Do you have the right
- Thread starter EERs 3:16
- Start date
If one of the "Open us Up" protestors get the virus.....should that state treat them?
Yes. They may not deserve it but that isn't who we are (or should be) as a country.
I have anti-vaxxers in my family. Drives me nuts. They are so full of conspiracy theories about their children health and well-being, it is very frustrating and upsetting no matter how much I tell myself "I don't have the right to tell others how to raise their children".
Luckovich has a great cartoon today on this subject. The man is a pure genius. Best cartoonist that isn't named Don Larson.
https://www.ajc.com/blog/luckovich/mike-luckovich-flag-sheds-snake/Rn2rg0RUycc2GtnqDLm0EJ/
https://www.ajc.com/blog/luckovich/mike-luckovich-flag-sheds-snake/Rn2rg0RUycc2GtnqDLm0EJ/
You should have the right to live your life however you see fit.... as long as you don't hurt or infringe someone else from doing the same.
Not getting vaccinated crosses into the territory where you could potentially hurt someone else by your actions. In that case, I should have the right to "not serve" someone that refuses to take those extra precautions.
Not getting vaccinated crosses into the territory where you could potentially hurt someone else by your actions. In that case, I should have the right to "not serve" someone that refuses to take those extra precautions.
Here is a wacky conspiracy this couple did a few years ago. During Thanksgiving visit (they live in California) with their oldest child who was 6 months at the time, the ordered absolutely no TV watching. They believe the radio waves broadcasts out of a TV would lead to a higher chance of autism in infants younger than 18 months. Never have I ever heard of that one before or since but of course, there was no TV watching in my house for the 5 days they were visiting.
Why? If they have taken the vaccine and I didn't.........they are safe, right? Vaccines cures all, right?
My kids take vaccines. My wife does. I DO NOT. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I just believe that a person's immune system is a lot stronger than vaccines. Now, would I take a vaccine in the future? Sure, maybe....depends on the situation.
Nope. Children can't get their MMR shots until they are 2. So they are extremely vulnerable.
My comment was specifically talking about children. I don't care what adults do about themselves.
The shear number of radio waves passing through our bodies these days, on a daily basis, is astonishing. UHV and VHF frequencies I wouldn't worry as much about, but one does wonder sometimes what higher RF frequencies do on the cellular level over a certain amount of time.
And it does feel like more kids today are put on the autism spectrum than were 40 years ago.
I honestly never heard of autism until I was an adult. I wonder if that's more about a change in diagnosis than a change in actual occurrences.
The Constitution doesn’t give anyone the right to jeopardize everyone else’s health and well being, moron.
The constitution doesnt limit peoples rights moron. It limits the government.
This. Feed your immune system folks! It's the best defense almighty God gave you against sickness and disease...for free!
https://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-strengthen-immunity
I'm all for freedom and a strong immune system but I thank the good Lord for the polio vaccine.
So your immune system is better than the polio vaccine and the MMR vaccine?
F’ucking morons.
So your brain is immune to decency? A veritable cauldron of filth and disease, that percolates to the top and erupts from your mouth like a river of hot molten bile
I'm confused. Were we talking about the polio vaccine or one for COVID-19? Again, I'm starting to understand why people think you are retarded. What's gotten in to you?
I didn't bother to explain to country most vaccines include portions of virus that can infect you to help your immune system develop the anti bodies that will destroy dangerous microbes. Maybe you can try, country likes White people who have Black relatives...makes country's Black side feel welcomed.
But all my black relatives have died of COVID-19.....or at least that is what the news media is trying to tell me.
Didn't they tell you Negroes have no immune systems thanks to cickle cell anemia? Shame on them!
Btw....I agree with almost everything you've said about this Covid-19 hyperventilating. Keep it up.
I’m not sure if you were wanting to discuss our required schedule of vaccinations as children, or vaccines as they pertain to flu or coronavirus (as we hope we might have a vaccine for COVID-19 next year). But I think the debate is similar enough.
One of the things that drives me crazy about this debate is the focus of the debate in the first place. It seems to focus heavily on the RIGHTS issue. I’m not trying to downplay our civil liberties or anything, but when you look at all the work that has gone into vaccine safety for children there really shouldn’t be any debate. There is always a small danger, but it’s lower than the danger of contracting the diseases in the first place. There absolutely is no correlation between vaccines and autism, the only study that found any was fraudulent, and the author was stripped of his license because of it.
The amount of danger caused to the overall population when the percentage of vaccinated Americans drops even 2-3 percentage points can be devastating. Some children simply cannot get vaccinated, due to other health issues, age, etc. These children are at an increasing risk, due to those that choose to not vaccinate.
The same would be the case with a vaccine for COVID, even if it was similar to the flu vaccination. Some years it’s matched well, some it’s not matched very well at all. But it can prevent severe symptoms and help reduce spread even when not matched well.
But the KEY to this debate is that the danger is lower for vaccination than it is for contracting the disease itself. So, there really shouldn’t be any reason to deny modern medical science to yourself or loved ones, unless underlying health conditions prevent you from getting them. The religious debate is illogical and unfounded by legitimate doctrine, imo. The holistic debate is simply illogical. The only debate that is legit, imo, is the argument that government shouldn’t make me do anything I don’t want to do with my own body. An argument that is difficult to counter. Even though the choice to not vaccinate endangers other Americans, I think the individual choice argument still prevails.
But why is there a desire to fight what is good for the nation? Why the passion to refuse an act that is only beneficial for the greater good? When an American puts their own liberties over the health and well-being of America itself, what is it those liberties stand for?
the debate needs shifted to the place it belongs.
Last edited:
It’s not that simple. Newborns aren’t able to receive vaccines, some people with underlying health issues can’t receive them either, it’s about the numbers of people infected (the spread) increasing and endangering those children/people.
Have you ever known a child that was “on the spectrum” as they say today? I have known two kids who were defined as such, and you wouldn’t think either were anything other than normal functioning kids. The way we diagnose autism is advancing (I use that term loosely), and so more and more kids are labeled that wouldn’t have been given that moniker before.
I think it's probably been over diagnosed to a certain extent. It's the severe cases that make me tilt my head though, and wonder how common was that 30-40 years ago. Were those kids just not socialized like they are today.
The question he asked. "Do I think my immune system is more powerful than the polio vaccine? Doesn't the question to you assume the vaccine is in competition with my immune system instead of enhancing it? It does to me.
Ask country. Country may not have known it's our immune systems which protect us, not vaccines. Vaccines are introduced to our immune systems so antibodies can recognize the dangerous infection and organize antigens to kill it. A vaccine is powerless without our incredible immune systems which either country knew or asked that question in complete ignorance.
So just my two cents: you have a right to be an idiot - which is why we have the DNC. However, your right to be an idiot stops when it puts the well being of others in jeopardy (DUI laws) and so, no - you do not have a right to refuse a "mandatory" vaccine. Also given it's mortality rate, I'd also argue that you do not have the right to refuse the yearly flu vaccine. People often forget that the flu is deadly. Not only do vaccines save lives, but they also reduce hospital overcrowding and reduce medical costs.
You also do not have the right to refuse vaccines for your children (see above). It's sad that kids have stupid parents, but some do and I feel bad for them (the kids not the parents).
And I pray that people are smart enough to realize how vaccines work....
You also do not have the right to refuse vaccines for your children (see above). It's sad that kids have stupid parents, but some do and I feel bad for them (the kids not the parents).
And I pray that people are smart enough to realize how vaccines work....