Did I sleep through H1N1 pandemic?

[gamecockcat]

It occurred from about March 2009 - April 2010, affected approximately 60 million Americans, about 250k of whom were hospitalized and roughly 12,000 died. Yet, while of course I remember hearing about it, I absolutely don't remember the hourly updates, the multiple articles in every paper, the panic, the quarantines, the shutting down of our economy, the confrontational and heated rhetoric from every corner. Did I sleep through it or was there a fundamental difference in how that particular pandemic was covered only 10 years ago?

Honestly, I remember a few news items and cautions but I don't remember it being anywhere near as hysterical as the coronavirus coverage. I don't know if COVID will prove more virulent or not and I'm glad we're taking it seriously, but the coverage and the US reaction to it vs the H1N1 is remarkable. Hell, the market was up 26% in 2009, so, evidently, Wall Street didn't react to a pandemic 10 years ago nearly to the same degree as it is today (of course, the Saudi/Russia oil dispute has driven some of the market decline, too).

What gives?

 

[WildcatFan1982]

You’re literally the first person that had this thought.

 

[cat_chaser]

Because H1N1 wasn’t man-made.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

I had H1N1 - I got sick for 3 days and it was over. This crap sticks around.

 

[Backer cutter]

Was kinda thinking the same thing. Thought maybe I’d been on a year long drunk and forgot. Either is possible.

 

[Ahnan E. Muss]

It occurred from about March 2009 - April 2010, affected approximately 60 million Americans, about 250k of whom were hospitalized and roughly 12,000 died.
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What gives?

So, with no social distancing or significant preventative measures taken, roughly 12,000 died here (fewer than annual flu deaths in the U.S.).

Without dramatic changes and preventative measures, covid 19 might kill roughly 2 million Americans.

That's what gives.

 

[buckethead1978]

Because H1N1 wasn’t man-made.

So many crazy takes since Covid19

 

[WildcatfaninOhio]

So, with no social distancing or significant preventative measures taken, roughly 12,000 died here (fewer than annual flu deaths in the U.S.).

Without dramatic changes and preventative measures, covid 19 might kill roughly 2 million Americans.

That's what gives.

Yep! Even conservative estimates have said we might expect 600k deaths.

I find it endlessly entertaining when folks pose these questions as if they are forearmed with facts. But it is quite clear that just a quick scan of any of the thousands of news articles about this and they’d have the answers to their ignorant questions.

 

[funKYcat75]

 

[Ron Mehico]

Trump just said 100,000 deaths would be a “huge and tremendous success” so I guess that answers that. That’s also with society shut down.

 

[ganner918_rivals60369]

12,000 Americans died in a year with H1N1

2,450 Americans died in the past week with Covid-19

 

[cat_chaser]

So many crazy takes since Covid19

Just bringin’ ya what you’re here for.

 

[Catfan in Tn.]

Trump just said 100,000 deaths would be a “huge and tremendous success” so I guess that answers that. That’s also with society shut down.

Pense needs to be giving the briefing, he is in charge of the task force isn’t he.

 

[The-Hack]

Trump just said 100,000 deaths would be a “huge and tremendous success” so I guess that answers that. That’s also with society shut down.

I wish he hadn’t put a number out there.

 

[The-Hack]

I don't know if COVID will prove more virulent or not

Your numbers quoted tell the story. H1N1 had a fatality rate of .02, less than one-fifth the more conservative estimates of Covid19, and the hospitalization rate did not threaten the nation or the world’s capacity for ICU beds or ventilators.

Additionally, H1N1 targeted the very young very disproportionately, posing far less risk to the health workers who battled it. Fifty one doctors in Italy have died in three weeks.

 

[Bill Derington]

Your numbers quoted tell the story. H1N1 had a fatality rate of .02, less than one-fifth the more conservative estimates of Covid19, and the hospitalization rate did not threaten the nation or the world’s capacity for ICU beds or ventilators.

Additionally, H1N1 targeted the very young very disproportionately, posing far less risk to the health workers who battled it. Fifty one doctors in Italy have died in three weeks.

We also don’t have the complete data on Covid 19. The death rate will drop as more and more are tested.
Which is one thing they didn’t do with H1N1, they made assumptions on how many it killed and infected.

