Denzil Ware called players only meeting

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Until some of our "weak minded" talented defensive players decide to play 60 minutes of smash mouth defense, the losses will pile up over and over. Folks, until the coaching staff figures out how to turn these talented players into a mentally winning mindset, prepare to lose regardless of the coach.
 

catfando

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I heard it lasted 15 minutes. Long enough for Elam to gobble down two extra large pizzas and a pair of two liter orange fantas while Ware carried on about individual accountability, self-improvement and personal sacrifice.

Oh come on!! I'm sure those two pizzas were merely appetizers. Probably had an ice cream truck for desert.
 
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Young guys are tech crazy (facebook, instagram, Twitter, etc) how many times do you think they see negative stuff? Enough was said when half the stadium emptied out in the third quarter. The leaders are trying to rally the troops and ensure their heads are straight
 

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You really can't make this stuff up. There truly is no rock bottom for UK football. Just when you think you've seen every ounce of ineptitude from a program, we blow a 25-point halftime lead at home to a C-USA team, our "coach" can do nothing but apologize for the performance, and then the team has to call a players-only meeting after week 1. As a UK fan, even I have to laugh at this, so I can only imagine how comical this is to non-UK fans.
 
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merrimanm

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Probably plotting their plan for when Stoops throws them under the bus on Saturday.
Some of yall are unbelievable. Want to set there and fuss about a coach not holding players accountable, then want to fuss because a coach calls them out. Which is it? Ever heard Saban speak? What about Meyer, the great James Franklin. Or what about the two greatest coaches ever according to most here, Bobby petrino and Mike Leach? They call out players all the time. But let a coach here do it, and they are throwing players under the bus. When they don't call them out, then they don't hold the players accountable. Make up yalls damn mind.
 
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merrimanm

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You really can't make this stuff up. There truly is no rock bottom for UK football. Just when you think you've seen every ounce of ineptitude from a program, we blow a 25-point halftime lead at home to a C-USA team, our "coach" can do nothing but apologize for the performance, and then the team has to call a players-only meeting after week 1. As a UK fan, even I have to laugh at this, so I can only imagine how comical this is to non-UK fans.
So a player is trying to show some leadership, and that is a bad thing? Yeah, we have hit rock bottom. I mean, unbelievable a players tries to show leadership.
 

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He calls them out all the time. The other ones you mentioned, only do when it's justified. Stoops is always blaming the players. When fact is, he doesn't put them in a position to win. Like a 3-4 defensive scheme when we ain't an Alabama or such. Heck, he threw his OC under the bus last year. Only to get his arse kicked by him with less talent at a lower school this year. He's a decent recruiter and a good PR guy. But he can't coach or develop talent. Good coaches don't take long to get a program rolling. Herman, Franklin, Saban, Meyer, Freeze....
 

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So a player is trying to show some leadership, and that is a bad thing? Yeah, we have hit rock bottom. I mean, unbelievable a players tries to show leadership.

It's not a bad thing at all. The problem is that it doesn't change anything.
 

merrimanm

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He calls them out all the time. The other ones you mentioned, only do when it's justified. Stoops is always blaming the players. When fact is, he doesn't put them in a position to win. Like a 3-4 defensive scheme when we ain't an Alabama or such. Heck, he threw his OC under the bus last year. Only to get his arse kicked by him with less talent at a lower school this year. He's a decent recruiter and a good PR guy. But he can't coach or develop talent. Good coaches don't take long to get a program rolling. Herman, Franklin, Saban, Meyer, Freeze....
Hahaha!! You really said that the other coaches only do it when it is justified. What in the hell has to happen for it to be justified? Dropping g INTS that could change the momentum is not? Not playing with focus is not? When is it justified. I love the whole, "it's not the same" excuse. It is the same. Calling out a player is calling out a player.
 

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Hahaha!! You really said that the other coaches only do it when it is justified. What in the hell has to happen for it to be justified? Dropping g INTS that could change the momentum is not? Not playing with focus is not? When is it justified. I love the whole, "it's not the same" excuse. It is the same. Calling out a player is calling out a player.

Justified = lack of effort, Laying down, committing the same penalties over and over or committing unsportsmanlike penalties at the wrong time. Not dropping a pass that could have been intercepted. Not like he did it on purpose. I'm bet we won't win 5 games this year. Not because of lack of talent. Because of bad coaching.
 

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Justified = lack of effort, Laying down, committing the same penalties over and over or committing unsportsmanlike penalties at the wrong time. Not dropping a pass that could have been intercepted. Not like he did it on purpose. I'm bet we won't win 5 games this year. Not because of lack of talent. Because of bad coaching.
So did Jordan swindle mean to false start 4 times a game. That would fall under the repeated penalties you mentioned. Did he mean to do that?
But your right, the players have no responsibility here. It is all coaching. People need reality checks. Not every mistake is due to coaching. Not every missed assignmentioned was due to coaching. Not every negative is due to coaching.
 
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Basically i was remembering the players only meetings the past two years.. and also under joker... and we just keep losing and doing the same things. 2013 after Noel went down in basketball..... Coach Billy G years.. and Tubby's last years.. just the ones that I could remember that I personally heard about from the media.

