Don't eat them, but wear them......

[bornaneer]

Vegan Ellen DeGeneres recently launched a footwear line that will feature leather shoes, and, naturally, animal lovers are upset.
The shoe line, called “ED by Ellen,” will feature leather boots and is manufactured in Brazil by the Camuto Group, the same billion-dollar leather company that’s behind Nine West. The shoes, which will sell for $250 and up, will be available at Bergdorf Goodman in NYC as well as in other stores throughout the country and internationally in the spring.
DeGeneres is a well-known vegan and animal rights activist, so it’s not surprising that animal advocates are accusing the comedian of hypocrisy.
Adding to the controversy are the missing leather boots in the ED by Ellen line that are missing from the star’s website, but which appear on Bergdorf’s. The move appears to be a strategic one from DeGeneres’ camp so as to not alienate her vegan fans. But that tactic doesn’t seem to be working for some.
“It’s obviously all about the money for her. She doesn’t give a damn about the animals,” said Sarah Winnick, an Ellen fan and animal advocate, to the Dodo. “And, she is demeaning workers here in America by sending jobs overseas.
However, it doesn’t look like the comedian will change her mind anytime soon. It was just announced that DeGeneres is also launching a menswear line with leather lover West.
It really is an unfortunate turn of events for the likeable talk show host. In 2012, the star, while describing her vegan journey, said, “I’ve always called myself an animal lover. And yet I ate them…I would be driving past these cows on pastures, and think ‘What a lovely life that is,’ and I’d go and order a steak.

 

[Keyser76]

I love Vegans, more meat for me. Actually I can't really stomach vegans or their counterparts in PETA. Dumbasses don't understand how nature works. We are gonna have a problem in WV if more people don't continue or start to hunt, damn deer are like rabbits here in the eastern panhandle.

 

[op2]

Technology will one day solve this problem. Meat is delicious and a good source of protein so people like to eat it but it uses a tremendous amount of resources and is expensive and in the long run is going to get more expensive as the world becomes wealthier and people who currently can't afford meat start to be able to afford it and demand increases.

Eventually though there will be a synthetic alternative. I know that creeps people out, but someday when we're able to make something that tastes as good as meat, is easier to eat (cutting all that fat of a steak is a pain in the butt), is healthier than meat and cheaper than meat, it's going to be the people that insist on eating meat anyway that will look strange Not that that day will come anytime soon, but it will come.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Technology will one day solve this problem. Meat is delicious and a good source of protein so people like to eat it but it uses a tremendous amount of resources and is expensive and in the long run is going to get more expensive as the world becomes wealthier and people who currently can't afford meat start to be able to afford it and demand increases.

Eventually though there will be a synthetic alternative. I know that creeps people out, but someday when we're able to make something that tastes as good as meat, is easier to eat (cutting all that fat of a steak is a pain in the butt), is healthier than meat and cheaper than meat, it's going to be the people that insist on eating meat anyway that will look strange Not that that day will come anytime soon, but it will come.

I grew up with cattle. I have a deep seeded hatred for those damn things. I take pleasure eating a steak.

 

[op2]

I grew up with cattle. I have a deep seeded hatred for those damn things. I take pleasure eating a steak.

I like eating a steak too but cutting them up is a pain and then you get a piece in your mouth that's mostly fat and you chew and chew and then you have to put your fingers in your mouth and pull it out. And too much meat can be bad for you. And it's expensive. And it uses a lot of resources. You grew up with cattle because there was a need and demand for them but what if there was a better way to get what they provide?

Don't think of cattle as cattle, think of it as a meat factory. Up to now it's the most efficient meat factory we have. But if you step back and look at the broader picture, we have a lot of inputs (food and water) and we spend energy on lots of stuff we don't actually want (like building cattle bones and running cattle brains). Etc. What if there was a way to skip all the unnecessary stuff? What if you could just grow a steak, and one that didn't have whatever bad stuff is in meat and had more of the good stuff that's in meat?

 

[Keyser76]

Soylent Green!

 

[op2]

Soylent Green!

Ironic post since I had some Soylent for lunch.

Notice how the dystopian future postulated in that movie didn't come about. Dystopian movies are sometimes like horror movies, fun to watch but not very connected to reality.

 

[ThatNehlenFeelin]

Only communists could hate a well cooked porterhouse or the all American burger.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

we spend energy on lots of stuff we don't actually want (like building cattle bones and running cattle brains)

I don't know if you meant that to be funny, but it cracked me up for some reason.

 

[op2]

I don't know if you meant that to be funny, but it cracked me up for some reason.

It does sound kinda weird but really, we just want the steak. We take the building cattle bodies and running cattle brains in the process because that's the only way we can get the steak. But if we could avoid those things and go straight to the steak part then we'd avoid a lot of inefficiency. But of course, figuring out how to do that isn't easy.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

It does sound kinda weird but really, we just want the steak. We take the building cattle bodies and running cattle brains in the process because that's the only way we can get the steak. But if we could avoid those things and go straight to the steak part then we'd avoid a lot of inefficiency. But of course, figuring out how to do that isn't easy.

Oh, I totally understand your point, the phrasing just cracked me up.

I don't like the idea of your point, because somebody will come out with some kind of synthetic and say it's safe and offers the same benefits ... but there will be something wrong with it and we won't be able to turn back. In theory, it sounds great. In practice, I don't trust the companies that would do that kind of thing and we have a lot of examples as to why they shouldn't be trusted.

 

[PriddyBoy]

If we run out of food, vegan will be prime choice.

