I keep reading that NU is short one scholarship player on its B-ball team because Vassar quit the team but remains a student at NU. This makes no sense to me. He was given a basketball scholarship. Basic contract law principles assert that this is a quid pro quo relationship - he receives free tuition, room, and board for playing basketball at NU. If he quits the team, without an injury or other precipitating event beyond his control, his scholarship should terminate. What am I missing here?
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Deductive reasoning would tell us that he did not "quit" the team.
Might be true but he did state that he was going to transfer out. Technically he can keep his schlorship for doing nothing, ethically it's a bit different.
He did not state anything. There was a statement by the athletic department.
Thinking that a kid who was (probably) asked to leave the team should voluntarily give up his scholarship for the good of said team is a new level of koolaid drinking.
No scenario where he quits and keeps his scholarship unless it's a complete favor from NU and they can pull it at any time.
Quite frankly, it sounds as if everyone is as confused as I.
That's because everyone is speculating and there are very few facts in evidence. What we do know is that NU now awards four-year scholarships. We know NU announced that Vassar was transferring. We know that last year, Collins said he was still at NU and that it was uncertain when, or if he was transferring. And we know that it has been reported that NU is recruiting both Charlie Moore and Canyon Barry, but no one knows where the scholarship or scholarships are coming from to accommodate them. I think that sums it up.
Not really...he has a scholarship because he didn't quit.
Bingo. I don't get why this is so hard for some to understand.
I guess it's just the nature of message boards, but it's annoying to see assumptions stated as fact. As Idaho summed up, we just don't know the situation. Most importantly, we don't know whether Vassar continues to have a 4-year scholarship or is simply on scholarship until NU finds someone else.
There ya go. He was still on scholarship while he was (futilely) trying to find another school. When that was unsuccessful, he assumed he was back on the team, and Collins said "No Way!". He still had his scholie and was still at NU so the school let him keep it. Not sure why that's hard to understand...
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If he makes even a mild legal threat against the university which is not at all far-fetched the odds are in his favor he gets to hang around for free.
You don't know that. But you're consistent.
What we do know is that he signed off on a press release that said he expressed a wish to transfer and play elsewhere.
Now, if someone in sports information didn't do his or her job and doesn't have an email from the student athlete named in the release saying he was ok with it there's another problem.
This.
No one knows jack. While the messages some post are telling about their bias, no one knows.
I really hope NU has the scholly.
But I'm completely ok with the kid taking classes and getting as much out of the school as he can. And there is nothing I've read that indicates the coach did anything wrong.
There's a group that lurks around this board that seems to hope for Collins to stumble and fall.
Get a life. Really.
Ok so that's what I said...NU is doing him a complete favor. What that means is that they can probably pull it whenever they want...hence the interest in Barry and Moore.
About pulling the scholarship? You understand that there's a ton of outs for the school in these things. Various policies that they can say were violated, etc. There's also a very vague "good standing" requirement, which the school and athletic department can define as they wish.
And if the family went hard at the university and said he was coerced to say he wanted to transfer? And that they were going to go public and sue?
And if they did that first, during the period the university thought everything was hunky dory and the kid wanted to transfer, pretty hard to revert to one of the strategies you describe.
I'm not saying that it happened. But I've lost tolerance for those that say the only reason he's around on scholly is that Collins is a bad guy.
The truth is no one knows. But there are plenty of ways this could have gone down on both sides. And there are plenty of NU players who seem to like and respect Collins.
Have people said that? In my opinion, the only reason he is on scholarship is because CCC is a fine guy who made a recruiting mistake. JV is here because JV can't not be here.
I severely doubt that sports information needed approval to announce the intent to transfer. Though it would be a losing case, I *guess* an unauthorized release could be grounds for a lawsuit. I guess.
At no point in time have I thought or said that CC is a bad guy. I'm very clear on the fact that taking the program to the next level requires talent and at times roster churn, so I don't really have an issue with the Vassar situation or the other transfers that have occurred.
If they did that, I would hope NU's GC would quickly pull the cases of every athlete who has tried to sue a university regarding their scholarship and point to the simple fact that the vast majority (if not entirety) have lost.
As posited by Virginia and I acknowledged, it's possible that he quit and was allowed to keep his scholarship as a favor until the program decided to use it (aka right now). In my opinion, if we land another player and the scholarship magically appears, I would think this is exactly what happened. If we land another player and the scholarship comes from somewhere else, then I would think it's the "he didn't quit" scenario.
What we do know. #1 Vassar is not a "good fit". #2 There is a schlorship available, otherwise why would Berry and Moore be scheduled to visit NU. #3 A statement was issued by the Athletic Dept., stating that Vassar has requested a transfer. #4 Lumpkin has completed 4 years at NU. #5 Collins is either a good or a bad guy.
You specifically implied that he was kicked off he team. He was not. He briefly left (i.e. quit) the team, then wasn't allowed back on...
And if that's the case then he is very lucky to have his scholarship and won't for much longer it seems.
Also, source? I fully admit I'm reading tea leaves. Are you?
If I have a source, I'm not about to spill it. I certainly won't say I know every detail. I also won't say I'm lying.
CCC was pretty miffed about Vassar not participating in summer workouts while searching for another school...
Where do you get he signed off? I never saw, approved or had any say in any NU athletic pressers while i was a scholarship athlete. I was bound to only speak to the media through official channels though.
Do you actually think if he didn't make that transfer statement, that he wouldn't have gone public by now?
Neither of you have any intimacy with the athletic department at NU. Never gonna happen this way. Never.
Really wish i had kept a copy of my paperwork and the associated handbook all these years. Would love to post it here and let you all read the contingencies. The boiler plate language.
For the record, i have never said CCC is a bad guy. I have stated repeatedly that I am a fan of CCC. I do, however, feel he, and his administration, screwed the pooch on this matter. He isn't perfect and i think here he failed. Just my opinion. Get your own life.
While i completely disagree, if true, I would probably flip sides on CCC support. This team has a few needs and if CCC has had a schollie all year and he didnt aggressively seek to fill a need at the SG or C spots, then i would call it a major failure.
I think they are chasing these late opportunities using a last minute availability. But i also am wondering why they didn't plan to graduate Lump from the beginning and recruit his schollie. Much as i like lump, I would rather have celebrated him on senior night and look forward to a fourth member of the 2016 class.