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ukcatz12 said:
Because your question is irrelevant to the situation at hand. The reasoning for dissolving Reedy Creek is literally all that matters in this case. Members of the legislature have literally said they're only doing this because Disney spoke out. If Florida thought Disney having control over Reedy Creek was no longer proper they should have dissolved the district due to that.

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  • Scenario A: Florida dissolves Reedy Creek because it feels it no longer serves the purpose outlined in the charter.
  • Scenario B: Florida dissolves Reedy Creek because it doesn't like that Disney took a political stance Republicans disagree with.
Scenario A is perfectly acceptable and I'd have no problem with it. Scenario B I have a huge problem with. I couldn't care less if Disney keeps Reedy Creek or not. I don't care if they deserve it or don't deserve it. I care about the government retaliating against private entities because they don't bow and kiss the ring.

It's mind boggling to me that conservatives are supporting government action against a corporation because the government doesn't like a stance the corporation took. In no other instance would conservatives support the government retaliation against a private entity. You're only supporting this because you disagree with Disney about HB 1557.

The parties at hand are irrelevant. The bottom line is: Do you agree that the government should be able to retaliate against a private entity because the entity spoke out against a government action. For me the answer is absolutely not. I do not care if that private entity is Disney, or Hobby Lobby, or Chick Fil A, or conservative or liberal citizens.
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Another false flag and just more hogwash from the left. The bill Governor DeSantis signed involves a total of 6 districts in Florida that had special privileges. Not just Disney.

Eliminating these special privileges was long over due and Democrats in this state have made it an issue for decades. The problem was Disney has the most powerful lobby in the State of Florida and resisted the change so it never got to first base. Then some moron executive at Disney decided to attack the Parental Rights Act with all of the political clout and money the Burbank, CA company had to overthrow it. DISNEY STIRRED UP A HORNET'S NEST. Parent's, including Democrat parents went ballistic and demanded the State do something.

When Disney spoke out and declared their war, this gave the State Legislature the green light to act. Something Democrats had called for for years. Now they had Republicans on their side and it happened in a matter of days.

Disney is screwed. They have to accept this. They have no choice because the legislation was not targeted at DISNEY. Other districts around the state, six in total are also involved. They too had special privileges.

Another false narrative put out by the left is Orlando residents will have taxes raised. Again another lie and false flag the left is known for. The citizens of Orange and Osceola county or any Florida resident for that matter will not be paying a dime more because of this legislation. So lie and scream and cry bloody murder but DeSantis will do what the majority of Floridians want and that is make corporations operate under the same rules. No special deals. We have 22 million residents and we are not begging people to move down here anymore. We are not giving out special deals to get companies down here. If they are WOKE they are not welcome in this state. Even Democrats down here agree to that. They are parents too. Well some of them are, the rest are trying to figure out what sex they want to be today
 
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Another false flag and just more hogwash from the left. The bill Governor DeSantis signed involves a total of 6 districts in Florida that had special privileges. Not just Disney.

Eliminating these special privileges was long over due and Democrats in this state have made it an issue for decades. The problem was Disney has the most powerful lobby in the State of Florida and resisted the change so it never got to first base. Then some moron executive at Disney decided to attack the Parental Rights Act with all of the political clout and money the Burbank, CA company had to overthrow it. DISNEY STIRRED UP A HORNET'S NEST. Parent's, including Democrat parents went ballistic and demanded the State do something.

When Disney spoke out and declared their war, this gave the State Legislature the green light to act. Something Democrats had called for for years. Now they had Republicans on their side and it happened in a matter of days.

Disney is screwed. They have to accept this. They have no choice because the legislation was not targeted at DISNEY. Other districts around the state, six in total are also involved. They too had special privileges.

Another false narrative put out by the left is Orlando residents will have taxes raised. Again another lie and false flag the left is known for. The citizens of Orange and Osceola county or any Florida resident for that matter will not be paying a dime more because of this legislation. So lie and scream and cry bloody murder but DeSantis will do what the majority of Floridians want and that is make corporations operate under the same rules. No special deals. We have 22 million residents and we are not begging people to move down here anymore. We are not giving out special deals to get companies down here. If they are WOKE they are not welcome in this state. Even Democrats down here agree to that. They are parents too. Well some of them are, the rest are trying to figure out what sex they want to be today
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What propaganda will you regurgitate word for word next?
 
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Remember, it’s all about caring for the children
 
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“Disney is screwed” lol

Stock price still way high (still worth more than double what I paid for it many years ago!), and now they get to pass off debt and responsibility/cost for basic services like roadways, sanitation, etc. to the government. And Disney won’t have to pay any more taxes to do it…unless, you guessed it, they create a special district for Disney

 
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Guess what? Disney is like the rest of us. Don't you love those smiles.