 

[op2]

Oh, I totally understand your point, the phrasing just cracked me up.

I don't like the idea of your point, because somebody will come out with some kind of synthetic and say it's safe and offers the same benefits ... but there will be something wrong with it and we won't be able to turn back. In theory, it sounds great. In practice, I don't trust the companies that would do that kind of thing and we have a lot of examples as to why they shouldn't be trusted.

Things need to be regulated for sure. And even with regulations things won't always go well. Just recently there was some kind of meat recall. A few months ago they have to put 50 million chickens down due to avian flu and now the price of eggs is going way up.

Somebody produces what we eat now, be it us or a farmer or a company (and oftentimes the farmer IS a company).

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Things need to be regulated for sure. And even with regulations things won't always go well. Just recently there was some kind of meat recall. A few months ago they have to put 50 million chickens down due to avian flu and now the price of eggs is going way up.

Somebody produces what we eat now, be it us or a farmer or a company (and oftentimes the farmer IS a company).

As far as beef is concerned, I have family that raises cattle and I get a side from them every year (grain fed, no hormones or steroids). Chicken, pork and everything else I get at the store like everybody else does.

 

[op2]

As far as beef is concerned, I have family that raises cattle and I get a side from them every year (grain fed, no hormones or steroids). Chicken, pork and everything else I get at the store like everybody else does.

Maybe no added hormones, but beef has hormones in it naturally. Cattle aren't food designed to be optimal for humans, they're just animals doing whatever they do. The fact that we can eat them is just a nice convenience.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Maybe no added hormones, but beef has hormones in it naturally. Cattle aren't food designed to be optimal for humans, they're just animals doing whatever they do. The fact that we can eat them is just a nice convenience.

Yes, I understand that. I meant no added hormones, i.e. anything unnatural. Basically I get it just as an animal doing whatever they do. However, the larger ranches/operations, do manipulate things a bit to make them a little bit more like a food designed to be optimal for humans. Or more specifically, add things to make them grow bigger, faster, so they can get more yield more quickly.

 

[bornaneer]

deer are like rabbits here in the eastern panhandle.

And you wonder why I call you names.

 

[bornaneer]

I like eating a steak too but cutting them up is a pain and then you get a piece in your mouth that's mostly fat and you chew and chew and then you have to put your fingers in your mouth and pull it out.

I really feel bad for you. May I suggest a nice Ribeye? Also no parts of the animal is wasted. Once on a visit to a meat plant, I saw cases and cases of tendons, and no, don't confuse them with tenderloins. The plant manager explained that they were all going to Asia and at a premium price.

 

[bornaneer]

I grew up with cattle. I have a deep seeded hatred for those damn things..

I knew there was something weird about you.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I knew there was something weird about you.

What are you talking about. I take great pleasure eating a steak because I know it's one less of those friggin things on the planet.

And to the point already raised, there is zero waste on a cow from a packing plant. Everything is used for something.

 

[op2]

What are you talking about. I take great pleasure eating a steak because I know it's one less of those friggin things on the planet.

And to the point already raised, there is zero waste on a cow from a packing plant. Everything is used for something.

I don't know how a packing plant works but I don't know what use cow brains or innards or bones could be put to. But that aside, there is a lot of energy going into things before it ever gets to a packing plant or slaughterhouse or whatever. The cows body has to be kept running 24 hours a day. It has to be fed and watered. It's poop has to be dealt with. Etc.

For a long time there has been no option but to deal with all that but if modern biotech can find a better way I'm all for it. I like eating steak and hamburger but whether it comes a cow or not is beside the point to me.

 

[bornaneer]

I don't know how a packing plant works but I don't know what use cow brains or innards or bones could be put to. .

Its all very simple. They march the cattle in and boxed meat products come out the other end. At one plant that was to the tune of 5,600 a day. And yes, EVERYTHING is used, innards,blood,brains,and everything else.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I don't know how a packing plant works but I don't know what use cow brains or innards or bones could be put to. But that aside, there is a lot of energy going into things before it ever gets to a packing plant or slaughterhouse or whatever. The cows body has to be kept running 24 hours a day. It has to be fed and watered. It's poop has to be dealt with. Etc.

For a long time there has been no option but to deal with all that but if modern biotech can find a better way I'm all for it. I like eating steak and hamburger but whether it comes a cow or not is beside the point to me.

Some of it goes to chicken feed, some just goes in hotdogs.

 

[Keyser76]

And you wonder why I call you names.

Because I hunt and eat Deer?

 

[PriddyBoy]

Some of it goes to chicken feed, some just goes in hotdogs.

And the rest is formed into McRibs. Not sure what binds these remaining bits together, but many think it has something to do with hooves.[sick]

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

And the rest is formed into McRibs. Not sure what binds these remaining bits together, but many think it has something to do with hooves.[sick]

I love a good McRib. Happens every year right after the Monopoly game. I get them 2 at a time and then just be fat on the couch!!!

 

[bornaneer]

Because I hunt and eat Deer?

No, its because you said deer are like rabbits in the EP. Are they some sort of mutations? I have ZERO problems with people who hunt for food. I have a BIG problem with those who do it for sport only.

 

[WESTBGVA]

I grew up with cattle. I have a deep seeded hatred for those damn things. I take pleasure eating a steak.

I like steak too..Muslims eat turkey bacon..that just has to suck..

 

[WarezEER]

Do your research. Animal bones are a real commodity on the world market and are in high demand. Animal bones go into many consumable products that we use every day. They also are used in fertilizer, etc. People fight over dem bones!