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This message is specifically for those who, like me, still aren’t ready to fire Pope. This message is not directed to the majority view, because your voice has already been heard.

I think those of us who still hold out some kind of hope may be best in abandoning that hope if we lose to Indiana. Yes, I am aware it is unfair —- Pope exceeded expectations in year one and shouldn’t be fired this soon in a perfect world. However, no matter how much we love the idea of what Pope *can* mean to this program at his best, the fan support will not be recoverable if we lose this game. Not only is this the fifth of five games against decent competition, it also is a rival and a rival that has been beyond awful for decades ——- also, this game is at home. I don’t know if we have thought about this yet —- but those loud boos we heard in Nashville are going to travel. The boos are coming home with us if we lose this game. The loss would be the fifth loss and create an almost untenable situation entirely where we would have to go on a tear in SEC play to even make the tournament. Truthfully, firing Pope is something I find disagreeable, perhaps even unforgivable this early in a vaccum. But we can’t give up the all-time wins lead —- even worse, we have to be mindful about these players being mentally checked out for good, no portal players will want to be here for anything but money which can create even more chaos next season. We can’t ignore the growing anger of the fanbase around us. If we lose to Indiana —- buyout Pope now. Don’t wait. Do it now, so that we can be first to market with all these coaches. We will have time to prepare the money, time to survey the portal, time to review the resumes. I say it with pain, but it’s honest. We may not survive another haymaker.
 
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I don’t think we should fire Pope. Nor do I believe he will be.

Barring some kind of behind the scenes crap BCG style.

But I do hope Pope resigns.
Listen, man. I love Pope, and I agree that it would be best in a perfect world to let it play out. This world isn’t perfect and these fans are never coming back. If we lose to IU, he needs to be fired to salvage what’s left of the fanbase. We have to be able to read the room and know that the “patient” fans are becoming more and more the minority. I can give you a hundred reasons right now why I think it’s a bad idea to fire Pope this early, but if fans and recruits no longer believe in this man —- zero of those mean anything. Time to go. You have no idea how upset I am to say it but it’s just how it is.
 

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Listen, man. I love Pope, and I agree that it would be best in a perfect world to let it play out. This world isn’t perfect and these fans are never coming back. If we lose to IU, he needs to be fired to salvage what’s left of the fanbase. We have to be able to read the room and know that the “patient” fans are becoming more and more the minority. I can give you a hundred reasons right now why I think it’s a bad idea to fire Pope this early, but if fans and recruits no longer believe in this man —- zero of those mean anything. Time to go. You have no idea how upset I am to say it but it’s just how it is.
I’m not disagreeing with you.

I want Pope to succeed more than I think he will.

I just don’t believe Barney would fire him.
 
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I’m not disagreeing with you.

I want Pope to succeed more than I think he will.

I just don’t believe Barney would fire him.
I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about this. Honestly, I think even Mitch maybe would. There are some concerns that would drive Mitch mad. Mitch is a program control guy and a loss to IU might send him over the edge. The on court antics of players, clear lack of effort, Pope showing no confidence with media. I think he will get fired if we lose to Indiana and I could understand it.
 

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Listen, man. I love Pope, and I agree that it would be best in a perfect world to let it play out. This world isn’t perfect and these fans are never coming back. If we lose to IU, he needs to be fired to salvage what’s left of the fanbase. We have to be able to read the room and know that the “patient” fans are becoming more and more the minority. I can give you a hundred reasons right now why I think it’s a bad idea to fire Pope this early, but if fans and recruits no longer believe in this man —- zero of those mean anything. Time to go. You have no idea how upset I am to say it but it’s just how it is.
Let those fans go. Our fanbase could use a reset.
 

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I don’t think we should fire Pope. Nor do I believe he will be.

Barring some kind of behind the scenes crap BCG style.

But I do hope Pope resigns.
I’m ok (like it makes a difference lol) with giving him next year with the caveat he brings in some talent and that train is rolling out of the station so he better get on board asap.
 

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I have this feeling we are going to play really well and win vs IU. I'm not sure it will turn the season around, though.
 
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I have this feeling we are going to play really well and win vs IU. I'm not sure it will turn the season around, though.


We just need to start with IU, and turn it around one game at a time, I sure hope JQ is back soon.
 
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Basically I agree and I certainly can't fault you for anything.

