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I'd pay fair market value for a so-so QB that hasn't played in 3 years.. bu that's certainly not $20m.
 

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I'd pay fair market value for a so-so QB that hasn't played in 3 years.. bu that's certainly not $20m.


For me it's not the talent......and to be honest, it's not as much the price.....(but I wouldn't pay that much anyway for him). To me it's the circus that comes with him.
 
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The Broncos paid Case Keenum over 20 a year and are going to eat the 2nd year of that contract. As a Broncos fan I’d rather have Kaepernick.
 

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The Broncos paid Case Keenum over 20 a year and are going to eat the 2nd year of that contract. As a Broncos fan I’d rather have Kaepernick.

I'm surprised with Elway running things that the Broncos keep striking out on quarterbacks seemingly every year.
 

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I'm surprised with Elway running things that the Broncos keep striking out on quarterbacks seemingly every year.

Tell me about it.

Osweiler, Lynch, Siemien, Kelly, Keenum. And now Flacco?

The defense has been consistently good to great but man, you can’t win in the NFL without a QB.
 

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Guys like Tannehill are going to get deals better than that. Kaepernick is better than roughly half or a third of the starters in the league.
 

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The premise of the OP's post if incorrect.

Kaep is asking $20M because he believes he is a STARTING QB in the NFL. The NFL is littered with terrible starting QB's that have zero business getting $15-$20M a year.

Second, after the pay day he got from the NFL (reports of $60M-$80M), it clearly looks like the NFL paid him starting QB money to have him drop his case.

My Giants will be paying Eli Manning over $23M to play QB. Sorry, but the Giants would be better served to have Kaep starting with both Barkley and OBJ.
 

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For me it's not the talent......and to be honest, it's not as much the price.....(but I wouldn't pay that much anyway for him). To me it's the circus that comes with him.

You mean like the circus that follows Eric Reid and the Panthers?

While I am sure the first few weeks will be crazy, as with the whole kneeling things, it will stop being a focus and everything will go back to normal.

As for my previous post, having a starting QB you know is not going to be good this season is just an awful feeling.
 

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The premise of the OP's post if incorrect.

Kaep is asking $20M because he believes he is a STARTING QB in the NFL. The NFL is littered with terrible starting QB's that have zero business getting $15-$20M a year.

Second, after the pay day he got from the NFL (reports of $60M-$80M), it clearly looks like the NFL paid him starting QB money to have him drop his case.

My Giants will be paying Eli Manning over $23M to play QB. Sorry, but the Giants would be better served to have Kaep starting with both Barkley and OBJ.
With half the fans in the stands I bet the management team disagrees with you
 

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It all comes down to skills vs baggage. Kap is 31 and has been out of the league for 2 years.

His best two years...

2013 - he had 21TD's and 8 ints with 3,100 yards passing and 500 rushing yards with 4 rushing TD's.

2014 - The next season he had 3,600 yards passing with 19tds and 10ints with 650 yards rushing and 1 rushing TD.

He played 16 games in both of those seasons but those are the only two seasons that he played more than 11 games. And that last good season was in 2014...which was 4 seasons ago.

He relied a ton on his legs...to get out of the pocket to pass and to just run. I'm sure nothing has magically changed on that front in his two years out of the league. Although, 31 is relatively young for an NFL QB and he would have "fresh legs".

One could argue that his window is gone...at least for being an effective starter on a regular basis. If he hasn't kept himself in decent shape that is almost a certainty.

However...if he has stayed in decent shape there is no doubt he could start for some of the teams in the NFL...and would definitely be a serviceable backup for most of the other teams.

Teams just have to decide if the juice is worth the squeeze.

Someone will sign him. Just not at $20 million. If he holds out for that number then I am convinced he doesn't really want to play at all. Just wants to act like he does and then say that teams don't want him because of the baggage.
 

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Guys like Tannehill are going to get deals better than that. Kaepernick is better than roughly half or a third of the starters in the league.

Tannehill is a more proven product at this point. Is he quite worth $20m.. probably not, and certainly not after this injury. But at the time the Dolphins signed him when he was healthy and playing very well. He also restructured his contract into signing bonus' to help the 'Phins shed salary.

Tannehill isn't going to get $20m a year again after that ACL and shoulder injury.. but that aside, yes, he's 100% worth more than Kap.
 

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It all comes down to skills vs baggage. Kap is 31 and has been out of the league for 2 years.

His best two years...

2013 - he had 21TD's and 8 ints with 3,100 yards passing and 500 rushing yards with 4 rushing TD's.

