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It's fitting you use a phrase like "all the rage." All the rage is coming from conservatives making war on trans kids to score political points. I wouldn't think much at all about trans people except in response to all the rage coming from conservatives.

We're not the ones glorifying biological males competing against women in sports and calling everybody who doesn't accept it a bigot.
 

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It's fitting you use a phrase like "all the rage." All the rage is coming from conservatives making war on trans kids to score political points. I wouldn't think much at all about trans people except in response to all the rage coming from conservatives.
Trans kids? Stop it. Kids are way too young to consider that. It's absolutely ridiculous to say there's kids out there who want to change gender without someone putting that thought in their heads. I've never ever met a kid that even thought, "hey I want to change into a girl/boy right now."
 

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If you think teachers should be touching on these subjects at these age groups you are nuts. If you are a teacher and WANT to speak on these subjects to these age groups, you have an agenda.

Naked and Afraid had a trans on the other night and my son said "daddy, why does that woman have a beard"...who TF wants to field that question? Nobody in their right mind.
So, so much irony here.
 

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It's fitting you use a phrase like "all the rage." All the rage is coming from conservatives making war on trans kids to score political points. I wouldn't think much at all about trans people except in response to all the rage coming from conservatives.
It’s fitting you use the term “trans kids” like that is an immutable thing.
 
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It would be really interesting to poll the people frustrated with Florida’s bill - ukcatz, ganner, fact checker etc and see if any have children, been around them, know how they operate….they like imaginary friends, roblox, Minecraft, fortnite dances, princesses, bluey, ask to marry mommy and daddy…
 
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It’s creepy that people are repeating the ignorance that puberty blockers are no big deal.


It’s insane to say “I trust medical science” with regard to such a systemic treatment that’s relatively new. There is no way there is a consensus on it or full conclusion as to side effects. The more I think about ganners post the more outlandish it seems. And I’m not on a team and have no issues with ganner, but that’s just a really strange mindset to be completely behind and “100%” for a treatment like that already.
 

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It’s insane to say “I trust medical science” with regard to such a systemic treatment that’s relatively new. There is no way there is a consensus on it or full conclusion as to side effects. The more I think about ganners post the more outlandish it seems. And I’m not on a team and have no issues with ganner, but that’s just a really strange mindset to be completely behind and “100%” for a treatment like that already.
I remember when people said megadoses of vitamin E would be some great medical breakthrough. After some time, however, we learned such application of vitamin E resulted in increase risk of cancer. New treatments take time to understand.
 
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It would be really interesting to poll the people frustrated with Florida’s bill - ukcatz, ganner, fact checker etc and see if any have children, been around them, know how they operate….they like imaginary friends, roblox, Minecraft, fortnite dances, princesses, bluey, ask to marry mommy and daddy…
Exactly. I don't understand how anybody who spends like even 5 minutes with kids is ok with this
 
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The side effects and the safety of puberty blockers are not completely understood. There may be long- term risks that are not yet known. Science also informs that the great majority of kids suffering from gender dysphoria will identify with their biological sex as they go through puberty. So, halting puberty could actually prolong the hardships of gender dysphoria.
Puberty is a naturally occurring cycle in all humans, male and female. Why do we need to be blocking something that is so vital and important to human biology and anatomy. Science says you cannot change genders anyway. How is this not criminal? Altering children on a biological level is absurd and heinous.
 

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So does "facts not feelings" apply here or no? Study after study show no causal link between marijuana and other drugs. There's a correlation because marijuana is the easiest to find and most accessible drug. The exact same correlation exists with alcohol and nicotine, but those are both legal. There's a correlation because all three are easy to find, but there's no causation that shows marijuana, alcohol, or nicotine causes other hard drug use.
The facts are most people who abuse marijuana will move on to something stronger. It's a natural progression. I've seen it first hand for over 25 years. Weed, in very limited amounts and the right situation is probably not harmful to most people. But, we know that a greater percentage of the time people don't know when to stop. Same is true of alcohol. "If a little is good...more must be great!"
 

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The facts are most people who abuse marijuana will move on to something stronger. It's a natural progression. I've seen it first hand for over 25 years. Weed, in very limited amounts and the right situation is probably not harmful to most people. But, we know that a greater percentage of the time people don't know when to stop. Same is true of alcohol. "If a little is good...more must be great!"
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I'm old enough to remember when Disney World was all about the "boys and girls" of this country having a magical experience.....not being typecast as an "X" in a box.
 
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The facts are most people who abuse marijuana will move on to something stronger. It's a natural progression. I've seen it first hand for over 25 years. Weed, in very limited amounts and the right situation is probably not harmful to most people. But, we know that a greater percentage of the time people don't know when to stop. Same is true of alcohol. "If a little is good...more must be great!"
Not sure about “most,” but many of the people I assisted who were in recovery admitted that marijuana was their gateway. Today, more than ever, you cannot afford to venture to opioids. They are usually massed produced in Mexico and laced with fentanyl, or worse, and HIGHLY addictive, if they don’t kill too.
 

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I made the mistake of reading this thread from page 1 a few minutes ago. Got three pages in and realized 1) it has almost nothing to do with Disney, 2) that anyone who used the word 'grooming' actually has no idea what it means and 3) apparently no one has read the bill in Florida because if they did, they would understand that it actually only addresses gender and orientation issues. It does not outlaw the teaching of actual sex to K-3. Makes me really question their priorities.
 

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I made the mistake of reading this thread from page 1 a few minutes ago. Got three pages in and realized 1) it has almost nothing to do with Disney, 2) that anyone who used the word 'grooming' actually has no idea what it means and 3) apparently no one has read the bill in Florida because if they did, they would understand that it actually only addresses gender and orientation issues. It does not outlaw the teaching of actual sex to K-3. Makes me really question their priorities.