I really love Pope the man, win or lose, the same way that over his final few years I just didn't like Calipari, the man, win or lose.

FWIW, I do see a few possibilities for mitigation, though none of them seem to be sure bets or super likely:

1—Lose to IU and later on go on a minor SEC tear.

No one will believe it now but if we go on a crazy tear and sweep the whole SEC none of this December stuff will matter at all to any of us looking back. It's a very long season. Realistically, that's not going to happen. What could happen though, is we lose to IU and St. John's and if those then almost certainly Alabama, but later on this team starts to come together. Sweeps UT. Steals a game from Florida. Puts together a couple of strings of three or four wins or one longer against mid-tier SEC teams both home and away. If we do that, the hot seat will cool down somewhat.

Not enough get everybody behind Pope, but enough to bring enough people down off the "he must go yesterday!" ledge that a "third time is the charm" year will start to look feasible to both the school and to a large percentage of casual fans. I know it doesn't seem that way now. But it is a long season, always longer than it feels at the time. John Calipari survived to fight another day here after "last straw" moments in at least two seasons prior to the one that ended him, and in each case enough (though certainly not all) got back behind him, after a little coaxing, enough to give him one more at-bat.

People will say "but the championship and the four Final Fours." That is valid. But to say that is to overlook the complimentary case: "but the 96 champoinship as team captain and playing for Larry Bird and tying the all-time div 1 top-15 wins record." The second case doesn't look persuasive enough to many people now. But the first case didn't look persuasive enough to increasingly more and more people and we still got five years of John Calipari after the last time he did anything meaningful here. Right now practically everyone believes they hate his coaching and him staying here can only hurt our brand, our recruiting options, and our bottom line. But it's a long season and if, three months from now, we are sitting on the other side of some very unexpected big victories and a very respectable streak or two, the same people will see it differently. Enough of them. That's just human nature. Pope has already proven he can do unexpected things. All the same, I'm not holding my breath.

2—Some radical changes in recruiting and some serious explanations, if not to us then at least to recruits.

There's just not a living room in America Pope can walk into and say, "play for me: it didn't work last year but it will work this year." Definition of insanity and all.

But if Pope can say something like: "last year the boosters wouldn't pay up front but now they will—here's your money and it's buying A-list names to play alongside you too,' then someone will listen. Not all of our first-choice targets, but not none of them anymore. Same thing if Pope can say, "I used to make kids sign before I would guarantee them money. I thought I needed that kind of trust to build a winning team. But since then I've realized trust has to work both ways in a championship-caliber team. Here's your money and it's buying A-list names to play alongside you too," then someone will listen.

Neither of those things seem super likely. And I don't think there's any legitimate way forward for Mark Pope here without them both happening.

But I still like him and I still believe he has the right kind of potential for this program as long as he can and will use it. So I hope they both happen.
 

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I’m ok (like it makes a difference lol) with giving him next year with the caveat he brings in some talent and that train is rolling out of the station so he better get on board asap.
That’s the problem: Pope is having a lot of difficulty getting talent to come here, even with $20+ million to work with. How is he supposed to bring in talent if even a ton of money can’t convince him.

Don’t get me wrong, if Pope convinces Stokes to come, I think he gets another year, but if we end the season with no recruits, what exactly are we hoping another year will change? He’d have nothing but whatever of this turmoil of a team decides to return and I’m not sure if I’d want anyone to return. That means that Pope will have to start over, again if he can’t convince everyone to return. And why deal with that? What’s the point?

I’m not disagreeing with you.

I want Pope to succeed more than I think he will.

I just don’t believe Barney would fire him.
It won’t be Mitch making the choice. Boosters have so much money tied up in this team. More than most football programs, even. If Pope ends up with an NIT or even worse, a losing season, how do you convince the guys funding the team to give him NIL money for another year after a disaster in this scale?

The AD is only a small part of the puzzle now. I think if Pope fails to turn things around this season, which becomes less likely with every loss, he’ll be heavily encouraged to step down to save face both for himself and the program. I’d be shocked if it ends up like the Stoops situation.
 
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Basically I agree and I certainly can't fault you for anything.

I really love Pope the man, win or lose, the same way that over his final few years I just didn't like Calipari, the man, win or lose.

FWIW, I do see a few possibilities for mitigation, though none of them seem to be sure bets or super likely:

1—Lose to IU and later on go on a minor SEC tear.