 

[The-Hack]

Another factor that made H1N1 less threatening to the world in 2009 was the successful use of Tamiflu. I actually took it during the flu season that year, and it shortened and lessened the flu symptoms for me.

 

[Bill Derington]

Another factor that made H1N1 less threatening to the world in 2009 was the successful use of Tamiflu. I actually took it during the flu season that year, and it shortened and lessened the flu symptoms for me.

The main thing that didn’t was a lack of intense focus by the media. If all media along with constant update rates of infected and deaths is constantly on any disease, it becomes a lot scarier.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

It occurred from about March 2009 - April 2010, affected approximately 60 million Americans, about 250k of whom were hospitalized and roughly 12,000 died. Yet, while of course I remember hearing about it, I absolutely don't remember the hourly updates, the multiple articles in every paper, the panic, the quarantines, the shutting down of our economy, the confrontational and heated rhetoric from every corner. Did I sleep through it or was there a fundamental difference in how that particular pandemic was covered only 10 years ago?

Honestly, I remember a few news items and cautions but I don't remember it being anywhere near as hysterical as the coronavirus coverage. I don't know if COVID will prove more virulent or not and I'm glad we're taking it seriously, but the coverage and the US reaction to it vs the H1N1 is remarkable. Hell, the market was up 26% in 2009, so, evidently, Wall Street didn't react to a pandemic 10 years ago nearly to the same degree as it is today (of course, the Saudi/Russia oil dispute has driven some of the market decline, too).

What gives?

actually 18k people

 

[The-Hack]

The main thing that didn’t was a lack of intense focus by the media. If all media along with constant update rates of infected and deaths is constantly on any disease, it becomes a lot scarier.

True, but I cannot bash the media’s coverage.

This should be perceived as scarier.

No country in Europe reported more than 500 confirmed deaths from H1N1, with the UK at the mid-400’s.

The daily death toll in Spain, Italy and (now) France has exceeded their total from H1N1 for a full year.

Had our media ignored this, it would have performed no better than the Chinese Communist media, early in their outbreak. Had China had a real independent media, this might have been contained there, in mid-December, when a doctor went on Western media/internet to report it.

 

[AirRaidFreshman76]

Whether it's 12 or 18K whatever it was barely covered I was a senior in high school we joked about it. Media was never gonna put Obama under that kind of scrutiny when he just took office

 

[WildcatofNati]

Yep! Even conservative estimates have said we might expect 600k deaths.

I find it endlessly entertaining when folks pose these questions as if they are forearmed with facts. But it is quite clear that just a quick scan of any of the thousands of news articles about this and they’d have the answers to their ignorant questions.

600K deaths is not a "conservative" estimate. That's a ludicrous estimate. Probably not ludicrous if one is projecting the number of deaths for the entire world.

 

[Bill Derington]

True, but I cannot bash the media’s coverage.

This should be perceived as scarier.

No country in Europe reported more than 500 confirmed deaths from H1N1, with the UK at the mid-400’s.

The daily death toll in Spain, Italy and (now) France has exceeded their total from H1N1 for a full year.

Had our media ignored this, it would have performed no better than the Chinese Communist media, early in their outbreak. Had China had a real independent media, this might have been contained there, in mid-December, when a doctor went on Western media/internet to report it.

There’s covering it, and then there’s over the top, this is over the top.

Why should it be perceived as scarier? This is the reaction people had with HIV, it was behind every corner. We will never respond like this to another pandemic, because the result will be worse and longer lasting than the virus.

 

[The-Hack]

There’s covering it, and then there’s over the top, this is over the top.

I don’t watch much tv, but caught some on Saturday. I was surprised that Fox and all the others have almost constant displays of the numbers, like a sports score.

I guess given no sports and damn near no politics, they have nothing else to talk about.

Personally, I prefer to see the #’s at 10:00 pm each night on the net, w/o any filter or presentation.

 

[Rebelfreedomeagle]

H1N1 is a third world killer. First world healthcare was responsible for the lower numbers. Covid 19 levels the playing field - we're all screwed.

 

[The-Hack]

Why should it be perceived as scarier?

It should be perceived as scarier than H1N1 because they are stacking bodies in Lombardi, Italy and Spain like cordwood. If it does not happen here, as it has there, we can thank preventative measures for slowing or stopping it.