2014 - The next season he had 3,600 yards passing with 19tds and 10ints with 650 yards rushing and 1 rushing TD.

He played 16 games in both of those seasons but those are the only two seasons that he played more than 11 games. And that last good season was in 2014...which was 4 seasons ago.

He relied a ton on his legs...to get out of the pocket to pass and to just run. I'm sure nothing has magically changed on that front in his two years out of the league. Although, 31 is relatively young for an NFL QB and he would have "fresh legs".

One could argue that his window is gone...at least for being an effective starter on a regular basis. If he hasn't kept himself in decent shape that is almost a certainty.

However...if he has stayed in decent shape there is no doubt he could start for some of the teams in the NFL...and would definitely be a serviceable backup for most of the other teams.

Teams just have to decide if the juice is worth the squeeze.

Someone will sign him. Just not at $20 million. If he holds out for that number then I am convinced he doesn't really want to play at all. Just wants to act like he does and then say that teams don't want him because of the baggage.

I think this is more about figuring out who Kap is than his politics.. at least at this point. Not only are you getting a headache, but it might be a washed-up headache. If Kap comes back for 1 year.. and shows he's still got it.. other teams will offer.

But no.. no one is going to throw $20 million at him. He's out of his mind.
 

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You mean like the circus that follows Eric Reid and the Panthers?

While I am sure the first few weeks will be crazy, as with the whole kneeling things, it will stop being a focus and everything will go back to normal.

As for my previous post, having a starting QB you know is not going to be good this season is just an awful feeling.


The guy hasn’t played in yrs and the kneeling thing still permeates across media. Him playing anywhere would spark even further. Sure, it could blow over after a while but the first yr would be filled with unwanted attention for a backup QB who hasn’t played in yrs.....let alone played well. Just not worth it.
 

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This piece is by Max Kellerman who knows less about football than my 5-year-old granddaughter but who fancies himself some great liberal crusader. He's written about Kaepernick roughly 100 times in the past two years, always either citing him as another Jackie Robinson-MLK Jr., or urging yet another team to sign him. In other words, this isn't a piece about football, it's a piece about politics.

As for football: People either forget or want to ignore the fact that Kaepernick had already been benched and pushed aside before the kneeling controversy as a totally inept quarterback.

Here's a story written about him in November 2016 -- before the controversy:

"Kaepernick was replaced by Gabbert for a reason — he turned in one of the worst quarterbacking seasons in recent NFL history. The Browns wouldn’t have started him.
Let’s refresh the memory:
Last season, Kaepernick had a defense-adjusted yards above replacement — Football Outsiders’ ultimate value quotient — of minus-182, 35th in the NFL. By all metrics, he was one of the worst quarterbacks in the league.


As he hasn't really played since then, I seriously doubt he's gotten better.

As a football player, he's worth less than what the Redskins pay Colt McCoy -- who has actually been pressed into duty as a starter more than once -- $3 million. Tops.

If you own a franchise and want to politically grandstand, he's worth whatever you want to pay him. My theory: Kaepernick knows he's completely washed up as a player. He deosn't want to sign so he makes outrageous demands, which allows him to continue in his posture as a martyr.

This narrative is 100% ********.

Kaep "lost" his job because at the start of the season Keap was still recovering from three offseason surgeries. Once healthy, (which he still wasn't 100% healthy), he resumed starting.

But as previously stated, as written, this is 100% ********.
 
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Tannehill is a more proven product at this point. Is he quite worth $20m.. probably not, and certainly not after this injury. But at the time the Dolphins signed him when he was healthy and playing very well. He also restructured his contract into signing bonus' to help the 'Phins shed salary.

Tannehill isn't going to get $20m a year again after that ACL and shoulder injury.. but that aside, yes, he's 100% worth more than Kap.

Kaep took his team to a NFC Championship and the SuperBowl. Tannehill took his team to the playoffs maybe once?
 
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Bengals? Why not. Who cares.
I care but, I am confused about what when it comes to the Bungles. Maybe just maybe, the new coach will have them in the......................................................................locker room at halftime of every game next season cleaning up to get on the bus to go home. They could never hold a lead if they got one and if they left early, I would not have to suffer through watching them lose again and again to Pittsburgh.
 
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If the bungles don’t draft devin white out of LSU, my head will explode. We don’t need Murray nor will he be there. Some bungle fans have thrown out the idea of trading for Rosen, but I’m not giving up a first round or second round pick for him
 
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I doubt the guy gives a **** after cleaning up in his rightful collusion case against the NFL. Reportedly he got $60-$80 million.
 
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