Donati on NIL negotiations

[18IsTheMan]

"In some cases, candidly, the conversations we've had with other agents, the cost, the price, the salary is double, triple quadruple what it was last year." Talks about how player and agent demands are incompatible with the new salary cap.

Per Jordan Kaye in The State

 

[Gamecock Disciple]

Seemingly everyone is saying there must be guardrails in places, procedures ..... there must be a stop to this madness. However, we continue along this road and it is ruining college sports (FBS at least) .... can anyone make it stop?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Seemingly everyone is saying there must be guardrails in places, procedures ..... there must be a stop to this madness. However, we continue along this road and it is ruining college sports (FBS at least) .... can anyone make it stop?

The cap really hurts schools. Player X doesn't care how much money you have to work with. He wants what everyone in "his camp" is telling him he's worth. And Players A, B and C all feel the same way.

 

[Dabo's Weenie]

The cap really hurts schools. Player X doesn't care how much money you have to work with. He wants what everyone in "his camp" is telling him he's worth. And Players A, B and C all feel the same way.

The reality is that no school has an unlimited budget and they can price themselves out of a job, not finding a seat when the music stops.

This will eventually sort itself out through either regulation or market forces that dictate the reality to these people.

 

[18IsTheMan]

The reality is that no school has an unlimited budget and they can price themselves out of a job, not finding a seat when the music stops.

This will eventually sort itself out through either regulation or market forces that dictate the reality to these people.

The school's themselves should "unionize". It would be fantastic if the P4 programs came together, like the mafia families, and just formed an agreement that they aren't going to be extorted by the players. It would be very easy for them to come up with a formula to set a player's value based on production. And stick to it. Doesn't matter what program you want to go to, this is how much you're getting. Period.

Every coach, on the one hand, bemoans the constant shuffling of players in the portal, but, on the other hand, they all take part in it. If they could just come together and make an agreement, that would sort a lot of this stuff out. Everyone's looking for a competitive advantage, but if they could work it out that "we aren't going to overpay to steal your players, and you aren't going to overpay to steal my players" that could fix much of this.

Instead of everyone sitting around complaining about the same thing, come together and fix it. Right now the players have all the power b/c they know they can shop around for the best NIL deal. Schools can take that power back and still be in compliance with the new laws.

 

[Dabo's Weenie]

The school's themselves should "unionize". It would be fantastic if the P4 programs came together, like the mafia families, and just formed an agreement that they aren't going to be extorted by the players. It would be very easy for them to come up with a formula to set a player's value based on production. And stick to it. Doesn't matter what program you want to go to, this is how much you're getting. Period.

Every coach, on the one hand, bemoans the constant shuffling of players in the portal, but, on the other hand, they all take part in it. If they could just come together and make an agreement, that would sort a lot of this stuff out. Everyone's looking for a competitive advantage, but if they could work it out that "we aren't going to overpay to steal your players, and you aren't going to overpay to steal my players" that could fix much of this.

Instead of everyone sitting around complaining about the same thing, come together and fix it. Right now the players have all the power b/c they know they can shop around for the best NIL deal. Schools can take that power back and still be in compliance with the new laws.

I'm pretty sure the scenario you describe in your first paragraph would be labeled "collusion" and "price fixing" and met with legal action. The NFL can't do that, so not sure how the schools could.

Iamaleava is an example of thinking you're more than you are... and he probably regrets listening to his "crew".

 

[18IsTheMan]

I'm pretty sure the scenario you describe in your first paragraph would be labeled "collusion" and "price fixing" and met with legal action. The NFL can't do that, so not sure how the schools could.

Iamaleava is an example of thinking you're more than you are... and he probably regrets listening to his "crew".

If they go about it the right way, they could avoid collusion.

Obviously, it won't happen.

 

[gamecock stock]

"In some cases, candidly, the conversations we've had with other agents, the cost, the price, the salary is double, triple quadruple what it was last year."

I'm a retiree. The increase in my Social Security next month will be 2.8%. They are talking about "double, triple, quadruple what it was last year"? Give me a break!!! I won't give one cent to NIL I could. I've had a good year with my investments. But I prefer giving to charity than to ungrateful kids. I gave to charities last month. One of them, the Salvation Army, sent me a typed thank you letter. On the side of that typed letter, the leader of the local Salvation Army wrote "Thank you to God for (wrote in my name)". I did not ask for that acknowledgement. But I'd be lying if I said that written comment did not touch my heart. If I gave to NIL, players would probably tell me to kiss their a$$.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I'm a retiree. The increase in my Social Security next month will be 2.8%. They are talking about "double, triple, quadruple what it was last year"? Give me a break!!! I won't give one cent to NIL I could. I've had a good year with my investments. But I prefer giving to charity than to ungrateful kids. I gave to charities last month. One of them, the Salvation Army, sent me a typed thank you letter. On the side of that typed letter, the leader of the local Salvation Army wrote "Thank you to God for (wrote in my name)". I did not ask for that acknowledgement. But I'd be lying if I said that written comment did not touch my heart. If I gave to NIL, players would probably tell me to kiss their a$$.

You hit on a great point. Gratitude. Has any player ever come out and publicly thanked NIL supporters for allowing them to live more lavishly in college than most working Americans?

It makes me sick now to think about it.

