"Divided" Fanbase?

BobPSU92

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Don’t like the booing and unsupportive, classless portion of fans in the stadium. Many true blue fans were lost when the STEP program replaced loyal fans with the highest bidders. In more recent years I have not enjoyed the Beaver Stadium experience largely due to the people seated around me. Poorly behaved, little interest in what is happening on the field, primarily interested in selfies of their antics so they can post “look at me” on social media.

Many cluelessly booing because it is the fashionable thing to do.

BOOOOOOO!

😞
 

Moogy

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LOL. This is what you said..."Only an idiot would gamble like that". You clearly think this is a bad decision so the inference is that your bias is it won't work out. If you thought it would have a decent probability of it working out then you would not make that statement.

Nevertheless, the fact that you think we had a "very good" situation with Franklin tells me all I need to know.

Ah, so you decided to double down on irrationality. Between all the flubs here, and in your incorrect contractual analysis, we're going to have to let you go, as a poster. Your negotiated buyout - a bucket of paint chips - will be provided to you on your way out.
 

BostonNit

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One play away from playing for the National Championship last year. One thing for damn sure, Kraft guaranteed it won’t ever happen under Franklin by firing him.
Well not exactly one play. We needed to drive 40 yards AND make a FG. But if you want to call it one play away so be it. We were also one play away from having NEVER beaten OSU during Franklin's tenure. So there's that too.
 

BostonNit

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You need to understand the contract. If and when Franklin gets another gig PSU only pays the difference between the two salaries. If his new job pays $6 million then we pay the difference. Plus sources have said Adidas is paying at least part of this buyout.

I am amazed at the people that believe our next hire will be worse and the program is doomed. That is just operating out of fear not confidence. Do you approach your life this way, afraid to make bold decisions? Franklin operated out of fear and his teams played scared in big games in the clutch. Finally he was fired for these horrible results. We never won a big game but incredibly we can't do better? Completely illogical.
The next coach may go 3-22 against top 10 teams. Can't risk it.
 

barry j fenchak

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Well not exactly one play. We needed to drive 40 yards AND make a FG. But if you want to call it one play away so be it. We were also one play away from having NEVER beaten OSU during Franklin's tenure. So there's that too.
No biggie, he has us involved with 7 CFP in an alternative universe. "One Play Away" is noise-level delusion. Give the man some space.
 
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donaldfair71

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Well not exactly one play. We needed to drive 40 yards AND make a FG. But if you want to call it one play away so be it. We were also one play away from having NEVER beaten OSU during Franklin's tenure. So there's that too.
One play away against Minnesota and USC each from missing the playoff last year.
 
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mcpat

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You can wish the fanbase didn’t turn on Franklin and that his accomplishments were more appreciated, but anyone that goes to the games knows Kraft had to do this. It has become incredibly toxic in the stadium. If that type of fan behavior bothers you from your living room couch, then please take one of their spots in the stadium.
 

AvgUser

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How do you know Franklin wouldn’t have already gotten us to ”a title game” in one of those seven years he would have qualified for the Playoffs? Heck, we were basically one play away from making it last freakin year!

Should Ohio State have fired Day last year after he lost to Michigan again for the millionth time and had two losses? Should Notre Dame have fired Freeman last year after he inexplicably lost to Northern Illinois??? Heck, both of those teams ended up playing for the National Championship!

Franklin had built up enough street cred to be allowed a chance to fix the problems like Joe was. For a MINIMUM of $50,000,000 dollars, Kraft better get us to AT LEAST the Playoffs in the next two years. I’ve already now written off this year and next. But the year after, WHOEVER Kraft hires better have us there.
Jesus. What a stupid argument. There was no 12 team playoff so your hypothetical situation isn’t worth a cent.

When they expand to 16 or more are you going to come back again to rewrite more fiction?

give it up.
 
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BUFFALO LION

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Jesus. What a stupid argument. There was no 12 team playoff so your hypothetical situation isn’t worth a cent.

When they expand to 16 or more are you going to come back again to rewrite more fiction?

give it up.

NEWSFLASH!!!!!! There IS a 12 team Playoff NOW, and under its CURRENT configuration, Franklin would have qualified 7 out of his first 11 years based on Penn State’s CFP Committee final rankings.
 

MacNit

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I don’t know that I would say that he quit on the team, but something was definitely up with him this year. Bizarre just far off kilter the team has been this year.
Just this month, Franklin has achieved a couple of records of futility that have not been seen in almost half a century. And the team collapsed at home.

Change was necessary.
 

MacNit

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Does Rhule get fired if he doesn’t at least win the Big by year three is the real operative question. Given the portal, NIL money, stadium and facilities Franklin campaigned for and Kraft’s new standard, why the hell should he?
If he loses two consecutive games as three TD favorites, give next coach 10 years? I mean, it’s only fair - right?
 

MacNit

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You need to understand the contract. If and when Franklin gets another gig PSU only pays the difference between the two salaries. If his new job pays $6 million then we pay the difference. Plus sources have said Adidas is paying at least part of this buyout.

I am amazed at the people that believe our next hire will be worse and the program is doomed. That is just operating out of fear not confidence. Do you approach your life this way, afraid to make bold decisions? Franklin operated out of fear and his teams played scared in big games in the clutch. Finally he was fired for these horrible results. We never won a big game but incredibly we can't do better? Completely illogical.
Spot on!
 