No one will believe it now but if we go on a crazy tear and sweep the whole SEC none of this December stuff will matter at all to any of us looking back. It's a very long season. Realistically, that's not going to happen. What could happen though, is we lose to IU and St. John's and if those then almost certainly Alabama, but later on this team starts to come together. Sweeps UT. Steals a game from Florida. Puts together a couple of strings of three or four wins or one longer against mid-tier SEC teams both home and away. If we do that, the hot seat will cool down somewhat.

Not enough get everybody behind Pope, but enough to bring enough people down off the "he must go yesterday!" ledge that a "third time is the charm" year will start to look feasible to both the school and to a large percentage of casual fans. I know it doesn't seem that way now. But it is a long season, always longer than it feels at the time. John Calipari survived to fight another day here after "last straw" moments in at least two seasons prior to the one that ended him, and in each case enough (though certainly not all) got back behind him, after a little coaxing, enough to give him one more at-bat.

People will say "but the championship and the four Final Fours." That is valid. But to say that is to overlook the complimentary case: "but the 96 champoinship as team captain and playing for Larry Bird and tying the all-time div 1 top-15 wins record." The second case doesn't look persuasive enough to many people now. But the first case didn't look persuasive enough to increasingly more and more people and we still got five years of John Calipari after the last time he did anything meaningful here. Right now practically everyone believes they hate his coaching and him staying here can only hurt our brand, our recruiting options, and our bottom line. But it's a long season and if, three months from now, we are sitting on the other side of some very unexpected big victories and a very respectable streak or two, the same people will see it differently. Enough of them. That's just human nature. Pope has already proven he can do unexpected things. All the same, I'm not holding my breath.

2—Some radical changes in recruiting and some serious explanations, if not to us then at least to recruits.

There's just not a living room in America Pope can walk into and say, "play for me: it didn't work last year but it will work this year." Definition of insanity and all.

But if Pope can say something like: "last year the boosters wouldn't pay up front but now they will—here's your money and it's buying A-list names to play alongside you too,' then someone will listen. Not all of our first-choice targets, but not none of them anymore. Same thing if Pope can say, "I used to make kids sign before I would guarantee them money. I thought I needed that kind of trust to build a winning team. But since then I've realized trust has to work both ways in a championship-caliber team. Here's your money and it's buying A-list names to play alongside you too," then someone will listen.

Neither of those things seem super likely. And I don't think there's any legitimate way forward for Mark Pope here without them both happening.

But I still like him and I still believe he has the right kind of potential for this program as long as he can and will use it. So I hope they both happen.
Brother, I agree with everything you said. The only problem is it was rationally constructed. If we lose to IU, I think the fanbase is done —- and I’ll be honest the anger is 100% justified. I’m like you and still see the vision and I love the vision. I can see this year just didn’t work out as expected. The way I see it is if we went on a 2008-style mini tear through the SEC, it won’t matter. Enough fans will have already made up their mind that the vision is wrecked already —- when the environment gets this toxic players won’t progress the same and the boosters won’t back the same. We’d be more the less prolonging the inevitable. Think of it like a professional basketball organization firing a coach mid-year due to fan response. Sure, there is a theoretical way to turn the season around but the more toxic it gets, that becomes nigh impossible. Plus, I’m giddy about the idea of hiring Pearl out of retirement. I love me some Pearl and I bet he would want it when we inevitably get brutally turned down by Oats again.
 

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Brother, I agree with everything you said. The only problem is it was rationally constructed. If we lose to IU, I think the fanbase is done —- and I’ll be honest the anger is 100% justified. I’m like you and still see the vision and I love the vision. I can see this year just didn’t work out as expected. The way I see it is if we went on a 2008-style mini tear through the SEC, it won’t matter. Enough fans will have already made up their mind that the vision is wrecked already —- when the environment gets this toxic players won’t progress the same and the boosters won’t back the same. We’d be more the less prolonging the inevitable. Think of it like a professional basketball organization firing a coach mid-year due to fan response. Sure, there is a theoretical way to turn the season around but the more toxic it gets, that becomes nigh impossible. Plus, I’m giddy about the idea of hiring Pearl out of retirement. I love me some Pearl and I bet he would want it when we inevitably get brutally turned down by Oats again.
I’m not convinced that we’ll lose to IU… yet. No matter how bad we’ve been, they did just lost to a 5-4 Minnesota by 9 points. Guess we’ll see.
 

