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[RepeatedCrown6]

You guys calling me a troll is funny. I'm a die hard rutgers fan and can run circles around most of you with my knowledge of football and basketball.

I'm not going to be politically correct some times and sugar coat things because NV or any other player is a "rutgers man".

You guys literally worship the ground these guys walk on and most of it is undeserved. Yea we've have some good and great players over the years.

But as a P5 team we can't be trotting out a QB who can't throw past 10 yards, can't make quick decisions (at least if he did than it would make up for lack of deep throws) and isn't a very good runner.

I want who ever plays qb to succeed. But I'm going to call it how I see it. He isn't very good and I can't possibly fathom how he's the best QB on the roster (not counting wimsatt)

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

You guys calling me a troll is funny. I'm a die hard rutgers fan and can run circles around most of you with my knowledge of football and basketball.

I'm not going to be politically correct some times and sugar coat things because NV or any other player is a "rutgers man".

You guys literally worship the ground these guys walk on and most of it is undeserved. Yea we've have some good and great players over the years.

But as a P5 team we can't be trotting out a QB who can't throw past 10 yards, can't make quick decisions (at least if he did than it would make up for lack of deep throws) and isn't a very good runner.

I want who ever plays qb to succeed. But I'm going to call it how I see it. He isn't very good and I can't possibly fathom how he's the best QB on the roster (not counting wimsatt)

Dude, you’re misunderstanding. Voice your concerns about play in a constructive and mature way. No one will have an issue with that. But you’ve been full bore insulting NV like 5th grade schoolyard bully. Stop being an *** and people won’t give you crap.

 

[Shelby65]

I think the angst is because we expect a lot more from an experienced QB and Gleeson. We have very talented skill position guys and even if the OL is weak you can scheme accordingly.

None of us would criticize Wimsatt for early struggles and a limited playbook but our offense is awful now and being 2-0 doesnt suggest any real chance at a respectable East division finish or a 5+ win season

 

[Colbert17!]

You guys put these kids on such an unearned pedestal.

Hes trash at QB

Its not putting someone on a pedestal and it's not about political correctness. Go head and puff up your chest about all you know about football and basketball and I'm happy that you have such a vast knowledge. Unfortunately you seemed to not be paying attention when your parents were trying to teach you some common courtesy and manners.
A "pile of waste"? Really? You want to call a college kid that because he isn't the player we all wish he was?
If your answer is yes you should be ashamed of yourself.
Please go over to the Syracuse or UConn boards. That's were the people with no class seem to congregate.

 

[JonathanAlan]

What Vedral does well that most coaches desire over any other competency is he doesn't make mistakes, doesn't force the ball into coverages and "runs the offense well." Net result is we're 2-0 and some of you can't enjoy that. Vedral needs a running game to complement his passing game and the O-line just doesn't get the push and the space necessary to open up the running lanes. What we saw at Syracuse is what we'll see most of the season --a very good defense , good special teams and an offense that reduces risk and mistakes and will put 17-27 points on the board.

 

[SCNJ]

Vedral isn’t great but what’s the alternative? I’m not in favor of burning a year of eligibility off Wimsatt when he/we probably aren’t ready and I highly doubt Snyder is going to come in and throw for 300 yards a game.

Vedral hasn’t committed turnovers. Until he does, there’s absolutely no reason to sit him. If you want to start calling out some of these players whose starting jobs could be in question, start looking at some of the OL.

 

[BillyC80]

Vedral’s decision making is way too slow. As a result, the RB’s are delayed on the option handoff. And the receivers are covered by the time the ball gets to them, or he aborts the throw. We need a faster thinker.

Just posted almost this exact comment in another thread, before reading yours. I agree with this 100%.

 

[nikoru09]

Artur is on a short leash at Illinois and most of his passes are safe ones .
As talented as he is, Artur has the type of flaws that makes his coach not trust him completely to open the passing game up for him to use his arm like his physical talent would call for
Noah doesn't have the arm to be the same type passing threat, but has the understanding of how to keep Rutgers in the game.
With a better run game , Noah's QBing would be complemented and play less conservatively

As it stands now,U QB needs to be trusted to not fold under pressure and that's something Vedal excels at while the Fighting Illini don't look like they trust Artur enough to open up their passing attack .
Sitkowski has the physical talent over Noah, but the mental aspect of the game goes to Vedral .

you win the common sense post of the day........art looks the part but just doesn't have it factor.....why? i don't know
if vedral had arts physical attributes. we would win six games
no sweat.

