good pass. No one is expecting college quarterbacks to be Manning. Skyler can do what we need.

Percent, I could give a crap. I want to see passes that the good guys can catch and not the opposition. But, if you don't have some interceptions, you are not throwing the ball until the receiver gets adequate separation and then sits down. Some teams will be weak enough that you can do that, but conference teams are not that bad.

OP has already set the QB up to be criticized if the 65% completion is not accomplished for one of our posters. I will not put a target on the back with an acceptable completion number.

 

[WiiWii]

Pat White was a great QB here, but not celebrated for his passing ability. He was 64.8% for his career and had a pretty solid TD to INT ratio. His first 3 starts he was never over 60%, but lit it up in the bowl game going 11-14. Rasheed Marshall was just over 50% for his career. Trickett was 62% for his career (FSU and WVU) and had a great start to his senior year before he got dinged including 4 games where he was OVER 70%.

Skyler was 50% for the year with the low point in the bowl game of 44%. He has yet to throw an INT in a game though which is worth noting. He threw the ball 40 times against Iowa State, so it doesn't look like Dana is afraid to air it out with him. With only 3 games under his belt (his first 3 starts) I'm still not sure what we have, but he looks promising.

What does he need to show you in order to be an 'accurate' passer. I'm asking for a number here so you 'he needs to hit the broad side of a barn' guys can just move on to yelling at the kids to get off your lawn.

I wasn't concerned about it until the TAMU game, and what concerned me then was that he never adjusted even though he through consistently long. I have attributed it to him being juiced up about being in the game until then.

So what I want to see is for him to adjust to his throws during a game. If he does that, he will be fine.

 

[skygusty_rivals]

I have no criteria that matters. As long as he is the starter, it will mean he has the confidence of the coaches. If the confidence of the coaches erodes and someone else starts, I will assume that his performance was no longer clearly better than the next guy. It is more important to win, compete for the conference title and get in good bowl games. If he can do that and only hit 25% why would I care? He has proven he is accurate enough but not yet consistent enough. Get a receiver or two that can leap tall buildings and have hands like Spiderman and he could look like the best QB we have ever had.

 

[PaintedontheSky]

"Define what you think an accurate passer has to be", you ask???

Well, I say this this guy has to be......... [smoke]

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

Pat White was a great QB here, but not celebrated for his passing ability. He was 64.8% for his career and had a pretty solid TD to INT ratio. His first 3 starts he was never over 60%, but lit it up in the bowl game going 11-14. Rasheed Marshall was just over 50% for his career. Trickett was 62% for his career (FSU and WVU) and had a great start to his senior year before he got dinged including 4 games where he was OVER 70%.

Skyler was 50% for the year with the low point in the bowl game of 44%. He has yet to throw an INT in a game though which is worth noting. He threw the ball 40 times against Iowa State, so it doesn't look like Dana is afraid to air it out with him. With only 3 games under his belt (his first 3 starts) I'm still not sure what we have, but he looks promising.

What does he need to show you in order to be an 'accurate' passer. I'm asking for a number here so you 'he needs to hit the broad side of a barn' guys can just move on to yelling at the kids to get off your lawn.

That's a tough question. First, your comparison to Pat does have some confounders. As much as I love Pat, I don't think he would be effective in Dana's offense because his legs are not used as much. During Pat's first three years the offense was based on his strengths as a rusher and he had a way better O-line than what Howard has to work behind. Second, it depends on the quality of receivers and opposing defenses (both in coverage and pass rush). That 44% speaks volumes because the A&M defense played terribly. Multiple targets were wide open and frequently the throws were not made under duress and yet the passes were off by a wide margin. So I can't say a completion percentage number that shows up on a box score as I may find that number "accurate" in one game but not another. If there is a reasonable window (the receiver is not blanketed), the QB is not being hit, and there is a line of sight I'd think 75% of the throws should be catchable. Note, I think that should include passes on the run since Howard's mobility is generally considered an asset. Not much of an asset if it significantly hinders his primary function in the offense.

 

[SteelHeadEer]

Howard missed wide open receivers in the bowl game. He also missed seeing wide open receivers. I think the moment got to him and the juice of the stage was too big. Hopefully that will change now that he got it out of his system. I also think that he could possibly miss seeing certain things because of his height.

 

[Chazz Michael Michaels]

Pat White was a great QB here, but not celebrated for his passing ability. He was 64.8% for his career and had a pretty solid TD to INT ratio. His first 3 starts he was never over 60%, but lit it up in the bowl game going 11-14. Rasheed Marshall was just over 50% for his career. Trickett was 62% for his career (FSU and WVU) and had a great start to his senior year before he got dinged including 4 games where he was OVER 70%.

Skyler was 50% for the year with the low point in the bowl game of 44%. He has yet to throw an INT in a game though which is worth noting. He threw the ball 40 times against Iowa State, so it doesn't look like Dana is afraid to air it out with him. With only 3 games under his belt (his first 3 starts) I'm still not sure what we have, but he looks promising.

What does he need to show you in order to be an 'accurate' passer. I'm asking for a number here so you 'he needs to hit the broad side of a barn' guys can just move on to yelling at the kids to get off your lawn.

I'm hoping for:
1. decisive with the football (i.e., quick, accurate read to find the open guy or, if not, don't force it and see if there is room to run- he showed some of that vs. KSU especially. Skyler looked great vs KSU - amazing that he came in cold without playing in a game before and did that well (nearly 198 yds passing and 2 tds).
2.able to make the intermediate throws, especially 15-20 yard sideline / out throw that he wasn't connecting on in the Bowl.

Not worried about the "numbers" so much. If he can manage the game, make most of the open throws and limit turnovers, we should be ok.

 

[EERFox]

No one wants to say it but an improved offensive line will go a long way toward helping our quarterback and the offense. Give these passers more time and the numbers are going to improve.

 

[MikeRafone]

"Define what an accurate passer has to be?"

For WVU the standard has always been "Better than John Talley".