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The biggest loss for Disney is the end of control. It’s a lot easier to ask yourself for permission than to go to the county. While they already follow all laws and building codes and they’ll still get everything they want, it’s going to slow the process down. Potholes might develop on roads that they no longer pave themselves. They can’t just call a meeting or alter their comprehensive plan on a random Friday. They also can’t quickly finance new public projects like a fire station.

The bigger issue for everyone else is the tax revenue. Disney already pays the same local property taxes as every other landowner. Reedy Creek added its own tax on top of that to pay for its projects. That tax – $163 million per year – is illegal outside of the district. When Reedy Creek goes away, that tax goes away, and Orange and Osceola Counties can’t do anything to get it back.

However, the counties will now be responsible for all of the services Reedy Creek provides and all of the debt it has accumulated. They can’t raise sales taxes or impact fees. So, the counties will have to raise property taxes to make up the difference. They must tax every property equally – not just Disney – and therefore it’s expected that property taxes in Orange County will rise as much as 25% next June. Osceola, much smaller and less wealthy, is still working on its figures.

Lawyers largely agree that the state followed all the laws while doing this. They agree Disney may sue, but probably doesn’t have much ground to stand on. Some believe a vote of residents or delegates from the district is required to make this legal. That doesn’t appear to be the case here because a vote was never held to implement the district 55 years ago.

Essentially, Disney will lose some control of its property, and get a $163 million per year tax break and ~$1 billion of debt passed onto taxpayers. Some things will be negotiated – Disney still controls Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, two actual towns within RCID. Lawmakers might backtrack from this plan during the next session now that they’re realizing what they’ve done. However, aside from maybe taking away the company’s ability to build a nuclear plant, we have yet to hear how this benefits Florida and especially the local residents in any way.

The residents, by the way, had no say in this vote, no say in their property taxes going through the roof, and no desire to have their communities staring at financial ruin thanks to 72 hours of orchestrated revenge.

 
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The biggest loss for Disney is the end of control. It’s a lot easier to ask yourself for permission than to go to the county. While they already follow all laws and building codes and they’ll still get everything they want, it’s going to slow the process down. Potholes might develop on roads that they no longer pave themselves. They can’t just call a meeting or alter their comprehensive plan on a random Friday. They also can’t quickly finance new public projects like a fire station.

The bigger issue for everyone else is the tax revenue. Disney already pays the same local property taxes as every other landowner. Reedy Creek added its own tax on top of that to pay for its projects. That tax – $163 million per year – is illegal outside of the district. When Reedy Creek goes away, that tax goes away, and Orange and Osceola Counties can’t do anything to get it back.

However, the counties will now be responsible for all of the services Reedy Creek provides and all of the debt it has accumulated. They can’t raise sales taxes or impact fees. So, the counties will have to raise property taxes to make up the difference. They must tax every property equally – not just Disney – and therefore it’s expected that property taxes in Orange County will rise as much as 25% next June. Osceola, much smaller and less wealthy, is still working on its figures.

Lawyers largely agree that the state followed all the laws while doing this. They agree Disney may sue, but probably doesn’t have much ground to stand on. Some believe a vote of residents or delegates from the district is required to make this legal. That doesn’t appear to be the case here because a vote was never held to implement the district 55 years ago.

Essentially, Disney will lose some control of its property, and get a $163 million per year tax break and ~$1 billion of debt passed onto taxpayers. Some things will be negotiated – Disney still controls Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, two actual towns within RCID. Lawmakers might backtrack from this plan during the next session now that they’re realizing what they’ve done. However, aside from maybe taking away the company’s ability to build a nuclear plant, we have yet to hear how this benefits Florida and especially the local residents in any way.

The residents, by the way, had no say in this vote, no say in their property taxes going through the roof, and no desire to have their communities staring at financial ruin thanks to 72 hours of orchestrated revenge.

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And much of what they do behind the scenes, just about all that will change is management (and whatever changes management makes, which who knows what that will be) and shifting the financial burden from Disney to the counties.

Perhaps they create a special district for Disney for taxation purposes. Disney will gain power out of that though. That power may not be codified, but they’ll get it.

Or perhaps the counties are able to work out an agreement to privatize some stuff, like the on-site stuff at Disney Parks like the fire stations, police stations, sanitation, etc.

It’s not unheard of for larger businesses to have their own law enforcement in some capacity. Some are actual police forces with the legal right to arrest and detain - think like college campus police departments. They may not be entirely privatized because they are real police certified by their governing district, but their jurisdiction is almost exclusively limited to campus and often operate largely as their own police station.