 

[Eagleton95.99]

Vedral had a good day. And to those who point out the lack of long throws, that’s on the OL who couldn’t give him time.

 

[RU#1fan]

When 80% of those passes are screens.... it makes it easy to throw a high percentage

This.
We are winning despite obvious QB severe shortcomings. With no mid distance passing attack { and Zero downfield threats} defenses will continue to cheat up and cause problems for the RU offense. Like Syracuse did and many more will do so this year. Right in front of me in the 3rd Qtr Noah missies a wide open Receiver on a wheel route for a sure TD. A 25 yard pass is not in his skill set.

 

[TommyGunn_rivals157283]

Vedral is the best qb on our roster given the O line limitations. That was true when art was here too. If we had an average O line I’d take Art over Vedral for sure, but that’s not who we are today. Vedral was under pressure all day, even when cuse was rushing 3.

 

[RU-Kidding]

This.
We are winning despite obvious QB severe shortcomings. With no mid distance passing attack { and Zero downfield threats} defenses will continue to cheat up and cause problems for the RU offense. Like Syracuse did and many more will do so this year. Right in front of me in the 3rd Qtr Noah missies a wide open Receiver on a wheel route for a sure TD. A 25 yard pass is not in his skill set.

Funny - I saw a 30 yard TD pass to Haskins yesterday.

 

[Knight Owl]

Crikey! At least Noah is smart enough to know that a four-and-out isn’t as bad as an interception because Aussie Rules will just trot out and spin a 70 yarder over the returner’s head and make it stop on the one yard line.

 

[RUHouston]

Its not putting someone on a pedestal and it's not about political correctness. Go head and puff up your chest about all you know about football and basketball and I'm happy that you have such a vast knowledge. Unfortunately you seemed to not be paying attention when your parents were trying to teach you some common courtesy and manners.
A "pile of waste"? Really? You want to call a college kid that because he isn't the player we all wish he was?
If your answer is yes you should be ashamed of yourself.
Please go over to the Syracuse or UConn boards. That's were the people with no class seem to congregate.

This.

I’m just an ex-bando who never played football but I enjoy these boards BECAUSE there are many who have played or are a helluva lot more knowledgeable than I ever will be. But when someone attacks a kid in the way OP did I’ll get very self-righteous and attack back.

I wish Noah was a Heisman candidate but he isn’t but there is one thing he is: A Loyal Son. Look up the word loyal. It isn’t synonymous with the word fickle.

 

[ScarletDave]

Let’s not forget Noah Vedral dropped a total Dime on the first play of the game right in Bo Melton’s bread basket for a touchdown, that Melton dropped right between his hands. But crickets there.

 

[Knight Shift]

Funny - I saw a 30 yard TD pass to Haskins yesterday.

He has a mancrush on Artie.

As others have said, RU and Noah took what the defense gave them.

Cued up, thrown 30 yards, clean, touchdown. You will not hear the haters of anything ever praise anything good about what they hate because it destroys their narrative.

 

[Dpgru]

Let’s not forget Noah Vedral dropped a total Dime on the first play of the game right in Bo Melton’s bread basket for a touchdown, that Melton dropped right between his hands. But crickets there.

And - threw a beautiful pass to JH that was called back for an OPI penalty. And - threw a 30 yarder for a TD.

He is not a great QB but to call him a waste product is just flat out dumb and classless.

 

[RUHouston]

And - through a beautiful pass to JH that was called back for an OPI penalty. And - through a 30 yarder for a TD.

He is not a great QB but to call him a waste product is just flat out dumb and classless.

That’s because facts are an inconvenience to the vitriol.

 

[GeorgeStreet]

I don’t know what algorithm Vedral uses on option plays to decide whether to hand it off to #1 Pocheko or keep it himself but it sure needs tweaking. Four out of five times he makes the wrong decision and our RB gets stuffed. Our OC Gleeson needs to focus working with him on such plays.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Schiano/Vedral Article—

https://www.nj.com/rutgers/2021/09/...html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

 

[Knight Owl]

I don’t know what algorithm Vedral uses on option plays to decide whether to hand it off to #1 Pocheko or keep it himself but it sure needs tweaking. Four out of five times he makes the wrong decision and our RB gets stuffed. Our OC Gleeson needs to focus working with him on such plays.

Actually Noah seems to be reading the edge setter on defense correctly. Syracuse just did a good job of getting a lot of hats up the gut to blow up Pacheco.

 

[JonathanAlan]

He has a mancrush on Artie.

As others have said, RU and Noah took what the defense gave them.

Cued up, thrown 30 yards, clean, touchdown. You will not hear the haters of anything ever praise anything good about what they hate because it destroys their narrative.