It should be perceived scarier than H1N1 because the President said a death rate 6 times the level of H1N1 should be considered a win.

 

[WildcatofNati]

H1N1 is a third world killer. First world healthcare was responsible for the lower numbers. Covid 19 levels the playing field - we're all screwed.

Actually, if COVID 19 hits the Third World in large numbers, the playing field is not going to be level, because quality healthcare will still be responsible for saving thousands and thousands of lives and less developed nations are in bad shape for sure (luckily, the tropical weather will hopefully weaken COVID 19 to the extent of preventing mass numbers of cases in the first place). With that said, the swine flu was hardly a "third world" killer. The statistics demonstrate that the France and Italy got the most case numbers and that the U.S. had a fairly high level of deaths per capita.

 

[Rebelfreedomeagle]

Actually, if COVID 19 hits the Third World in large numbers, the playing field is not going to be level, because quality healthcare will still be responsible for saving thousands and thousands of lives and less developed nations are in bad shape for sure (luckily, the tropical weather will hopefully weaken COVID 19 to the extent of preventing mass numbers of cases in the first place). With that said, the swine flu was hardly a "third world" killer. The statistics demonstrate that the France and Italy got the most case numbers and that the U.S. had a fairly high level of deaths per capita.

Actually, I used "is", not "was". Availability of tamiflu and ventilators is kind of an issue in third world countries.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

The main thing that didn’t was a lack of intense focus by the media. If all media along with constant update rates of infected and deaths is constantly on any disease, it becomes a lot scarier.

During the peak of the 2018 flu season in New York, on average you would expect to see the following on a daily basis:

• 122 heart disease deaths
• 94 cancer deaths
• 60 flu / pneumonia deaths
• 3 motor vehicle fatalities

That’s an average of 279 deaths per day in total across those four causes. The number of new deaths due to COVID-19 yesterday in New York was, coincidentally, 279.

So COVID-19 is now getting to the point in New York where it is killing more people per day than heart disease, cancer, auto accidents and the flu combined.

This is why FEMA is sending 85 additional refrigerated trucks to New York to augment the makeshift morgues that are already setup outside New York hospitals.

The reason there’s so much focus on this is because it is legitimately a serious issue worth extensive coverage.

 

[Bill Derington]

It should be perceived as scarier than H1N1 because they are stacking bodies in Lombardi, Italy and Spain like cordwood. If it does not happen here, as it has there, we can thank preventative measures for slowing or stopping it.

It should be perceived scarier than H1N1 because the President said a death rate 6 times the level of H1N1 should be considered a win.

No it shouldn't, we aren't Spain and Italy. Their numbers are astronomically higher than anyone else, they are the outlier.

Trump didn't say the death rate would be 6 times higher. Because we still don't know how many have or will have , and 100000 aren't going to die in the US from it. The H1N1 numbers are estimates, because no one got panicked over it so we didn't test everyone with cold symptoms.

Politicians are using this to get money for things they want, we're going to end up getting an infrastructure plan out the Coronavirus chaos.

 

[Bill Derington]

During the peak of the 2018 flu season in New York, on average you would expect to see the following on a daily basis:

• 122 heart disease deaths
• 94 cancer deaths
• 60 flu / pneumonia deaths
• 3 motor vehicle fatalities

That’s an average of 279 deaths per day in total across those four causes. The number of new deaths due to COVID-19 yesterday in New York was, coincidentally, 279.

So COVID-19 is now getting to the point in New York where it is killing more people per day than heart disease, cancer, auto accidents and the flu combined.

This is why FEMA is sending 85 additional refrigerated trucks to New York to augment the makeshift morgues that are already setup outside New York hospitals.

The reason there’s so much focus on this is because it is legitimately a serious issue worth extensive coverage.

Got some links for those numbers?

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

Got some links for those numbers?

CDC and IIHS.

 

[Bill Derington]

CDC and IIHS.

Are they using the same standard for determining death on Covid 19 as they did flu?

As for the refrigerator trucks, is that due to mass deaths or because funeral homes are not operating at full capacity due to the outbreak? Also, are families deciding to not have funerals at this time?

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

Are they using the same standard for determining death on Covid 19 as they did flu?

As for the refrigerator trucks, is that due to mass deaths or because funeral homes are not operating at full capacity due to the outbreak? Also, are families deciding to not have funerals at this time?

