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They can take it away but the justification for taking it away needs to be proper. It can't be "we didn't like what Disney did." If Florida had legitimate concerns about the district, voiced those concerns during a normal legislative session, and provided a detailed impact study on what this would do to the tax payers of Orange and Osceola counties I would have zero problem with it.

It's funny you say the government is elected to serve the people. Show me a quote from any legislator showing concern about how the special district affected the people of Orange and Osceola counties. And then show me an impact study showing what dissolving it will do to the tax burden of those same people. You won't find either. Because this isn't a case of a government caring about its people.

If California ever does something like this to a company taking a conservative stance I'm sure you and I will be on the same side. But I think it's important to be able to have a consistent set of principles regardless of the players at hand. In this case the government action I oppose just happens to be from Republicans.

I'm not defending Disney. I'm defending a private party from government retaliation.
You never ever answered my initial question though. Why did Disney deserve to have this? Idc why it was removed. Find me a "conservative" company that has the same privilege. Then we can talk about if I take the same stance as you.
 
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And this was over time; that’s how the millionaires became billionaires. That and the .com boom, Windows, Amazon, and social media.
If they turned their Reaganomics millions into billions during the tech boom, then that was money reinvested in our economy.
 
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What a freak show opinion. Liberal governments attack Chic Fila because of something it’s owner does, but Disney as a corporation sticks its bill into the issue of education in Florida, an issue unrelated to it business interests, and somehow some dick thinks that the GOP wants Disney to discriminate? You have to be starving for bad fiction to believe that crap. Congrats!!
Decent example honesty. Remind me, which party has been giving constitutional rights to businesses for YEARS? Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.
 

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If free speech comes with consequences from the government, by definition it is not free speech.

If freedom to assemble and to protest on public property comes with consequences from the gov, is it freedom?

If walking through an open door (through which you are waved or pushed) is trespassing and worthy of months of incarceration, is it politically motivated prosecution or justice according to the law?

Is it freedom if you can be monitored, your phone tapped, your calls intercepted, your browser windows and history read in real time, your family stalked on their own land, neither unannounced nor invited, and then you, your family, your cattle, or your pets harrassed and shot there, without due process or recourse afte the fact, and the abuse of the court system brought to full bear on what remains of your life?

If you can be arrested and detained indefinitely by your own gov on foreign soil without due process, just cause, or actual charges, just because, is there really any gov of the people by the people and for the people?

We can do this all day and night...
 
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I'd be interested to see how Florida intends to finance this.

Also, there is going to be some pretty extensive litigation coming out of this that the Florida taxpyers are going to be footing the bill for.


To fund the government services of Reedy Creek, Disney effectively taxes itself. While the precise tax flows of Reedy Creek are unclear, Scott Randolph, the tax collector for Orange County, said the Reedy Creek district collects roughly $105 million annually in general revenue.

If the special district is dissolved, Orange and Osceola counties would have to provide the local services currently provided by Reedy Creek. And, the $105 million in revenue would disappear, meaning county and local taxpayers would be on the hook for part or all of the added costs.

“If you dissolved Reedy Creek, that $105 million in revenue literally goes away, it doesn’t get transferred,” Randolph said.

The reason: Reedy Creek is what’s known as an “independent tax district” meaning the tax revenues it generates are in addition to its local tax obligations, rather than a replacement of them. If the district is eliminated, the tax payments to Orange and Osceola counties would not increase, Randolph said.

But legislators and tax experts warn the bill creates an even larger potential problem for taxpayers in the form of bonds totaling more than $1 billion.

Reedy Creek has bond liabilities of between $1 billion and $1.7 billion, according to the district’s financial filings. Under Florida statute, if Reedy Creek is dissolved, those liabilities are transferred to the local governments — either Bay Lake or Lake Buena Vista, or more likely, Orange and Osceola counties.

If the liabilities of $1.7 billion or more are transferred to Orange and Osceola counties, he said, the debt could amount to $1,000 per taxpayer.

“If the counties are left holding the bag, the state might have to come to their aid,” Farmer said. “So it’s not even just a tax issue for these two counties. It affects every taxpayer in the state of Florida.”

Tax experts say that in order for the counties to collect additional revenue from Disney to pay the bond debt, the counties would have to create a new special tax district of their own. Even if they created a new special “Disney” tax district, the tax rate would be capped below that of the current district rate, leaving Orange and Osceola counties with Reedy Creek’s debt service but with less revenue to pay it off.

