Does Anyone Associated with UK Football Program Know How to Recruit a QB?
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It;s all about PLAYER DEVELOPMENT! And when it comes to QB's , this staff hasn't proven to be very good at it
Yes, of course, development is part of the problem.
Maybe hiring a QB coach would help in the SEC? Do you think that's tough to figure out?
Please explain to me why we never hired a QB coach while Neal Brown was here? Towles flew to the West Coast to get offseason help from some QB guru probably because we didn't even have a QB coach.
Why didn't we give Reese Phillips a shot? I heard Neal Brown say Phillips was a SEC quality QB.
I feel lucky to have Steve Johnson at this point after watching Towles continue to flail at BC.
Fact is, we might have won 6 games in a season with decent management at the QB position.
I am much happier with Coach Gran and Hinshaw running the show, but it may be too late to save Coach Stoops from himself after blowing it the last 3 years.
This is the same sentiment that I heard from coaches. Yes, it proves nothing, I agree. My original post was not intended to criticize Barker or praise Towles. It was only offered as perspective and food for thought, albeit based on high school performance and evaluation. Although both are decent, I don't believe either to be SEC-level quarterbacks. Barker still has time to change my mind, of course. Time will tell .....
Maybe one reason we didn't hire a qb coach is that's what both Neal brown and Shannon Dawson had Done their entire career, and what they over saw. (Gran is coaching running backs now).
So we did have a qb coach, and that was brown and Dawson. And it hurts development when you change that every year. (Brown getting a hc job started the domino effect and moved Dawson quickly when it wasn't working out).
The guy who complained that Stoops doesn't recruit good quarterbacks doesn't know what he is talking about. Barker, Clark, Williams, Stidham, Kendall, Jones are/were all 4-stars with multiple P5 offers. Barker had an offer from Spurrier. Clark decommitted from Ohio State. Jones was committed to Kentucky for a year before changing his mind and choosing Alabama. The other poster who says Stoops doesn't know how to recruit offensive linemen obviously hasn't fact-checked. Young, Jackson, Leavitt had offers from Alabama. LOL! GAA, Fortner, Meadows, Richardson had offers from multiple P5 programs. In both cases, frustrated posters are mistaking failure to reach bowl games (so far) for a lack of recruiting skill. So I will state the obvious again. Stoops is starting 7 sophomores, 2 freshmen, and a juco-transfer quarterback. Stoops has been the best recruiter in modern Kentucky football history. So far, this hasn't translated to bowl games. There have been some impressive development stories like Za'Darius Smith, Melvin Lewis, CJ Johnson, Alvonte Bell, Kengera Daniel, Jordan Jones, Josh Allen, Derrick Baity, Mike Edwards, Blake McClain, Juice Johnson, Logan Stenberg, Bunchy Stallings, so forth. Then, there have been developmental failures like Blake Bone, Mikel Horton, Nick Richardson, Matt Elam, Jaleel Hytchye. IOW, just like any college program. There is a lot of talent on Kentucky's roster, but inexperienced players are starting all over Stoops' front 7. In 2017, 19 incumbent starters and both kickers will be back. That's when we will know if Stoops can win with an experienced roster. This isn't what people want to hear now, but that is irrelevant. It has only been a decade since our fans tried to run off Rich Brooks.
Seems to me a porous OL and WRs that had a severe case of the drops the past couple seasons made our QBs look much worse than they probably were. Not saying they were fantastic, but it's not 100% on them either.
So what's the next topic the debbie-downers will create to ***** about today? No need to try and take positives out of a team that is obviously getting better and still has a fighting chance to reach a team-goal of making a bowl game. Let's create a few more threads so we can grab our pitchforks and torches and go marching through the town square.
So what's the next topic the debbie-downers will create to ***** about today? No need to try and take positives out of a team that is obviously getting better and still has a fighting chance to reach a team-goal of making a bowl game. Let's create a few more threads so we can grab our pitchforks and torches and go marching through the town square.
I agree 100 percent! Next year will be the year to judge Coach Stoops! Fans like me are impatient! But disasters aren't fixed over night!
Don't we have a 4* dual threat committed for '18? I remember seeing the tape he looked real good.
