Disney jumping the shark
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Of course it does. If a male teacher mentions they went on vacation with their wife for spring break that's classroom discussion. If you think teachers don't discuss even the tiniest bit of their personal lives with students you're ignorant.
How about this?
Teacher: "Hi kids how was everyone's weekend?"
Kid A: "Great! My mom and dad took me to Disney World"
Kid B: "Wow sounds fun, my dads said they'll take me next month!"
That's a classroom discussion that mentions straight and gay sexual orientation. Happens every damn day in every classroom in this country.
Kid A goes home and tells his parents Kid B is also going to Disney World with their dads. Now the parents of Kid A can sue the school because they think it's an inappropriate discussion for their child.
I live and work in Florida. I'm a lawyer who represents businesses. My problem with this law and a few others (the vaccine passport one, for example) passed recently by the legislature is that they run counter to the traditional "pro business, limited regulation" philosophy of the Republican party in this state. The party is seemingly no longer business-focused, but is now engrossed in these "individual liberty" initiatives that interfere with people doing their jobs. And that says nothing of the image problems it creates for our state.
Totally ignorant! Never been a student or parent of students...so thank you for the update!
So kid A can sue the school because kid B said that? OR...
Would the teacher have to chime in and say "now kids, kid B has two daddys...do you know what that means?...discussion....discussion"
I highly, highly, highly doubt you are being accurate with that.
This is literally exactly the point. “Discussion” and “instruction” aren’t defined so all we can do is ask hypothetical questions. That’s the issue. No one knows what can and cannot be said. And instead of trying to assuage people’s concerns DeSantis mentions Harvey Weinstein and says anyone against or concerned about the bill are child groomers.
Don't think that is the point. I think the bill is regarding faculty commentary - your example is student conversation.
I don't think a public school would be sued for a kid commenting to other kids about religion, christmas presents etc. I dont think Florida schools will be sued for a student commenting to other students.
I feel like you people are arguing two different things. One group is saying that people should be allowed to mention if their gay/the gay word/show pictures of it or whatever. Another group is saying it shouldn’t be formal curriculum. Those are two completely different things. Where is the disconnect?
You really love calling people a bigot. Typical leftist.
Well here's some news, YOU are a bigot toward people who have a sense of morality that guides them to protect their children from sexual indoctrination.
Not long ago, we could all agree on the virtue of that. You leftists have so corrupted everything that now you see no limits to your behavior even when involving other people's children. Disgusting.
You’re reaching because you want the bill to be against homosexuals. In your scenario they could also sue over the heterosexual situation because the bill does not single out homosexuals.
The bill isn’t about homosexuals, it’s about it being inappropriate to teach kids under 8 anything about sex or sexual identity.
Of all the things to disagree about, this should be something everyone can agree on, kids 8 and under have no business being taught about sex or sexual identity in a god damn classroom.
Yes but the law does not make the distinction or specify what is not allowed. That’s one of the big issues with it.
There is a difference in replying to a child when asked about your family vacation and teaching children about sexual orientation and identity.
This is the left trying to gin up anger with a lie to increase turnout in an election year. The left has lost its fu*king mind because their policies are ****.
How do you figure? Not Teaching children about sexual identity or orientation isn’t complicated.
"Ask your parents" is a good response.
Show me text from the bill that defines “classroom discussion” and “classroom instruction”.
Why would you show pictures of "gay" whatever unless you were teaching it? That's a disconnect for me.
One thing about legislatures is that they are really bad at writing clear, coherent legislation. Keeps lawyers in business, I guess.
Lies from the media, Hollywood, Disney, the Democrat Party. That is the disconnect.
The law address teacher and schools "grooming kids K-3. It was a problem in Florida schools and the state addressed it in the legislature. But those opposed made it into something it wasn't. The word Gay does not appear in the new statute.
The vast majority of parents in Florida do not want their K-3rd grade children discussing transgender, homosexuality or lesbianism in those grades. They are the parents and they will take care of that issue.
