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TarHeelEer

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And Judge Ellis ends the day.

 

JWBinDC

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Soooooo, the Chris Steele (foreign actor) Dossier sourced from the Russian intelligence branch (foreign actors) purchased by the Clinton campaign? Not the same?
Nope, not even close, but you probably know that.
 

WVUCOOPER

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I wouldn’t see it that way either if I were you. Hahahaha
I've said from the beginning that I have issues with Chris Steele being hired, but I can also acknowledge the difference between a Western intelligence asset and a hostile foreign government. Are both wrong? I think so. Is one waaaaaaaaaaayyyyy more wrong? 1,000% Yes. The constant whataboutism is sad.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I've said from the beginning that I have issues with Chris Steele being hired, but I can also acknowledge the difference between a Western intelligence asset and a hostile foreign government. Are both wrong? I think so. Is one waaaaaaaaaaayyyyy more wrong? 1,000% Yes. The constant whataboutism is sad.
Coop, Steele sourced direct from the Kremlin. Your logic is askew.
 

The Dunedein

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And Judge Ellis ends the day.


This judge is inserting himself into the trial. As a lawyer, i hate it when a judge does that. Very few will make a comment like that, as a judge is not supposed to comment on the evidence, he/she is supposed to make sure the Rules of Court are being followed, not insert his opinions about the case. The judge is supposed to give both sides an even playing field. Jurors tend to pick up on when a judge is favoring one side and it usually affects their decision, as they tend to look to the judge as their leader in the courtroom.

Ellis has been off the rails. At the end of the day earlier this week, Ellis got into an argument with one of the prosecutors because he was looking down at a document (a normal thing when preparing to respond) instead of looking the judge in the eye. Petty. Thankfully, the jury was not present for that one, but it illustrates an attitude and possible bias. When the defense presents its case, we’ll see if he interjects in their side of the case the same way.

Trials are hard enough, fighting a skilled opponent. Shouldn’t have to fight the judge, too.
 

WVUCOOPER

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So as long as you have a subcontractor between you and the Russians.... you're cool with it?
I said I was not cool with it. As I have said all along. Read gooder. Trumpers are the ones that are cool with a foreign enemy influencing our elections
 

dave

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Clinton never paid Chris Steele. Clinton hired Fusion GPS, an American firm.
What part of this is too difficult for you to understand because you keep stumbling on this like a drunk Marshall fan trying to forget about the 12-0 record?
For someone who loves the words conspiracy and collusion to make that post and not see the irony is baffling.
 

dave

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This judge is inserting himself into the trial. As a lawyer, i hate it when a judge does that. Very few will make a comment like that, as a judge is not supposed to comment on the evidence, he/she is supposed to make sure the Rules of Court are being followed, not insert his opinions about the case. The judge is supposed to give both sides an even playing field. Jurors tend to pick up on when a judge is favoring one side and it usually affects their decision, as they tend to look to the judge as their leader in the courtroom.

Ellis has been off the rails. At the end of the day earlier this week, Ellis got into an argument with one of the prosecutors because he was looking down at a document (a normal thing when preparing to respond) instead of looking the judge in the eye. Petty. Thankfully, the jury was not present for that one, but it illustrates an attitude and possible bias. When the defense presents its case, we’ll see if he interjects in their side of the case the same way.

Trials are hard enough, fighting a skilled opponent. Shouldn’t have to fight the judge, too.
Weisman has a history with federal court. No wonder Ellis is keeping them on point.
 

Mntneer

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I said I was not cool with it. As I have said all along. Read gooder. Trumpers are the ones that are cool with a foreign enemy influencing our elections

You certainly seem not to care about what Fusion GPS, Steele, the DNC and some in the FBI and DOJ did.
 

WVUCOOPER

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You certainly seem not to care about what Fusion GPS, Steele, the DNC and some in the FBI and DOJ did.
Care? I do. I just don't buy the same hysterics you apparently do. But let me be clear. I am against foreign interference in our elections. I used to think that was easily agreeable.
 