I'm sure there are tons of meetings we dont know about... its usually a yearly ritual for leaders to hold players meetings before a season starts.... but usually we hear about them more when we're already struggling.... and thats when it seems they dont really help much. but thats just from the times that I personally remember...
 

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So did Jordan swindle mean to false start 4 times a game. That would fall under the repeated penalties you mentioned. Did he mean to do that?
But your right, the players have no responsibility here. It is all coaching. People need reality checks. Not every mistake is due to coaching. Not every missed assignmentioned was due to coaching. Not every negative is due to coaching.
It really is time to call out Jimmy and Joe when they aren't playing fundamentally sound assignment football. Coach says he is done being delicate. I don't fault him for being a bit so when he had a roster full of overmatched veterans and inexperienced underclassmen, but he has his team now, and recognizes it when he says it is time for folks to check their egos and get ready to listen to it when they are not performing up to potential. Frankly, most of all I saw a group of kids get too confident and relax too much, then proceed to panic when their casual asses started being disassembled for presentation. Did I see some coaching I take issue with? Yes, but mostly, I saw a lack of execution.
 

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Maybe Stoops should bring in that old sports psychologist guy Tubby used back in the day. That guy was money for about 3 games.

Now repeat after me...We're good enough, we're smart enough, and doggone it people like us.
 
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I heard it lasted 15 minutes. Long enough for Elam to gobble down two extra large pizzas and a pair of two liter orange fantas while Ware carried on about individual accountability, self-improvement and personal sacrifice.

Thanks for your valuable input. Unbelievable.
 

Blueaz

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Until some of our "weak minded" talented defensive players decide to play 60 minutes of smash mouth defense, the losses will pile up over and over. Folks, until the coaching staff figures out how to turn these talented players into a mentally winning mindset, prepare to lose regardless of the coach.
Hell, 60 mins? Baby steps...let's try to finish a half first.


Oh, by the way, I heard there was an ice cream truck at the meeting
 

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Not sure what the meeting was about, so won't comment and draw a conclusion off of an assumption; however, it shows me that DW cares and is being a leader for whatever reason. I love that.
 
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olblue

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A players meeting was called after the 49-0 drubbing of UK by LSU in 2006. We went on to beat UGA the next game and went like 4-1 the final 5 games to go 7-5.

But, you may be right - it may not help.

Link?
 

olblue

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So a player is trying to show some leadership, and that is a bad thing? Yeah, we have hit rock bottom. I mean, unbelievable a players tries to show leadership.

The fact that someone went out of their way to alert the press of this "players only" meeting can make one skeptical.
 

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Basically i was remembering the players only meetings the past two years.. and also under joker... and we just keep losing and doing the same things. 2013 after Noel went down in basketball..... Coach Billy G years.. and Tubby's last years.. just the ones that I could remember that I personally heard about from the media.

I'm sure there are tons of meetings we dont know about... its usually a yearly ritual for leaders to hold players meetings before a season starts.... but usually we hear about them more when we're already struggling.... and thats when it seems they dont really help much. but thats just from the times that I personally remember...

This post is spot on.
 

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So did Jordan swindle mean to false start 4 times a game. That would fall under the repeated penalties you mentioned. Did he mean to do that?
But your right, the players have no responsibility here. It is all coaching. People need reality checks. Not every mistake is due to coaching. Not every missed assignmentioned was due to coaching. Not every negative is due to coaching.

Speaking of reality checks. The coaches actually get checks - checks with a lot of zeros. The players you are throwing under your bus do not.
 
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This is why Kentucky football drives me insane. Here it is Wednesday night, and I'm already trying to rationalize how we can best Florida in my head after spending much of the last three days ranting like a lunatic about what a train wreck Stoops' performance was Saturday and that he needs to go. They reel me back in week after week.
I think we UK fans have Stockholm syndrome lol
 

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Until some of our "weak minded" talented defensive players decide to play 60 minutes of smash mouth defense, the losses will pile up over and over. Folks, until the coaching staff figures out how to turn these talented players into a mentally winning mindset, prepare to lose regardless of the coach.
You make good points. I'm starting to think Stoops has not changed the culture. At least not to the extent of them having a winning mentality. I hope he proves me wrong though. I really hope he does.
 
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I heard it lasted 15 minutes. Long enough for Elam to gobble down two extra large pizzas and a pair of two liter orange fantas while Ware carried on about individual accountability, self-improvement and personal sacrifice.
You know, it was Wild Wednesday at Mad Mushroom pizza with X-L 1- topping pizzas for $8.99 each. Makes sense!
 

merrimanm

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The fact that someone went out of their way to alert the press of this "players only" meeting can make one skeptical.
They didn't go out of their way to alert the press. It came from.another player (Love) during the media time after practice.
 

merrimanm

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Speaking of reality checks. The coaches actually get checks - checks with a lot of zeros. The players you are throwing under your bus do not.
What does that have to do with anything? And yes, they do. Do you know how much their scholarships are worth? What about their cost of living stipends? Or the money it takes to house them, feed them, and cloth them with free gear?