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Do you want PSU to hire Terry Smith as Head Coach?

Should PSU make Terry the permanent Head Coach

  • Yes

    Votes: 57 47.9%

  • No

    Votes: 40 33.6%

  • On the fence (or waiting for Gunsie’s answer so I can choose the opposite)

    Votes: 22 18.5%
  • Total voters
    119
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KingLando

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m.knox said:
Another fantasy construct in your little brain.....

LOL... "Dylan" my ***. "Drew"? "Tony"?

I'm not arguing he should be hired. Read what I've posted. I said I'm indifferent. I said that the team last night played the most complete game of the season, and I do give credit to Smith. Period.
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Good--because he shouldn't be hired but you being indifferent is a problem as well.
The bar was so low that what does "the most complete game" even indicate. Other than grasping at straws....
Smith gets credit for winning--he gets blame for losses too.
 
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MtNittany

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I envision NSA keystroke computers smoking, and electric meters spinning like Christmas Vacation whenever JoePaMajorCFP gets online.
 
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Moogy

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My current answer is … I dunno.

Football is emotional. College football even moreso. College football fans even more so than the more so.

So they are very reactive … knee-jerk, often times. So, you win, and everyone’s happy and hugging. You lose, and everyone is sad and mopey.

But that’s not how you make organizational decisions.

When Smith took over and we lost, and in the close, but not good enough fashion that made certain folks who deserve better freak out under his predecessor, everyone said “welp, he proved he’s not the answer … next.”

Now he’s won a couple games against some poor competition, and suddenly, he’s the answer.

And then he went and wore a button, and now the Joebots are fawning over him. Because he wore a button.

I don’t make organizational hiring decision based on buttons.

He may be the answer, he may not be. Can he manage the organization top down? Before this, he was only a position coach. Will he be able to retain/recuit a top staff? Shmooze stakeholders? Recruit locally and nationally?

And, yes, he has the endorsement of many currently on the squad … but it’s one thing to win over the local room of a “captive audience” that has experience with you, and got to know you in a “lesser” role … it’s another to captain a ship where you have to bring in new guys and get them to buy in.

The rumored outside candidates are mostly uninspiring, so I’m obviously giving Terry a shot to sell me on him as the long-term coach, but I’m definitely nowhere near convinced.

I’m very happy for him and the squad with their recent wins. You can tell he’s a great guy and a PSU guy through and through. I’m rooting for him. But not yet convinced he’s the man for the future.
 
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PSUSignore

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Hard to vote one way or another without having facts about who the other possible candidates are, and only Kraft knows that information. If it's Terry vs. Deboer for example, give me Deboer. If it's Terry vs. Chesney or Drinkwitz then I might be inclined to give Terry a shot which is something I wouldn't have said 2 weeks ago. Terry has really done a nice job at righting the locker room and bringing PSU's identity back to the team, and he deserves a lot of credit for the job he's done regardless of what happens going forward. Last night's game was one of the most enjoyable to watch in an long time.
 
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KingLando

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MtNittany said:
So did PSU hire the best guy back in 1966?
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Probably but Joe was barely 40 (maybe 39 irrc)
If Smith was 40, I'd be way more willing to consider it. Not for a former WPIAL coach that had every benefit and couldn't win a title then an assistant that was passed up for countless coordinator openings at this own school.
Let's not pretend Smith's reputation at Gateway wasn't "he can't win a big game"
 
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PSUSignore

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Moogy said:
Oh, snap. I wasn’t convinced when it was just a button. But khakis?!?! Now I know he’s the man for the job. If you pass up on a guy that wears a button and khakis, you’re a fool.

Make sure to update us as you scour the internet looking for what kind of underoos they were wearing.
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But the pant legs aren't rolled up. Unacceptable.
 
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DaytonRickster

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Big_O said:
I thought he had a plan and strategy in place when he gave BGJ the heave ho, and that’s why it didn’t bother me. It is starting to appear that maybe it was not the case and he is just fumbling around. We shall see.
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Looking at Kraft's hires at his previous stops and his hires thus far at PSU, his abilities are suspect. I brought this up early after Franklin was fired. Hopefully I take a pie in the face over the hire.
 
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Grant Green

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Erial_Lion said:
Campbell, Hartline, Brady, Brohm, Chesney would probably be my 5 favorites (in no order) of those that I see as realistic.
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Any particular leader? Brady is an interesting name that hasn’t come up much. Not sure what to think about him.
 
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m.knox

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KingLando said:
Good--because he shouldn't be hired but you being indifferent is a problem as well.
The bar was so low that what does "the most complete game" even indicate. Other than grasping at straws....
Smith gets credit for winning--he gets blame for losses too.
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LOL... "most complete game this season" means the most complete game this season. Vast improvement in all phases of the game - mental, physical, play calling, execution...... Smith gets credit for that.