Scott Randolph, Orange County’s tax collector, estimated absorbing Reedy Creek’s liabilities could cost property owners an extra $200 to $250 a year in property taxes. That’s a rough estimate, though, based on Reedy Creek Improvement District’s financial statement and the assumption Orange County absorbs Reedy Creek’s liabilities.

Reedy Creek collects about $164 million in property taxes to maintain roads, utilities and other services, which is almost entirely paid by Disney.

If Reedy Creek were dissolved as it stands now, no other governmental entity would have the authority to collect that money, Randolph said.

“There is no windfall to the county,” Randolph said. “There could be a ton of expenses with no additional revenue to cover it.”

Governing Disney World and maintaining its surrounding property is a massive undertaking. Reedy Creek maintains 134 miles of roads and 67 miles of waterways, according to the district’s statistics. It handles 60,000 tons of waste and recycles 30 tons of aluminum, paper, steel cans, cardboard and plastic containers each year.

Sen. Jeff Brandes, R-St. Petersburg, questioned whether the Legislature’s effort would inadvertently help Disney financially.

“The assets include roads, which we would be unlikely to shut off,” he said. “A dump. A power plant, which we would be unlikely to turn off. A fire station, which we would be unlikely to shut down. So those assets, we would now take over the operations, the maintenance and support of, and Disney would be able to walk away from that ... debt.
 
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You never ever answered my initial question though. Why did Disney deserve to have this? Idc why it was removed. Find me a "conservative" company that has the same privilege. Then we can talk about if I take the same stance as you.
Because your initial question does not matter. You can keep asking it but it does not matter. Disney and Florida came to an agreement decades ago and it up until a week ago was deemed beneficial by both parties. So the better question is what changed? The only thing that changed was the GOP legislatures didn't like something Disney did. The Villages and Daytona Speedway have similar arrangements with the state. Why weren't those arrangements looked at?

This may raise property taxes in the two counties by 20%. The counties inherit about $1 billion of Disney's debt. They now have to share emergency services with Disney World. I would love to hear how this decision makes life better for Floridians.
 

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I'd be interested to see how Florida intends to finance this.

Also, there is going to be some pretty extensive litigation coming out of this that the Florida taxpyers are going to be footing the bill for.









Florida will figure it out. Don’t worry.
 

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Because your initial question does not matter. You can keep asking it but it does not matter. Disney and Florida came to an agreement decades ago and it up until a week ago was deemed beneficial by both parties. So the better question is what changed? The only thing that changed was the GOP legislatures didn't like something Disney did. The Villages and Daytona Speedway have similar arrangements with the state. Why weren't those arrangements looked at?

This may raise property taxes in the two counties by 20%. The counties inherit about $1 billion of Disney's debt. They now have to share emergency services with Disney World. I would love to hear how this decision makes life better for Floridians.
It does matter. You just don't want to answer it because it makes your narrative fall apart. It can be removed at any time, for any reason. Disney put itself into the situation. No sympathy from me.
 

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Florida will figure it out. Don’t worry.
Florida will figure it out by raising taxes in two counties. If I lived in Orange county I would not be thrilled about inheriting $1 billion in debt and potentially having my property taxes raised.
 

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Florida will figure it out by raising taxes on two counties. If I lived in Orange county I would not be thrilled about inheriting $1 billion in debt and potentially having my property taxes raised.
Lmao. Great. Orange County is liberal. Let them suffer. I don’t care. Cry more.

If I were Seaworld or Universal. I’d be pissed at the special privileges that a child trafficking company gets for tax breaks for crimes against humanity
 
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This is so incredibly selfish and a **** outlook on things. This is the attitude a child would have. Not to mention the conservatives in Orange County will be paying the same taxes.

I don’t care. Disney molests kids.

lmao. Wait till Ron DeSantis is in Disney’s Hall of Presidents at Magic Kingdom.

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And for the record, I'm not against dissolving these special districts. I always have and always will be against giving big businesses/rich individuals big financial breaks/loopsholes that allow them to skirt putting in their fair share of tax revenue. Advantages that aren't afforded to small businesses and less affluent individuals who could benefit much more greatly from these tax breaks.