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Brother, I agree with everything you said. The only problem is it was rationally constructed. If we lose to IU, I think the fanbase is done —- and I’ll be honest the anger is 100% justified. I’m like you and still see the vision and I love the vision. I can see this year just didn’t work out as expected. The way I see it is if we went on a 2008-style mini tear through the SEC, it won’t matter. Enough fans will have already made up their mind that the vision is wrecked already —- when the environment gets this toxic players won’t progress the same and the boosters won’t back the same. We’d be more the less prolonging the inevitable. Think of it like a professional basketball organization firing a coach mid-year due to fan response. Sure, there is a theoretical way to turn the season around but the more toxic it gets, that becomes nigh impossible. Plus, I’m giddy about the idea of hiring Pearl out of retirement. I love me some Pearl and I bet he would want it when we inevitably get brutally turned down by Oats again.
I love Pearl too and would also love to see him here if it comes to that. Imo the version of Pearl that coaches here would take the version of Oats that coaches here over his knee. Oats strikes me as more of a prima donna who will shred you as long as the circumstances are right. Pearl strikes me as more of a street fighter who is actively thinking about how he can use every chunk of glass or gravel in this alley to kill you.
 
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I love Pearl too and would also love to see him here if it comes to that. Imo the version of Pearl that coaches here would take the version of Oats that coaches here over his knee. Oats strikes me as more of a prima donna who will shred you as long as the circumstances are right. Pearl strikes me as more of a street fighter who is actively thinking about how he can use every chunk of glass or gravel in this alley to kill you.
Completely agree. Im an analytics guys so some would maybe assume Oats over Pearl, but Pearl would eat, sleep and breathe this job and to do what he’s done at Tennessee and Auburn —- two awful jobs, he would blow it out the water here. He’s a foxhole fiery fighter but also has the coaching acumen. He builds exactly the kind of rosters that could have you sustain success every year. He would be a home run hire.

I also want to see the KSR crew have to pretend to like him as well. I’d be giddy as could be lol
 
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I’m not sure it matters who we hire. We’re with JMI, not Learfield or playfly. We got Mitched in another great contract running through 2040. He’ll let Stoops be the basketball coach, it’ll all be the same result.
 

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Then we might as well keep Pope. If we are screwed either way, might as well keep the nice guy 😜
I mean man, pretty much. I see no way JMI is going to be able to compete with Learfield or even Playfly. It’s too small and it’s too far behind. There’s no way to make up for it. Barnhart should have advocated out of it in 2024, and went with the big boys. Instead he chose to keep JMI and throw our basketball and football programs away for a little more cash for the landlords at UK. We’re finished for 15 years.

Poeple have tried to tell UK for years to get Mitch Barnhart and this president out of here or it’ll get drastic. Here we are, they’ve destroyed UK athletics. But they just built a new Drama theatre, don’t forget to come check that out.
 
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I mean man, pretty much. I see no way JMI is going to be able to compete with Learfield or even Playfly. It’s too small and it’s too far behind. There’s no way to make up for it. Barnhart should have advocated out of it in 2024, and went with the big boys. Instead he chose to keep JMI and throw our basketball and football programs away for a little more cash for the landlords at UK. We’re finished for 15 years.
If you hold the view that NIL is going to be the number one determining factor, it would be very bleak for sure. Particularly if the assumption is that deal is certainly bad. I’m not sure either way —- honestly no one is. Including Matt or anyone else. Best we can do is support the program the best we can.
 

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If you hold the view that NIL is going to be the number one determining factor, it would be very bleak for sure. Particularly if the assumption is that deal is certainly bad. I’m not sure either way —- honestly no one is. Including Matt or anyone else. Best we can do is support the program the best we can.

I think it’s going to be the only factor. These players don’t even have much to do with their recruitments anymore, their agents do. And these agents aren’t lining up to sign on with JMI.

Mitch Barnhart has destroyed Kentucky sports. After that, he decided to give more money than anyone to women’s chess. The guy is a walking disaster. Then he has the nerve to act like UK fans want to cheat and he’s just above that. This guy destroyed what men built over 100 years. He thinks it’s the university of Mitch Barnhart. I still do not understand why he still has a job. He should be fired immediately and told to clear out his office by lunch.