The only "person" grasping at straws is queen loado.
 
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Erial_Lion

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Grant Green said:
Any particular leader? Brady is an interesting name that hasn’t come up much. Not sure what to think about him.
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Not really. I don’t follow college football quite as closely as college basketball, so there could be other good choices that I’m missing too. But top of head, that’s my favorite group.
 
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cntblvitsbutter

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Erial_Lion said:
Not really. I don’t follow college football quite as closely as college basketball, so there could be other good choices that I’m missing too. But top of head, that’s my favorite group.
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I could be wrong, but isn't Brady's claim to fame mostly he led the offense that made Burrow the #1 pick?
 
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m.knox

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PSUSignore said:
Hard to vote one way or another without having facts about who the other possible candidates are, and only Kraft knows that information. If it's Terry vs. Deboer for example, give me Deboer. If it's Terry vs. Chesney or Drinkwitz then I might be inclined to give Terry a shot which is something I wouldn't have said 2 weeks ago. Terry has really done a nice job at righting the locker room and bringing PSU's identity back to the team, and he deserves a lot of credit for the job he's done regardless of what happens going forward. Last night's game was one of the most enjoyable to watch in an long time.
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My sentiments exactly. It really shouldn't be that hard to understand, yet some can't accept it.
 
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DaytonRickster

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BuckIdoc said:
I’m an Ohio State fan — full disclosure. I always loved JoePa, though - like Woody, Bo, the bear, he was an icon. It was really heartbreaking to see the way Penn State treated him at the end, and I can’t even imagine how much that would have hurt if I was a Penn State fan.

I feel like after Joe died, the Penn state program lost a lot of its identity. A lot of the programs have — they are mostly football factories now — but maybe because of how long Joe was around, it always felt like Penn State had more identity then most of the blue blood programs.

You guys had that identity again last night. That intern coach loves Joe, loves the team, is brave and honest, wore that button — it brought me to tears, and I don’t even like you guys.

I think you should hire him. He may not work out, but if he does, he will bring back that part of your program that was always so special. Give him a few years - he’ll get Joe’s statue back up. Most programs would be thrilled to get someone who lives and dies with their program and loves it the way he does. You guys could have that — that passion, that love, that integrity — and you’d trade it for Urban Meyer? WHY?

just my perspective as an outsider. I understand the desire to win the championship. It’s awesome, and it’s been a long time for you. But all these other guys you think about hiring — they or someone like them will still be around in 3 years if this doesn’t work. This opportunity with Terry Smith - the passion and time will probably never be as right again as it is now, and he may make you the kind of program in both wins and character that makes OSU jealous. None of your other candidates will do that.

Again, after watching last night I felt passionately enough that I just wanted to say something. I have no desire to upset anyone or troll on your board.
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Appreciate your words. I want Chesney (JMU); if not I'm OK with Terry Smith.
 
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Erial_Lion

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cntblvitsbutter said:
I could be wrong, but isn't Brady's claim to fame mostly he led the offense that made Burrow the #1 pick?
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I mean, he's also the Bills offensive coordinator. 36 years old, high level college experience, multiple years of experience as an NFL offensive coordinator, has a PSU degree...he has a lot that I like.
 
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Ludd

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VT00 said:
What exactly does this mean though? Franklin was fired because he didn't win enough big games. Now it's about being "Penn State"?
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For some on here it’s always been about being Penn State which is why they’ve never accepted Franklin (and they won’t accept the next guy unless it’s Terry Smith or Bobby Engram).
 
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G3624

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Someone should make a list of all the coaches he hired anywhere and list those coaches accomplishments. The best I can find is Ruhl at Temple
 
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m.knox

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Erial_Lion said:
I mean, he's also the Bills offensive coordinator. 36 years old, high level college experience, multiple years of experience as an NFL offensive coordinator, has a PSU degree...he has a lot that I like.
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I had to look it up. Google says he went to William & Mary. Graduated in 2013. He was a grad assistant at PSU in 2015 and 2016. Moved up through the ranks pretty quickly.
 
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Grant Green

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Erial_Lion said:
I mean, he's also the Bills offensive coordinator. 36 years old, high level college experience, multiple years of experience as an NFL offensive coordinator, has a PSU degree...he has a lot that I like.
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Positives: bills offense has been top 5 in ppg the past two years. As I recall he turned things around mid season when they fired Dorsey (so despite having Josh Allen their offense was underperforming)
The saints were top 4 in ppg when he was there.
of course LSU but they were loaded
He’s Only 36

negatives. No HC experience.
Carolina was not good when he was there. It is Carolina though. And Matt Rhule.
 
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Midnighter

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Feel like folks are way overvaluing a couple wins over teams we should beat but anyways….

 
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