Before ACCN went to the Rutgers game , I was able to see the last few minutes of the Illinois game with Art at QB. What I saw was typical Art--he locked on to his primary receiver and never scanned the field to see if any other receiver was more open. Although his target had single coverage , he was not open and no completion.

 

[Knight Shift]

Before ACCN went to the Rutgers game , I was able to see the last few minutes of the Illinois game with Art at QB. What I saw was typical Art--he locked on to his primary receiver and never scanned the field to see if any other receiver was more open. Although his target had single coverage , he was not open and no completion.

I opened it up by stating Art's name, but don't want to make this about Art. Art was discussed to death in another thread. He does not fit the offense Gleeson is running, and that offense is RU's future. But haters for our QB and fanboys of RU QBs past will do anything they can to gush over and prop up an otherwise underwhelming performance. It's like the old days here when RU would lose a game, and some (maybe me) would say something like "we had a lot more yards on offense!" That may be nice, but winning matters.

 

[rob kight]

With all picking on our offense, we are not praising the how great the defense is playing and the takeaways.

 

[rob kight]

I agree the 3 mid range passes by Noah were good quality and should have been 3,TD’s instead of one. Also agree on the need to improve handoff decisions. But I wanted to point out one other thing- I noticed that Noah , with an empty backfield, does a fake handoff motion before turning around to pass. Seems pointless and a waste of a second?

 

[Knight Shift]

Since it is not otherwise available, here is Vedral's first past to Melton, which was a TD pass on a dime, but Melton dropped it.

https://ok.ru/video/2582717532729?fromTime=584

Vedral's "second" TD to Haskins in 1st Quarter, called back for offensive pass INT. Haters will not have anything to say about these throws, will they?

https://ok.ru/video/2582717532729?fromTime=644

 

[RUScrew85]

Vedral was fine today. He missed a couple of long balls, but hit everything else with no turnovers. Also, give some credit to the Syracuse defense. They're pretty good.

Also it was pretty obvious this was another Schiano close to the vest offensive game plan. He knew he could beat these guys as long as he didn't turn the ball over so he kept his QB on a leash. I think we'll see a more open O once the B1G starts. Or we're in for a long season.

 

[Knight Shift]

You guys calling me a troll is funny. I'm a die hard rutgers fan and can run circles around most of you with my knowledge of football and basketball.

I'm not going to be politically correct some times and sugar coat things because NV or any other player is a "rutgers man".

You guys literally worship the ground these guys walk on and most of it is undeserved. Yea we've have some good and great players over the years.

But as a P5 team we can't be trotting out a QB who can't throw past 10 yards, can't make quick decisions (at least if he did than it would make up for lack of deep throws) and isn't a very good runner.

I want who ever plays qb to succeed. But I'm going to call it how I see it. He isn't very good and I can't possibly fathom how he's the best QB on the roster (not counting wimsatt)

Links are posted above this post destroying your false narrative:
"can't throw past 10 yards and make quick decisions"
As far as isn't a very good runner, another false narrative.

 

[Pils86]

I root for Vedral and think he is a good game manager, decent runner and limits mistakes. I see weaknesses in his arm strength and this results in a fraction of a second longer to get to the quick out, he locks on to receivers (see the two video clips above) and I wonder if the decision making on the handoffs are a fraction too slow which allows defenses to converge on the same point. Can't help with the arm strength but I think coaching could teach him to look/pump a different direction before locking on the the primary WR. With the handoffs maybe they could sometimes try separating the qb and rb by 3 yards or so and it can be a quick pitch, slightly forward so if dropped an incomplete pass.

Then there is my usual mantra of having at least three receivers very wide on every play to clear things out. We are too bunched up for my taste and what I thought we were getting with a "spread".

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

D-bag trolls gonna troll...

morons and D-bags and trolls? why don't you take that crap over to your other board?

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Dude, you’re misunderstanding. Voice your concerns about play in a constructive and mature way. No one will have an issue with that. But you’ve been full bore insulting NV like 5th grade schoolyard bully. Stop being an *** and people won’t give you crap.

then call it both ways... morons? D-bags? trolls?

Vedral is not good and this protecting him is ridiculous. If GS wanted to protect him he should have played his backups last week for the entire 4th QTR letting them really run the offense.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Vedral had a good day. And to those who point out the lack of long throws, that’s on the OL who couldn’t give him time.