A lot of these behind the scenes things aren’t operations that generally generate enough revenue to cover the cost of operations, that’s why we have to pay taxes for stuff like fire, police, trash pickup, roadways, etc. And for some, to alter them to provide service for a larger area, say like water treatment plants or power plants, the cost to do that would be quite significant.

So honestly what benefits come from the counties taking on the responsibility for operating and financing these things? This is a pretty significant financial burden for them to take on. And what benefit does it provide to a random Orange County resident for Orange County to take on the responsibility of a water treatment plant for a plant that only services Disney, for one example?

This isn’t anywhere remotely like a county or city annexing new land to generate more property tax revenue out of land that they weren’t getting any financial benefit from except when people use services or buy products within the city. Disney was already paying taxes to the counties.
 
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I suppose you live in Florida so you do know WFTV is one of the most radical, liberal, crazy news outlets in the state. They have a history of throwing out scare tactics to anything a Republican does in this state.

This will not cost a extra dime to any Florida resident. Taxes are not going up. Universal Studios in Orlando does not have these special privileges. How do they make it and flourish as a tourist attraction.

The bottom line is you are concerned because Florida called Disney out as a peddler and promoter of child grooming, transgenderism of K-3 kids and declared war on our state. These false narratives you post from a left wing news outlet, WFTV are just words blowing in the wind. No one is paying attention to their garbage down here except the far left loonies.

Mamas and daddies pushed for this and they won. Oh did you know CRT is banned in Florida? That should have you yelling and screaming in the streets of Tallahassee.

The left better understand. Keep pushing your junk on the people of this state and more hammers will fall on your head. This man does not play games or run and hide. He acts

 
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I suppose you live in Florida so you do know WFTV is one of the most radical, liberal, crazy news outlets in the state. They have a history of throwing out scare tactics to anything a Republican does in this state.

This will not cost a extra dime to any Florida resident. Taxes are not going up. Universal Studios in Orlando does not have these special privileges. How do they make it and flourish as a tourist attraction.

The bottom line is you are concerned because Florida called Disney out as a peddler and promoter of child grooming, transgenderism of K-3 kids and declared war on our state. These false narratives you post from a left wing news outlet, WFTV are just words blowing in the wind. No one is paying attention to their garbage down here except the far left loonies.

Mamas and daddies pushed for this and they won. Oh did you know CRT is banned in Florida? That should have you yelling and screaming in the streets of Tallahassee.

The left better understand. Keep pushing your junk on the people of this state and more hammers will fall on your head. This man does not play games or run and hide. He acts

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Everything you just said is complete BS but K.
 
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TCurtis75 said:
Not BS since my entire HS had 100 people in it and my graduating class had 18.
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That was the point of the Laura Ingals reference. You attended a more recent version of a one room school house. You probably knew your teachers as neighbors or maybe attended the same church. Their children may have sat in the same Sunday School class as you.

You stated that knowing the names of your teachers spouses and children, while discussing vacations, etc... is not uncommon. I counter that your situation is unique and not at all common when compared to the experience of the vast majority of people.
 
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I suppose you live in Florida so you do know WFTV is one of the most radical, liberal, crazy news outlets in the state. They have a history of throwing out scare tactics to anything a Republican does in this state.

This will not cost a extra dime to any Florida resident. Taxes are not going up. Universal Studios in Orlando does not have these special privileges. How do they make it and flourish as a tourist attraction.

The bottom line is you are concerned because Florida called Disney out as a peddler and promoter of child grooming, transgenderism of K-3 kids and declared war on our state. These false narratives you post from a left wing news outlet, WFTV are just words blowing in the wind. No one is paying attention to their garbage down here except the far left loonies.

Mamas and daddies pushed for this and they won. Oh did you know CRT is banned in Florida? That should have you yelling and screaming in the streets of Tallahassee.

The left better understand. Keep pushing your junk on the people of this state and more hammers will fall on your head. This man does not play games or run and hide. He acts

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You mean like how he acts on stopping school shootings?
 
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ukcatz12 said:
Some of you just aren't getting this...

A government can dissolve a special district, or remove tax benefits, or whatever they want to do. But the reason for it still has to be valid.

  • Scenario A: Florida dissolves Reedy Creek because it feels it no longer serves the purpose outlined in the charter.
  • Scenario B: Florida dissolves Reedy Creek because it doesn't like that Disney took a political stance Republicans disagree with.
Scenario A is perfectly proper. Scenario B is not. I have no problem with the Legislature dissolving Reedy Creek if it had legitimate objections to it. Quotes from members of the Legislature themselves show they do not.

