Dodge’s decision to stay an extra year
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Greene will portal to Kennesaw State and Crowder will stay. You will have them staggered properly with Doege in one more year, Nicco redshirt, Crowder the back up.
Greene will portal to Kennesaw State and Crowder will stay. You will have them staggered properly with Doege in one more year, Nicco redshirt, Crowder the back up.
The RS freshman may take the job in the Spring or Fall and Doege may be the backup. Let's wait and see.
Willing to bet that Brown and Doege talked about this prior to the decision to stay and if Doege was going to be the backup …then he wouldn’t be returning next year.
in this era of the transfer portal, no one is going to rot for ‘their turn’…. It’s either play me now or I’m moving on.
One, there is no way in hell any coach can tell a player he'll be the starter next year unless the others just enter the portal. Two, if Doege gets beat out in the Spring as I expect he will probably take his degree and move on. He may stay regardless just to get his Masters degree. He'll never play on Sundays
There's no way a coach can guarantee someone they'll be a starter next year. If Doege stays then it means he thinks he's good enough to start. And since he sees Greene & Crowder every day in practice he might be right. He hasn't seen Nicco live yet but then again even if Nicco is destined to be a star he probably won't be better as a true freshman than a 24 year old with about 30 starts under his belt.
Not sure what you mean. A coach can do whatever he wants. He might not tell anyone else but Doege, but then again he may tell others where they are in the pecking order with explanation.
Its unlikely a quality QB losing playing time will stay, but Brown has shown Doege is his guy and there's no indication he has any intention of altering that. For Doege, you aren't staying on a whim, you'd have to know you are starting or why waste a year of your life?
Well yeah, in literal terms a coach can tell a player whatever he wants, but I'm just saying that it would probably not behoove a coach to guarantee that. Maybe Brown would say something like "Unless something unexpected happens, you'll start in 2022," but I doubt he (or many other coaches) would do that if they were thinking completely otherwise inside their own head. I get that coaches have an incentive to lie sometimes but OTOH, in the interest of being respected and seen as a straight shooter by the players, the coach probably has an incentive to be at least ballpark honest about stuff like this.
ETA: Also, I don't think Brown has shown that Doege is his guy so much as he's shown that he thinks Doege is the best QB right now. And I think he's right on that. Greene not a great passer and is small and Crowder is a true freshman. I'm not crazy about how well Doege has done and I do wish they'd give Greene more of a shot now and then, but I suspect Doege is the best QB on the team at this point and that Brown playing Doege so much is simply a recognition of that.
I'm simply looking at it from Doege's perspective. Obviously if you are done with your education and you have 0 pro QB prospects, there would be very little motivation to come back to WVU for another year unless you are confident in your starting QB position.
The only way to be truly confident of that starting position would be if the head coach told you that you will be starting. Otherwise it would just be a gamble with nothing behind that gamble.
I'm sure they'll do the obligatory "we'll evaluate", but let's be real. Greene isn't just not a "great" passer, he can't hit the broad side of a barn at 10 paces. Crowder must not be a solid QB because Brown refuses to play him even in the face of consecutive losses, and Nicco? who knows if he'll show up once signing day has passed--expect the remainder of this season will play a large roll in that. But he would be a freshman and unlikely to play under Brown for a couple of years.
The only way to be truly confident of that starting position would be if the head coach told you that you will be starting. Otherwise it would just be a gamble with nothing behind that gamble.
I'm sure they'll do the obligatory "we'll evaluate", but let's be real. Greene isn't just not a "great" passer, he can't hit the broad side of a barn at 10 paces. Crowder must not be a solid QB because Brown refuses to play him even in the face of consecutive losses, and Nicco? who knows if he'll show up once signing day has passed--expect the remainder of this season will play a large roll in that. But he would be a freshman and unlikely to play under Brown for a couple of years.
Doege has been playing better. He threw to lots of targets against Texas instead of locking down with one receiver. Prather has helped open things up a lot.
I for one hope he does stay.
If he does, and gets beat out, that means that our new starter is B12 quality, maybe just inexperienced. He would be a capable backup, ala Austin Kendall, if something happens to the starter or the team needs a jump start for some reason.
If he stays until after spring and gets beat out then transfers maybe he ends up a starter at some lower level school also like Kendall.
If he wins the job, hopefully that means he has improved to the point where his inconsistency is no longer a liability.
That in no way, shape, or form means that WVU doesn't go shopping in the portal for the best QB there, especially if it's a one and done type of thing or better yet a potential multi-year starter. You just don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
If he does, and gets beat out, that means that our new starter is B12 quality, maybe just inexperienced. He would be a capable backup, ala Austin Kendall, if something happens to the starter or the team needs a jump start for some reason.
If he stays until after spring and gets beat out then transfers maybe he ends up a starter at some lower level school also like Kendall.
If he wins the job, hopefully that means he has improved to the point where his inconsistency is no longer a liability.