But as you can see the LGBTHQFU lobby has to push their agenda and where better to push it than a 5 or 6 year old. The majority in Florida said no. Including Democrats
I would say it's a huge stretch to categorize that as a discussion of sexual orientation. I would also say it's a stretch to say answering a question about who is in a picture is a discussion of sexual orientation. After a male teacher answers the question of who is in the picture with that is my husband, if the kid then asks why are you married to man, then it becomes a discussion about sexual orientation if the teacher tries to explain that to a kid. The answer at that point should be we need to get back to work or you need to ask your parents about that. Identifying people in a picture or students talking about their parents isn't a discussion about sexual orientation just because some parents might be two women or two men. If you removed the gay parents from your example and the teacher answered those questions, no one would ever think that sexual orientation even came into play.
You have this exactly backward. Republicans authored and passed this bill to create an election year controversy, knowing they'd rile up the bigots in their party against the dirty ******. They do this routinely in election years, pass ****** bills like this to put the left in the position of either accepting legalized bigotry and discrimination, or step up and oppose it opening themselves to the lies the right will lob at them about them wanting to sexualize or groom children, thus riling up the gullible bigots in their base to make sure they all come vote.
LMAO if you think republicans needed to create a controversy in order to generate sufficient voting enthusiasm this cycle. Maybe you haven’t paid attention to the news but Dems are in for a blood bath this year.
Desantis is cruising to re-election regardless of this bill.
Ganner calling someone bigot means jack **** to me considering we all know what earns this nut's praise.
Oh, no! A far leftist who wants to talk about sex to my kindergartner called me a name. Reee. I'm so sad because I totally wanted his admiration.
Naw, he's oblivious. Republicans don't have to do anything because Dems have been a total disaster with everything they have touched. It's not Republicans who tried to mask you and your kid non-stop the last two years or force a shot on you or threaten your livelihood or put ridiculous restrictions on your business and school and events.
It's not Republicans forcing men on women's sports teams.
And that's ignoring the state of the economy, inflation, gas prices, supply chain, and the constant gaffes and threats by this joke admin.
Democrats unchecked are a **** show as you're seeing around the country (which is what it's normally like in California).
What is offensive about the language of Florida’s statute?
It's a bogeyman to promote fear in parents and as ganner said, energize the base. Only the ignorant believe that CRT or Gender Identity are subjects in lower elementary and pre-K classrooms. But rubes vote so this will continue to happen in red states.
Child grooming
Child grooming is befriending and establishing an emotional connection with a child, and sometimes the family, to lower the child's inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse. Child grooming is also regularly used to lure minors into various illicit businesses such as child trafficking, child prostitution, cybersex trafficking, or the production of child pornography.
^^This. And it was happening in Florida schools. Leon County parent January Littlejohn said she was excluded from making critical decisions affecting her daughter because the school did not inform her they were treating her daughter like a boy in school, assigned her a boy's name and insisted the girl use specific pronouns. The message was her input as a mother and her parental authority were no longer important.
Her daughter's female teacher was actively involved in influencing her daughter to transgender. Of course the child was advised not to tell her parents. This is only one of many examples of this in schools.
Another thing addressed is a school performing a medical service to the child without notifying and having permission from the parent. We all know what was going on with that.
We have seen all over America school districts who do not want parents involved in their children's school activity. The parent is shouted down in school board meetings and shut out of any parental authority.
Sure, how did the world find out about it? Why do people that don’t live in Florida up in arms about it? Because the left has pushed the lie of “ don’t say gay bill”.
They lied about the bill to get the crazies mad, it’s what they do.
Then the bill shouldn’t be an issue, glad we agree. It’s only an issue when people think it prevents the word gay, they think it’s about homosexuality, when it isn’t.
Are you stupid or just brainwashed?
What a far-fetched ridiculous strawman interpretation of a statute that does not exist. Why do you so desperately want teachers to teach sexual orientation and gender to Kindergartners-3rd Grade? What are you afraid of?
Not educated, that much is obvious. He has let a bunch of politicians arm him against a law that does not exist.
Nope, the bill is worded in a way that will absolutely open schools to lawsuits merely for acknowledging the existence of gay people. You're being lied to by politicians who are fabricating issues of "grooming" in order to elicit an emotional reaction in you, and you happily swallow the lies.
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