Mntneer

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Care? I do. I just don't buy the same hysterics you apparently do. But let me be clear. I am against foreign interference in our elections. I used to think that was easily agreeable.

I don't buy the hysterics, but I certain believe that individuals within the FBI and DOJ wanted to try and make sure Trump was not elected. And IMHO, it's worse having agents of your own government working to undermine and election than agents of a foreign government.
 

WVUCOOPER

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I don't buy the hysterics, but I certain believe that individuals within the FBI and DOJ wanted to try and make sure Trump was not elected. And IMHO, it's worse having agents of your own government working to undermine and election than agents of a foreign government.
So they kept it quiet. A+ job. lol
 

WVUCOOPER

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Your devolution has been sad to watch. I agree.
I know you are, but what am I?

Watching you turn into a dave and applauding tariffs/spending/federal government control over the economy has been


Bet that NEXT IG report really does the trick!
 

WVUCOOPER

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I don't think they thought Trump would win.

But on a scale, it's worse if they were acting to undermine than if Putin was.
IF? I'd agree. They weren't. Wanna know how I know? Trump won. Will the 98th IG report convince you, or is this a lost cause?
 

79eer

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It is quite entertaining to watch and read posts from individuals who obsfucate through slight of key board in an attempt to persuade others to believe their political and economic beliefs are anything other than left wing Trump haters. ............... carry on.
 

dave

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IF? I'd agree. They weren't. Wanna know how I know? Trump won. Will the 98th IG report convince you, or is this a lost cause?
Nothing will convince you. The evidence is right in front of you and you ignore it. You are not objective.
 

WVUCOOPER

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Nothing will convince you. The evidence is right in front of you and you ignore it. You are not objective.
That's what you think. If the IG or that Utahn prosecutor come out and say persons X, Y, and Z did ________ in an effort to influence the Presidential election I would 100% believe them and cheer them to a conviction. I trust our systems.
 

dave

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That's what you think. If the IG or that Utahn prosecutor come out and say persons X, Y, and Z did ________ in an effort to influence the Presidential election I would 100% believe them and cheer them to a conviction. I trust our systems.
Im not the only one who sees it. I mean ffs the IG flat out said that these thing happened yet slurp you go cause CNN said its no big deal.
 

WVUCOOPER

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Im not the only one who sees it. I mean ffs the IG flat out said that these thing happened yet slurp you go cause CNN said its no big deal.
What specifically did the IG say that I'm ignoring and "slurp"ing(?)?
 

WVUCOOPER

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So their failure is their absolution?
Not entirely, but a nice piece of evidence. It's not just failure, it was total failure to even launch. The DEEPSTATE did nothing while going against protocol to tell the media his opponent's case was being re-opened days/weeks before the election.
 

dave

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What specifically did the IG say that I'm ignoring and "slurp"ing(?)?
For instance he said the action of strozck and others in the investigation tainted both the investigation and the FBI.
 

TarHeelEer

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Not entirely, but a nice piece of evidence. It's not just failure, it was total failure to even launch. The DEEPSTATE did nothing while going against protocol to tell the media his opponent's case was being re-opened days/weeks before the election.

After being sat on for a month by HQ. HQ was afraid NYSD was going to publicize it.
 

WVUCOOPER

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After being sat on for a month by HQ. HQ was afraid NYSD was going to publicize it.
Ok? Still don't see how this adds up to the grand conspiracy to keep Trump out of office. I'm guessing the next IG report after the next IG report about the next IG report will wrap it up. SOON
 

TarHeelEer

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Would need to ask him. Of course he says Comey remember it wrongly. Odd that the report and IG partly based their conclusions on Comey's word. Hmmmm.

  • Comey lied in testimony to Congress. ex: They knew foreign actors had infiltrated Hillbag's server
  • Text messages between Strzok and Page show criminal intent to obstruct justice with Hillbag and improperly investigate another (Trump): "We will stop it"
  • 5 additional employees under investigation for bias
  • Kadzik, McCabe didn't recuse themselves when they should have.
  • Improper gifts out the wazoo
  • Comey was insubordinate
  • Redacted section on Lynch and/or Yates