 
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I would pull my kindergarten kid out from that school if there was no opt out option.

I have a teacher friend whining about creating alternative assignments. And whining about needing their curriculum and assignments ready for approval in june..
 

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Lol was that a legit scene from an old Disney cartoon
No, it was an internet creation from like a decade ago that combined multiple pieces of a Steamboat Willie cartoon. You can actually see the cartoon it was taken from here.

It was originally posted to b3ta, a British website, here. The sign in the back says HSE REGS. HSE is the Health and Safety Executive in the British government (like OSHA), which wasn't formed until the '70s. So this cartoon cannot have been an original from the early days of Disney.
 
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Dunno, but they're similarly quite the curator of this ignorance coming from the radical left. One of your primary concerns as a parent should be protecting them from these people.
 

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It would be really interesting to poll the people frustrated with Florida’s bill - ukcatz, ganner, fact checker etc and see if any have children, been around them, know how they operate….they like imaginary friends, roblox, Minecraft, fortnite dances, princesses, bluey, ask to marry mommy and daddy…

First I'm not concerned about Florida's bill. I don't care because I don't live in Florida and never will. I don't care what they do.

Second I highlighted your post because you think it's appropriate to watch a trash television show where people comete totally naked with your son, but you don't want him to be exposed to any information about gay or transgender people. That's ironic, but whatever, your son is your son.

Third I have 2 children a 17 year old son and a 13 year old daughter. I personally have taught them everything I know about both topics because I want them to know what is going on in the world. I do not care what a school teaches them because due to our open and honest relationship we talk to each other about everything anyway.

I don't care what teachers think and teach, I just want my children to learn how to learn. They can ask me questions about things that they want my opinion on. Guess what? This may shock you, but my son has a history teacher that can't keep his love for Donald Trump out of his lessons. He literally brings him up every day and bad mouths the current administration everyday. He sounds a lot like some of you here. Am I up in arms about that because I personally think Donald Trump is a lying creep? No I don't care. That's his opinion and I want my children to be exposed to all opinions. I don't have a problem with everyone speaking out. It's healthy and should be encouraged even when I don't like and don't agree with what they say.

The funny thing is I am very free market and capitalism. I also am very libertarian socially. We should agree on a lot but most of you aren't true conservatives. Your this weird brand of authoritarian where you want everyone to do what you say and will not tolerate differences of opinion. Yes the same problem exists on the left. I don't care as long as you don't scrap democracy. Because we all get to vote to make sure you're not the ones in charge.
 
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13 pages in and we still have sickos defending the grooming of children with some seriously disturbed people

Honestly, what the **** is wrong with you. I can’t even describe how messed up you are. And if you’re practicing tribal politics and supporting these sickos because they have a “D” next to their name…ugh
 

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It’s really not authoritarian to expect a tax payor-funded school to teach the basics and avoid teaching tax payers’ k-4 kids about sexual orientation and gender dysphoria. And, it certainly is not the same thing as having a high school history teacher speak about their own opinions. My kids went to one of the most politically liberal high schools in Kentucky and their teachers and classmates expressed opinions. They were teenagers and could discuss whether they agreed or not. K-4 kids don’t have that ability when listening to teachers who they are supposed to trust. Paying a teacher to teach spelling and then getting upset when the teacher decides to teach your kid something else is not a conservative or liberal principle.
 
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Libs put politics into everything - especially the soup de jour of liberal issues. My church - which is comprised of like 70% conservatives - has its leadership taken over by libs. So now they are putting anti-racism training and pro-Ukraine stuff in everything we do. Clown show.

The lib soup de jour issue is handing your 6 year old a gay rights flag and telling them they might be transgender, and oh by the way, that's actually more special and wonderful than being a healthy, non-mentally ill kid.
 

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-so someone who equates nudity with sex (talk about archaic/puritanical thought) doesn't have issues with state employees talking about sex with 5-8 year olds because it is thier "team" talking point.

^nah...this has nothing to do with politics, lmao.
 

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-so someone who equates nudity with sex (talk about archaic/puritanical thought) doesn't have issues with state employees talking about sex with 5-8 year olds.

^nah...this has nothing to do with politics, lmao.
Does this bill stop those teachers from talking about sex with 5-8 year olds? Do you know that for a fact or are you going on what you've heard. Did you read it?
 

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Just so that folks understand this, there is literally no way to "Groom" a room full of kids. Grooming is a process that is one-to-one and takes place in secret over an extended period of time. It is not some kind of hypnotist act you would find on the Vegas strip. Anyone who is telling you this, is "grooming" you to be outraged, fearful and to vote a specific way. If 'grooming' is an issue that is so widespread that it requires legislative action, then why is there literally no data to provide evidence of a problem? Shouldn't we see rooms full of gay and transgender 5th graders parading through the schools in Florida by now?

I would also ask the question for those who are heterosexual. How much conversion would it take for you to suddenly turn gay? Is there some kind of chart that shows me the breaking point? Is there a person out there that has said that after they watched every season of Project Runway they suddenly decided to be gay? Ask yourself what it would take, and then apply that same standard to everyone else. If you think there is a point where you would turn gay, then you are probably gay. Or at least bi-curious.

The whole concept of simply mentioning something about homosexuality/transgender means that someone will suddenly run to embrace the lifestyle is just ignorant. No one has ever become gay because a teacher told them to. Just like you can't pray the gay away, you also can't glamorize the lifestyle enough to suddenly make people adopt it.
 

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Whose priorities?
Whomever supported and voted for this bill. Explaining gender and gender roles is somehow an issue, yet demonstrating, discussing or portraying actual sex is not? I am much more concerned about a teacher showing Heather's two mommies in action vs that teacher explaining why Heather has two mommies.
 
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