There were a handful of Trump immigration decisions that got overturned in the courts not because the Executive doesn't have the power to do what was done, but because the justification behind the action was illegitimate. That is what is happening here. Disney doesn't have the right to a special district, but to remove it the Legislature actually needs a legitimate reason to do so other than they don't like that Disney is "woke".
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I get what you’re saying but I don’t think some offhand quotes carry the weight you think they do.

I have read countless kinds of quotes from politicians about pending actions that are similar. Enough about big oil to fill a library.
 
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That was the point of the Laura Ingalss reference. You attended a more recent version of a one room school house. You probably knew your teachers as neighbors or went to the same church. Their children may have attended the same Sunday School class as you.

You stated that knowing the names of your teachers spouses and children, while discussing vacations, etc... is not uncommon. I counter that your situation is unique and not at all common when compared to the experience of the vast majority of people.
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Considering that I know many who went to the “other” HS in town with a couple hundred per class and they knew their teachers just as well. You may argue that it was a small town and that is why but there are thousands of small towns with the same situations. I also know many from larger cities that knew their teachers just as well. It’s much more common than you want to admit or acknowledge.
 
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Considering that I know many who went to the “other” HS in town with a couple hundred per class and they knew their teachers just as well. You may argue that it was a small town and that is why but there are thousands of small towns with the same situations. I also know many from larger cities that knew their teachers just as well. It’s much more common than you want to admit or acknowledge.
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You're probably just lying and/or exaggerating just to make your "point."

You people are always lying.

"Teachers" who are spending time chatting with their students about personal things, or taking days off to do nothing or watch movies or whatever other nonsense because things are too tiring or too demanding or whatever other nonsense, are doing a profound disservice to their education and advancement.

Raise the bar, do better. Do. Your. Job.
 
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SDC888 said:
You're probably just lying and/or exaggerating just to make your "point."

You people are always lying.

"Teachers" who are spending time chatting with their students about personal things, or taking days off to do nothing or watch movies or whatever other nonsense because things are too tiring or too demanding or whatever other nonsense, are doing a profound disservice to their education and advancement.

Raise the bar, do better. Do. Your. Job.
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If you say so.
 
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TCurtis75 said:
Considering that I know many who went to the “other” HS in town with a couple hundred per class and they knew their teachers just as well. You may argue that it was a small town and that is why but there are thousands of small towns with the same situations. I also know many from larger cities that knew their teachers just as well. It’s much more common than you want to admit or acknowledge.
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So you sat around with people throughout your life and discussed how well they knew their high school teachers and their families? LOL, that is one conversation I have never had with anyone in my life.....well, until today.

Give it up lady, it is a small percentage. But rest easy, it happened to you in your life and you can carry that to your grave.
 
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So you sat around with people throughout your life and discussed how well they knew their high school teachers and their families? LOL, that is one conversation I have never had with anyone in my life.....well, until today.

Give it up lady, it is a small percentage. But rest easy, it happened to you in your life and you can carry that to your grave.
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Nope. However, when gossiping as kids do, it was quite easy to see how well people knew other people. Again it’s more than you choose to acknowledge. Maybe you should focus on telling us how the Madison Cawthorne pics aren’t that big of a deal while doubling down on how LGBTQ is bad. At least then, you could match everyone else on your side as a hypocrite. You’d actually get your membership card at that point I bet.
 
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Nope. However, when gossiping as kids do, it was quite easy to see how well people knew other people. Again it’s more than you choose to acknowledge. Maybe you should focus on telling us how the Madison Cawthorne pics aren’t that big of a deal while doubling down on how LGBTQ is bad. At least then, you could match everyone else on your side as a hypocrite. You’d actually get your membership card at that point I bet.
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The Right: Madison Cawthorne pics are not that big of a deal
The Left: Yes they are!
Also, the Left: Can we show them to 1st graders and tell them this is normal?
 
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Yeah, sort of. I wouldn't be appropriate to explain his pictures to young children, that's true. That's also all the Florida law does, it protects young children from what should be viewed as criminal child abuse.
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It appears the law is a desperate cry for help from GOP members that can't help themselves.
 
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The Right: Madison Cawthorne pics are not that big of a deal
The Left: Yes they are!
Also, the Left: Can we show them to 1st graders and tell them this is normal?
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We just want you to come down on actual events like the Madison Cawthorne pics like you do on yet to be proven “grooming” by Disney. We all know if it wasn’t for double standards, you and your fellow conservatives would have no standards at all.
 
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