Perhaps you should keep up with the news a bit more.

The refrigerator trucks are due to the volume of deaths now and forecasted over the next couple of weeks. And that 85 is on top of the existing mobile morgues currently setup outside of the hospitals and on top of another 45 refrigerated trucks that NYC just acquired on their own.

In addition, the military is sending 42 Department of Defense Mortuary Affairs staffers to New York City to help the NY Medical Examiners office to process all of the deaths.

This is all due to a significant increase in the number of deaths occurring each day.

 

[Bill Derington]

Perhaps you should keep up with the news a bit more.

The refrigerator trucks are due to the volume of deaths now and forecasted over the next couple of weeks. And that 85 is on top of the existing mobile morgues currently setup outside of the hospitals and on top of another 45 refrigerated trucks that NYC just acquired on their own.

In addition, the military is sending 42 Department of Defense Mortuary Affairs staffers to New York City to help the NY Medical Examiners office to process all of the deaths.

This is all due to a significant increase in the number of deaths occurring each day.

I do keep up with the news, but again are funerals being delayed so bodies must be kept somewhere.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

I do keep up with the news, but again are funerals being delayed so bodies must be kept somewhere.

Funeral delays aren’t the issue.

Throughput and capacity of the morgues and medical examiner’s office is the problem. If it was only about holding the bodies until a funeral, then they wouldn’t require the military’s support to help process everything.

The existing capacity of the city’s morgues allows them to hold 900 individuals. I don’t know what NY’s models show, but the latest model from UW forecasts NY will have about 830 deaths on April 10th alone when they peak.

And that’s only the COVID-19 deaths. You’d still have all of the other deaths on top of that. Even with no restrictions on businesses or folks’ ability to move around, the volume of deaths would still be a major problem for NY to manage.

 

[Bill Derington]

Funeral delays aren’t the issue.

Throughput and capacity of the morgues and medical examiner’s office is the problem. If it was only about holding the bodies until a funeral, then they wouldn’t require the military’s support to help process everything.

The existing capacity of the city’s morgues allows them to hold 900 individuals. I don’t know what NY’s models show, but the latest model from UW forecasts NY will have about 830 deaths on April 10th alone when they peak.

And that’s only the COVID-19 deaths. You’d still have all of the other deaths on top of that. Even with no restrictions on businesses or folks’ ability to move around, the volume of deaths would still be a major problem for NY to manage.

Exactly, other people are dying still, funerals and funeral homes aren’t processing bodies. So bodies are piling up, they still must be kept somewhere.
You’re assuming it’s strictly due to Covid deaths, I’m stating it’s a 2 prong issue.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

Exactly, other people are dying still, funerals and funeral homes aren’t processing bodies. So bodies are piling up, they still must be kept somewhere.
You’re assuming it’s strictly due to Covid deaths, I’m stating it’s a 2 prong issue.

Funeral homes are still conducting funerals. They’re considered an essential business under Cuomo’s orders and have been running non-stop to deal with the deaths.

Particularly among certain communities, like some Jewish communities, who have strict beliefs that a body must be buried within 24 hours of death. Over the weekend, one funeral home ended up with 35 funerals by noon Sunday.

Again, you might want to start paying closer attention to the news. You’re making some wildly inaccurate assumptions about what’s going on up there.

 

[Bill Derington]

Funeral homes are still conducting funerals. They’re considered an essential business under Cuomo’s orders and have been running non-stop to deal with the deaths.

Particularly among certain communities, like some Jewish communities, who have strict beliefs that a body must be buried within 24 hours of death. Over the weekend, one funeral home ended up with 35 funerals by noon Sunday.

Again, you might want to start paying closer attention to the news. You’re making some wildly inaccurate assumptions about what’s going on up there.

Wildly inaccurate? What have I stated that's wildly inaccurate? So you don't think funeral homes are postponing funerals due to this?

https://www.democratandchronicle.co...al-homes-proceeding-amid-pandemic/2900874001/

 

[Ron Mehico]

What the hell point are you trying to make Bill, just spit it out. Otherwise your just posting wrong post after wrong post. No **** the media has blown it up, what the hell else do you want them to talk about right now? Society is literally shut down right now there’s nothing going on, and people are tuning in wanting to hear about it. Your like a millennial just whining but not offering a solution.