That in no way, shape, or form means that WVU doesn't go shopping in the portal for the best QB there, especially if it's a one and done type of thing or better yet a potential multi-year starter. You just don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
You would be confident because you ARE the starter. No coach is going to guarantee you a starting job. Obviously, he doesn't feel threatened by Greene or Crowder and why should he? What have they proven when it counts?
Nothing. They aren't better than he is or they'd be starting now. Doege's the starter by default and will be until someone better than him beats him out. Greene's no passing threat and teams don't even respect the pass when he's in. Crowder may not be that good, or that consistent, or that knowledgeable yet - with him we don't really know. The Nicco kid may beat them all out or may not. But, in any instance, things should shake out in the spring.
Kneel Clown will always go with the status quo. His idea of success is mediocrity. What a flaming loser.
Brown doesn't have a better option than Doege as he has failed to either recruit or develop any QB better than Doege has performed.
Most of the excuses for wanting Dana gone was that he could never develop QB talent and depended too much on the transfer portal. Looks like history is repeating itself.
Its definitely an issue. I will say there is a difference between the 2 in that Dana's approach depended on having a quality QB because a quality defense and a grind it out run game were never an option. Meaning even if the QB was quality, the QB better not have a bad game (Grier vs ISU 2018) or even half (Grier vs OSU 2018). Therefore its a pretty big failing when your entire game plan revolves around a position you cannot recruit/develop well and you have to hope a guy already ready to play the position transfers in. At least Brown is not forgetting about the defense. He is however trying to smash square pegs into round holes by getting the offensive line fit the rigid system which is a big failing on his part.
The flaw in your theory is that Leddie Brown, Dana Holgorsen's recruit, has been the only running back that HCNB has used to "grind it out" during the past two seasons.
No offense to Leddie, but he is average at best with vision, cutting, and burst. He is not good at all at break away speed. Ultimately he is not a bad player and the best WVU has, but he is no Amos, Cobourne, Quincy, Slaton, or Devine. I'd say Smallwood and Kay Jay Harris were as good. All that being said, the quality of the RB is secondary to the horrible line play which I said is the as big a problem with Brown's staff as the QB position.
Everyone got mad when Dana didn’t go after Nester hard.
maybe Nester wasn’t that good and Dana recognized it and that he didn’t fit the air raid offensive system.
maybe Nester wasn’t that good and Dana recognized it and that he didn’t fit the air raid offensive system.
what choice did he have? working for BWs in the Suncrest village or throwing interceptions? Please, that place is a dump but instead he gets to get eat real food with real service. BW's service is crap. Just saying.
That’s not the reason. We face planted at the end of the Grier era and we’re setup to fail in 2019 regardless if the coach was Brown or DH.
The “develop a QB” narrative might have a little run on these boards but I’m pretty sure the broader fanbase does not care where the QB came from so long as the QB can play at a high level.
Doege could be a premier WV QB and a great QB if would stop pulling a Doege late in the games. Pulling a Doege includes int against Maryland late, VT int late for a TD, Iowa St pick six, missing a wide open Leddie for a TD against TT, missing throwing the football out of bounds on a Hail Mary against TT, missing everybody against OK St.
If he cleans up some of these please, learn to throw the ball away and step up in the air pocket, West Virginia could easily be at 8 to 9 wins this year
If he cleans up some of these please, learn to throw the ball away and step up in the air pocket, West Virginia could easily be at 8 to 9 wins this year
You're moving the goalposts to advance a pro-HCNB/anti-Holgorsen agenda. Brown is far better than any running back that has signed with WVU since HCNB arrived. He runs with great power, blocks well, and is a good receiver out of the backfield. Whether he's better than WVU running backs in the old days is irrelevant.
He has a below average arm, average mobility, below average decision making, average accuracy and you expect him to magically stop the results of having those attributes? He’s going to continue turning it over at a healthy pace even if he gets 10 years of eligibility, Brown needs to bring in an alternate if he has any intention to continue being a head coach whether it’s here or elsewhere.
Being able to recruit a prospect and develop their abilities is a much more stable way to run the program. A gem like Grier gets dropped into your lap, you take it. But if you depend on that to happen in order to have any hope of competing for the conference crown, that's more or less gambling. A decent QB coach can take a guy without much physical gifts like Brad Lewis and get some serviceable play. It's kind of like difference between an offense that either hits big plays or goes 3 and out vs the offense that regularly picks up 5 yards per play with the occasional big play. Sure thee former can beat the latter, but the latter is more steady and reliable.
And the same people bashing Holgorsen are now selling its all good— even though WVU averaged 8 wins a season DHs last five and now averages about 5 per season under Brown.
Once in a while a poster on the free shows brain activity. He’s def not one of them
Same ol same ol. Threw some amazing passes and did some smart things, but pulled a Doege for a pick six (almost pulled a Doege put defender dropped the ball earlier in the game for a pick six).
I’m just not sure coming back for sixth year will help. You have to think that if he hasn’t gotten it by now, he never will.
He’s a below average QB and his play drags down this program. How Brown is willing to let the QB position continue to be unaddressed this off-season is unbelievable and a fireable offense.