No.. it is really not. Vedral is indecisive and slow to react.. that's why he cannot properly run the RPO which has nothing to do with "time to throw". Cuse knew they wouldn't have time to throw and their QB threw anyway... but we cannot do that because Vedral cannot make the throws that a Big Ten QB should be making.

So many here said after beating Temple that there was nothing to worry about on the offense.. that we won by 49 points. This game showed those people were wrong. And those making up excuses for Vedral are wrong too.

 

[RU848789]

morons and D-bags and trolls? why don't you take that crap over to your other board?

If you don't think the OP was behaving like a moronic d-bag, trolling everyone with this thread, you're in denial - do you really think the OP calling our QB "trash" and the "worst QB ever" are ok? I don't and called it out and yeah, in case you're curious, I don't generally see this kind of crap on TOS, which is refreshing.

 

[mildone_rivals]

We play Michigan in 14 days. I don't think relying on defense and expecting to win the turnover battle is going to cut it against them.

I don’t beleive we’ll be using the same strategy then. The coaching staff is going to do whatever they think gives us the best possible chance to win. That might not be very pretty sometimes. Other times it’s more exciting. And while the coaching staff’s mantra is one game at a time, that’s not 100% true for the coaching staff who start the season with a plan for the offense that spans most of the season.

Was pretty clear the coaches didn’t want to use Vedral’s feet in the Sara game. But my guess is that they’ll give him more latitude to run in upcoming games, perhaps after Delaware. And if he runs, it’ll open another dimension in our O game. From player and coach interviews in preseason training camp, I also think the team has been practicing a lot of vertical plays. If I was the coach, I’d keep those in my pocket for when conference games start. No sense showing a lot of the offense too soon.

Basically, I think the team installed way more offense, in the preseason, than we’ve been seeing so far. Yet we‘re still 2 - 0 to start. To me, that’s smart coaching. Every edge we can get for the tougher schedule to come is a good thing.

 

[RUBlackout]

Vedral just needs to run more out of the RPO OR when the pocket is breaking down. He is holding the ball WAY too long and allows the defense to swarm. If he ran more the defense would loosen up

 

[mildone_rivals]

Why do so many of you feed useless trolls? They’re what ignore is for.

I don’t think people with a different opinion (one I don’t share, obviously) are trolls. Some might be, but some just have a genuinely different viewpoint and are voicing their opinions, even if unpopular. I like seeing different opinions. Be boring if we all agreed all the time, right?

Not that there’s much chance of that.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

If you don't think the OP was behaving like a moronic d-bag, trolling everyone with this thread, you're in denial - do you really think the OP calling our QB "trash" and the "worst QB ever" are ok? I don't and called it out and yeah, in case you're curious, I don't generally see this kind of crap on TOS, which is refreshing.

May be the worst qb I've ever seen at any level.

Makes Gary nova look like Tom Brady

That's what he said.. that is an opinion. Hyperbolic, yes, but an opinion. It is the over-reactions to that that lead to the back and forth where you ended up using "morons" and "D-bags" and "trolls" plurally to cover anyone doubting vedral. That's where YOU took the thread.

 

[Knight Shift]

We play Michigan in 14 days. I don't think relying on defense and expecting to win the turnover battle is going to cut it against them.

Granted they played Washington, but Michigan's vaunted 4-star QB, Cade McNamara was 7-15 for 44 yards yesterday with 0 TDs.
OTOH, Ohio State's QB threw for 484 yards and 3 TDs/1 INT against Oregon.

Whose fans are happier this morning?
(not Rutgers' fans).

 

[Eagleton95.99]

No.. it is really not. Vedral is indecisive and slow to react.. that's why he cannot properly run the RPO which has nothing to do with "time to throw". Cuse knew they wouldn't have time to throw and their QB threw anyway... but we cannot do that because Vedral cannot make the throws that a Big Ten QB should be making.

So many here said after beating Temple that there was nothing to worry about on the offense.. that we won by 49 points. This game showed those people were wrong. And those making up excuses for Vedral are wrong too.

Vedral isn't a great QB. He's mediocre and has some good games and not so good. But you are placing way too much of the blame on him. The Cuse D was on him right away on every pass attempt. You say the Cuse QBs were able to throw anyway in the face of RU pressure? What game were you watching? The Cuse QBs did not have a good game. And one of their attempts to pass downfield resulted in a strip sack that directly resulted in one of our scores. That's what happens when you force the deep passing game with no protection. With our defense dominating, it was predictable that GS would tighten up and put the emphasis on not making mistakes over forcing the action downfield. And it won us the game.

 

[new jersey1_rivals661559]

So you think he's competent?

Yes. But that’s not the point… which you are whiffing at.