AvgUser

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NEWSFLASH!!!!!! There IS a 12 team Playoff NOW, and under its CURRENT configuration, Franklin would have qualified 7 out of his first 11 years based on Penn State’s CFP Committee final rankings.
BFD!

There WAS. NO. 12. TEAM. PLAYOFF.

Your argument is asinine.
 
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WVilleLion23

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NEWSFLASH!!!!!! There IS a 12 team Playoff NOW, and under its CURRENT configuration, Franklin would have qualified 7 out of his first 11 years based on Penn State’s CFP Committee final rankings.
Yeah, it doesn’t matter. If NASCAR still had the original points structure, some drivers that have won championships would have less, so e would have more, a few drivers who don’t have a championship, would have one. But guess what, that is not the situation because it is hypothetical and not based on actual facts and reality. So PSU coulda, woulda, shoulda…didn’t.
 

BUFFALO LION

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BFD!

There WAS. NO. 12. TEAM. PLAYOFF.

Your argument is asinine.

THERE IS NOW!!!!!! IT’S 2025. NOT 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2022, 2023!!! HE WOULD HAVE MADE IT EVERY ONE OF THOSE 6 YEARS!!!! 2024 THERE WAS A 12 TEAM PLAYOFF AND HE WON HIS FIRST TWO PLAYOFF GAMES AND MADE IT TO THE FREAKIN NATIONAL SEMI-FINALS!!!

Yet you think we will magically get some super magician that would have also qualified us under a 12 team CFP system in 2014, 2015, 2020, and 2021……at the very least????

So we get Matt Rhule. At Nebraska, he failed to make the Playoffs last year, and he would have failed his first year. That makes him equal to Franklin in his first two years. In Franklin’s third year, he had two bad losses, but still won the Big Ten Championship and went to the Rose Bowl. He would have EASILY qualified for the 12 team Playoff in 2016 under its CURRENT configuration, and gotten a Home game. He would have been a 5 seed and played Western Michigan at Home in the Beav.

Rhule is 5-1 right now with his hardest two games left at Home. USC and Iowa. He should be favored against Minnesota, Northwestern, UCLA, and us. Let’s see if he wins the Big Ten and QUALIFIES for the CFPs this year. If he does, his first three years will be on a par with Franklin’s through 3 years.

Then he will also have to qualify Nebraska for the CFP going forward under it’s CURRENT format in 2026, 2027, 2028, 2031, 2032, and 2033 to even EQUAL what Franklin accomplished in his first 11 years.

Good Luck with that. 🙂
 
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BUFFALO LION

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If he loses two consecutive games as three TD favorites, give next coach 10 years? I mean, it’s only fair - right?
And the next, and the next, and the next, and the next, and the next, and the next, and the next, and the next,…………………………………..
 

AvgUser

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THERE IS NOW!!!!!! IT’S 2025. NOT 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2022, 2023!!! HE WOULD HAVE MADE IT EVERY ONE OF THOSE 6 YEARS!!!! 2024 THERE WAS A 12 TEAM PLAYOFF AND HE WON HIS FIRST TWO PLAYOFF GAMES AND MADE IT TO THE FREAKIN NATIONAL SEMI-FINALS!!!

Yet you think we will magically get some super magician that would have also qualified us under a 12 team CFP system in 2014, 2015, 2020, and 2021……at the very least????

So we get Matt Rhule. At Nebraska, he failed to make the Playoffs last year, and he would have failed his first year. That makes him equal to Franklin in his first two years. In Franklin’s third year, he had two bad losses, but still won the Big Ten Championship and went to the Rose Bowl. He would have EASILY qualified for the 12 team Playoff in 2016 under its CURRENT configuration, and gotten a Home game. He would have been a 5 seed and played Western Michigan at Home in the Beav.

Rhule is 5-1 right now with his hardest two games left at Home. USC and Iowa. He should be favored against Minnesota, Northwestern, UCLA, and us. Let’s see if he wins the Big Ten and QUALIFIES for the CFPs this year. If he does, his first three years will be on a par with Franklin’s through 3 years.

Then he will also have to qualify Nebraska for the CFP going forward under it’s CURRENT format in 2026, 2027, 2028, 2031, 2032, and 2033 to even EQUAL what Franklin accomplished in his first 11 years.

Good Luck with that. 🙂
Your argument is stupid and immaterial. Good luck with it
 

baltimorened

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We should be united but...see the thread started by Marshall. His opening post is why we're not.

Now it's not a 50/50 split but there's a segment of the fan base that is upset.
of course, there would be some against the firing. That's just human nature...there are a lot of fans out there
 
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barry j fenchak

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I wasn't offended. His take is the divided part. His blind loyalty to a coach because he "did things the right way". He's entitled to that. There's people that can't accept its ultimately about winning...and winning titles.
This indicates that he is loyal only to an individual, not the program. The lowest form of life, good riddance of this, things are better when the likes of him are gone.
 

MacNit

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And the next, and the next, and the next, and the next, and the next, and the next, and the next, and the next,…………………………………..
Since it has happened only once in a millennium, very low chance for history to repeat itself. Franklin has been uniquely bad!
 
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