I know t makes you feel better saying stoops is best recruiter in modern football history. But you're completely discrediting the facility upgrades that are 100% to credit for the recruiting success. I'm sorry. But if stoops had the recruiting room joker and Brooks were dealing with (a table with some metal chairs, in comparison to stoops state of the art facility), he would've probably recruited at a much worse level than Brooks. Considering what Brooks had to work with (less than 1% of what stoops has to work with), and had MB kept his promise to Brooks. Than he would've stayed here longer, and considering how much more popular UK football was in his day, if we upgraded the facilities while he was here he could've taken us to great heights where we could've won 10 games some years. Considering how much better the brand was then. So considering what Brooks had to work with, and the fact he still brought in damn good players, I'd have to say he's BY FAR the best recruiter in the modern era without a close second.
I think people love to give stoops a lot more credit than deserved on the recruiting trail. No matter who came to coach at UK, with these facilities, recruiting no matter what was going to exponentiate. No matter who the coach was, our recruiting was going to reach an all time high with these facilities and playing time available. Literally the only point in creating these facilities was to improve recruiting and the football program. Which we spent hundreds of millions on. When you spend hundreds of millions for the sole purpose to improve recruiting. Then believe me. No matter who the coach was. Recruiting was going to hit an all time high. Give Brooks these facilities and I wouldn't have been surprised to see us reach 10-15 recruiting class rankings some years. Can't say for sure obviously but wouldn't have in the least bit surprised me. Considering the success he brought with classes touted way less. So if you factor in what the coaches had to work with. I would consider Brooks by far the best recruiter at UK in the modern era and it's not even really close in my opinion to be honest. Because he seriously had less than 1% of what Stoops had to work with as far as recruiting tools go.
Video game numbers is it we're upset about? Or is it from what has seemed to be a decline the last few years? We went 5-7 2 seasons ago. Then the next season. With a WAYYY easier schedule, we go 5-7 again with practically the same team except a year older. We started off last season 5-1. And at the same point as last season we're 3-3 with a terrible loss to a terrible team. Is steady improvement too much to ask for? According to you, apparently so. We're supposed to be content with terrible coaches and terrible football teams even though God knows we deserve better. We deserve to see a winner on the field, which isn't appearing likely at any point under the stoops poops regime.
Barker looked pretty good until he tweaked his back vs USM. Then first play against UF he was hammered and further injured it.
Johnson has been serviceable. Not sure much more should be expected of him at this time.
Don't think the QB recruiting has been terrible. But the management of them when they have gotten on campus has been poor. No reason Phillips and Barker didn't receive game reps when Towles was the struggling starter. And IF Barker is out for the season, no reason Hoak is not receiving game reps now.
Johnson has been serviceable. Not sure much more should be expected of him at this time.
Don't think the QB recruiting has been terrible. But the management of them when they have gotten on campus has been poor. No reason Phillips and Barker didn't receive game reps when Towles was the struggling starter. And IF Barker is out for the season, no reason Hoak is not receiving game reps now.
Huh? Barker looked awful. I don't know what people see in him so far. Terrible decisions, immaturity, interceptions, etc.
I'll take Steve Johnson so far over Barker and Towles.
I'm sure you know so much more than our AD and entire coaching staff. Honestly, shocked no one has hired you yet.
He was 11/19 for 287 and 4 TDs in the first half vs USM. He supposedly tweaked his nagging back injury on one of the many sacks in the 2nd half vs them. How is that terrible?
The Stoops confirmed the play 1 vs UF jarred his back again and he played injured when he shouldn't have...same thing again vs NMS and as you have seen, he has been out for weeks and weeks w/no return date even mentioned...I'd say a pretty severe injury.
If word of injury never came out, I'd agree with you about the INTs and decisions...but drop in play coincides with injury. Worst decision he made was to try and tough out the injury - he isn't good/smart/experienced enough to play through injury like some QBs are.
Kinda OT but not really...but Bret Favre comes to mind when talkin about being experienced playing through injury. Dude could straight ball once he was hurt. Give ole boy an injury and get out of his way. A much better QB when he was hurt. He made a joke after his retirement that it was the painkillers giving him a boost but he also admitted to getting treatment for the addiction. Maybe him being high on painkillers was his normal? Maybe couldn't function as well without them? Don't know but dude could play hurt.