I'm just opposed to the manner in which it is being done is all. If you want to eliminate, study the impacts doing it will have and come up with a plan before voting on it. Don't do it with zero plan just because you want to punish a company for not bending the knee.
 
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I thought Republicans were pro free speech as well? Now we have a governor taking legal action to punish a company for practicing their constitutional right to free speech.

So are you only pro free speech when it's the type of speech you like?
 
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I thought Republicans were pro free speech as well? Now we have a governor taking legal action to punish a company for practicing their constitutional right to free speech.

So are you only pro free speech when it's the type of speech you like?
Twitter, You Tube, Biden Govt, Hollywood, Big Pharma laughs at you.

you are in an anti-pedophilia thread supporting a company who supports pedophilia.

grab a mirror. You need one. You aren’t intelligent as you think you are.
 
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I don’t care. Disney molests kids.

lmao. Wait till Ron DeSantis is in Disney’s Hall of Presidents at Magic Kingdom.

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Then I would assume you're equally as concerned with Matt Gaetz and his friend and their underage sex trafficking and DeSantis' close relationship with them?
 
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You never ever answered my initial question though. Why did Disney deserve to have this? Idc why it was removed. Find me a "conservative" company that has the same privilege. Then we can talk about if I take the same stance as you.
Im guessing here, i was not in fl when their tax break, or independence, started. (I assume that is what this comment is about, sorry if incorrect on that, but i dont really want to read 19 pages to be sure.)

Regardless, i suspect they got the break because you have to understand where orlando is and what it was until disneyworld came in. It was mostly swamp land (hence the old joke about selling swamp land in florida). I bet the agreement was independence for development.

Now ... orlando is so huge and diverse, disney is no longer the only show in town (literally lol). So if disney leaves (which they wont bc the wx is awesome almost yr round), then ... meh. Im so glad my Gov had the cojones to make this move. Disney has betrayed their audience and image.
 

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It does seem like a spiteful decision, and reactionary to Disney's recent statements. But maybe local government feels that a company like a disney shouldn't be making whats essentially political statements and alienating half the country. It's a conservative state and right now it seems leaders are concerned with conservative values. If you ask me, Disney fired the first shot by making these statements that didn't really seem neccesary. It's not like trans and gays can't go to Disney, and it's not like their programing isn't becoming more progressive. Disney is doing what it feels like is important to them. But they also wanted to make a pointed statement aimed at Florida conservatives and republican officials.

So government said, fine, you're going to take up an unnecessary fight with us? Well guess what, no more special privileges.

Not that i like spiteful decisions like this.. but you could write a damn 1,000 page book on both parties and media members making spiteful decisions. Oh well.
 

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When my daughter was in third grade she learned about “figures of speech”. I guess you either didn’t make it to third grade or skipped that day.
“More lives than there are genders” is a figure of speech you cannot formally teach 3rd graders in Florida.
 

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It does seem like a spiteful decision, and reactionary to Disney's recent statements. But maybe local government feels that a company like a disney shouldn't be making whats essentially political statements and alienating half the country. It's a conservative state and right now it seems leaders are concerned with conservative values. If you ask me, Disney fired the first shot by making these statements that didn't really seem neccesary. It's not like trans and gays can't go to Disney, and it's not like their programing isn't becoming more progressive. Disney is doing what it feels like is important to them. But they also wanted to make a pointed statement aimed at Florida conservatives and republican officials.

So government said, fine, you're going to take up an unnecessary fight with us? Well guess what, no more special privileges.

Not that i like spiteful decisions like this.. but you could write a damn 1,000 page book on both parties and media members making spiteful decisions. Oh well.
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Im guessing here, i was not in fl when their tax break, or independence, started. (I assume that is what this comment is about, sorry if incorrect on that, but i dont really want to read 19 pages to be sure.)

Regardless, i suspect they got the break because you have to understand where orlando is and what it was until disneyworld came in. It was mostly swamp land (hence the old joke about selling swamp land in florida). I bet the agreement was independence for development.

Now ... orlando is so huge and diverse, disney is no longer the only show in town (literally lol). So if disney leaves (which they wont bc the wx is awesome almost yr round), then ... meh. Im so glad my Gov had the cojones to make this move. Disney has betrayed their audience and image.
That makes sense as to why it initially was done that way. Now though, the privileges can be removed.
 
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