 

[Dabo's Weenie]

I'm a retiree. The increase in my Social Security next month will be 2.8%. They are talking about "double, triple, quadruple what it was last year"? Give me a break!!! I won't give one cent to NIL I could. I've had a good year with my investments. But I prefer giving to charity than to ungrateful kids. I gave to charities last month. One of them, the Salvation Army, sent me a typed thank you letter. On the side of that typed letter, the leader of the local Salvation Army wrote "Thank you to God for (wrote in my name)". I did not ask for that acknowledgement. But I'd be lying if I said that written comment did not touch my heart. If I gave to NIL, players would probably tell me to kiss their a$$.

While not playing so they don't risk injury.

 

[Piscis]

You hit on a great point. Gratitude. Has any player ever come out and publicly thanked NIL supporters for allowing them to live more lavishly in college than most working Americans?

It makes me sick now to think about it.

Don't you realize those players deserve that money? They were SLAVES before NIL, now they are getting what they have always deserved!

I hope the free market will take care of the NIL problem. It seems to me that, at some point, the fools giving money to the NIL collectives will see the folly in pouring money into players who have zero loyalty to the school the NIL donors are trying to help.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Don't you realize those players deserve that money? They were SLAVES before NIL, now they are getting what they have always deserved!

I hope the free market will take care of the NIL problem. It seems to me that, at some point, the fools giving money to the NIL collectives will see the folly in pouring money into players who have zero loyalty to the school the NIL donors are trying to help.

When are going to be hit paying reparations for watching college-football players play pre-NIL?

 

[Dabo's Weenie]

When are going to be hit paying reparations for watching college-football players play pre-NIL?

There have already been lawsuits by former players looking to get a piece of the current pie, but the ones I've seen have been dismissed due to time limitations.

 

[JohnnySolo]

The money will stop. Boomers first, then GenX and lets be honest Millennials and GenZ aren't giving anything. Imagine what will happen if we experience another true recession and large donors and corp money dries up.

 

[18IsTheMan]

The money will stop. Boomers first, then GenX and lets be honest Millennials and GenZ aren't giving anything. Imagine what will happen if we experience another true recession and large donors and corp money dries up.

It can't happen soon enough

 

[Uscg1984]

I'm a retiree. The increase in my Social Security next month will be 2.8%. They are talking about "double, triple, quadruple what it was last year"? Give me a break!!! I won't give one cent to NIL I could. I've had a good year with my investments. But I prefer giving to charity than to ungrateful kids. I gave to charities last month. One of them, the Salvation Army, sent me a typed thank you letter. On the side of that typed letter, the leader of the local Salvation Army wrote "Thank you to God for (wrote in my name)". I did not ask for that acknowledgement. But I'd be lying if I said that written comment did not touch my heart. If I gave to NIL, players would probably tell me to kiss their a$$.

If you want to give some tuition money to a freshman microbiology major in Montana, I'll make sure he sends you a _handwritten_ thank-you note!

 

[Dabo's Weenie]

If you want to give some tuition money to a freshman microbiology major in Montana, I'll make sure he sends you a _handwritten_ thank-you note!

Heck, I'll accept some after-the-fact, very belated help for a graduate engineering major and I'll see your hand-written note and raise you some home-baked cookies!

 

[I4CtheFuture]

"the salary is double, triple quadruple what it was last year."

Bottom line: Not sustainable.

 

[Dutch Cock]

Looks like the schools with the biggest pots will eventually be fighting over top HS recruits and portal transfers. The rest of the schools will have to take a back seat. It may be years but as the inferior teams fans apathy eventually says enough is enough and they get tired of crappy football and start staying home, maybe the powers to be, if there are any, will try to make changes that brings civility back to college football to get the interest and equality back in the sport.

 

[KingWard]

I'm pretty sure the scenario you describe in your first paragraph would be labeled "collusion" and "price fixing" and met with legal action. The NFL can't do that, so not sure how the schools could.

Iamaleava is an example of thinking you're more than you are... and he probably regrets listening to his "crew".

Antitrust potential.

 

[Cackmandu]

Not sure it was said here or not, but a lot of the sleaziness is agent involvement, they are driving the prices up for one reason, it puts more money in their pocket, they could care less about the kids. From what I understand they are working the deal backwards, they see a school that needs position A and they get a list together of potential suitors and make a deal happen at the schools expense. The only way to stop it is quit paying price and wind up sitting home for the holidays.

 

[Jonesz2]

I'm pretty sure the scenario you describe in your first paragraph would be labeled "collusion" and "price fixing" and met with legal action. The NFL can't do that, so not sure how the schools could.

Iamaleava is an example of thinking you're more than you are... and he probably regrets listening to his "crew".

Yeah nIL should be performance based. That would solve a lot of issues

 

[Forkcock]

I'm a retiree. The increase in my Social Security next month will be 2.8%. They are talking about "double, triple, quadruple what it was last year"? Give me a break!!! I won't give one cent to NIL I could. I've had a good year with my investments. But I prefer giving to charity than to ungrateful kids. I gave to charities last month. One of them, the Salvation Army, sent me a typed thank you letter. On the side of that typed letter, the leader of the local Salvation Army wrote "Thank you to God for (wrote in my name)". I did not ask for that acknowledgement. But I'd be lying if I said that written comment did not touch my heart. If I gave to NIL, players would probably tell me to kiss their a$$.

I'll never give a nickel to NIL. I invest my money in my retirement fund and my grandchildren's education fund.

 

[Piscis]

Yeah nIL should be performance based. That would solve a lot of issues

There are rules in place that prohibit tying NIL payments to performance or even to participation. The player can be required to remain on the team but that is about all.

 

[Dutch Cock]

The Indians have taken over the fort.