Don’t forget his words during that press conference. We built a new Drama Center!! That’s all they care about, landholding. It’s over man.i know several men who flat told me years ago Barnhart will destroy the sports at Kentucky and he’s doing it.
 
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I think it’s going to be the only factor. These players don’t even have much to do with their recruitments anymore, their agents do. And these agents aren’t lining up to sign on with JMI.

Mitch Barnhart has destroyed Kentucky sports. After that, he decided to give more money than anyone to women’s chess. The guy is a walking disaster. Then he has the nerve to act like UK fans want to cheat and he’s just above that. This guy destroyed what men built over 100 years. He thinks it’s the university of Mitch Barnhart. I still do not understand why he still has a job. He should be fired immediately and told to clear out his office by lunch.

Don’t forget his words during that press conference. We built a new Drama Center!! That’s all they care about, landholding. It’s over man.i know several men who flat told me years ago Barnhart will destroy the sports at Kentucky and he’s doing it.
I feel where you’re coming from, man. I’m aware that Mitch’s name being associated with any contract like that is going to terrify most fans. I’d just hope it works out. A contract that significant is not unilaterally determined by one man.
 
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This message is specifically for those who, like me, still aren’t ready to fire Pope. This message is not directed to the majority view, because your voice has already been heard.

I think those of us who still hold out some kind of hope may be best in abandoning that hope if we lose to Indiana. Yes, I am aware it is unfair —- Pope exceeded expectations in year one and shouldn’t be fired this soon in a perfect world. However, no matter how much we love the idea of what Pope *can* mean to this program at his best, the fan support will not be recoverable if we lose this game. Not only is this the fifth of five games against decent competition, it also is a rival and a rival that has been beyond awful for decades ——- also, this game is at home. I don’t know if we have thought about this yet —- but those loud boos we heard in Nashville are going to travel. The boos are coming home with us if we lose this game. The loss would be the fifth loss and create an almost untenable situation entirely where we would have to go on a tear in SEC play to even make the tournament. Truthfully, firing Pope is something I find disagreeable, perhaps even unforgivable this early in a vaccum. But we can’t give up the all-time wins lead —- even worse, we have to be mindful about these players being mentally checked out for good, no portal players will want to be here for anything but money which can create even more chaos next season. We can’t ignore the growing anger of the fanbase around us. If we lose to Indiana —- buyout Pope now. Don’t wait. Do it now, so that we can be first to market with all these coaches. We will have time to prepare the money, time to survey the portal, time to review the resumes. I say it with pain, but it’s honest. We may not survive another haymaker.
This is solely on Coach Pope. He over promised and overspend this spring/ summer.

when Mitch hired him , we all knew he is going to be a “learn on the job “ type of hire. Hopefully, Coach Pope learning curve is going to accelerate before he will manage to collect a loss in front of all our rivals in one season.

I always said he will need at least 3 years before we can judge him. apparently the hate for Coach Calipari is quickly replaced by the boos for this team and Coach Pope, as BBN patience is gone.we live in era of : Instant gratification baby !
 
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Listen, man. I love Pope, and I agree that it would be best in a perfect world to let it play out. This world isn’t perfect and these fans are never coming back. If we lose to IU, he needs to be fired to salvage what’s left of the fanbase. We have to be able to read the room and know that the “patient” fans are becoming more and more the minority. I can give you a hundred reasons right now why I think it’s a bad idea to fire Pope this early, but if fans and recruits no longer believe in this man —- zero of those mean anything. Time to go. You have no idea how upset I am to say it but it’s just how it is.
Exactly where does UK get another 20 million to buy this coach out? 60 million in 6 months for buyouts? Is that even a possibility???
 

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Exactly where does UK get another 20 million to buy this coach out? 60 million in 6 months for buyouts? Is that even a possibility???
I don’t know, but I can tell you this.

Mitch Barnhart would survive it. He’s the only guy I know of that can survive one disaster after another. It just shows winning big has nothing to do with his job description.

I think he’s a nice guy I just don’t believe he’s cut out for professional sports and that’s what this is. Your job is not to go strictly by some imaginary rule book it’s to take what you’re given and bend it to give your major teams the absolute best shot at championships. I just don’t understand how he’s surviving SEC sports. I really don’t. He’s clearly in over his head and cut out for lower ranks. He’s make a great community college or small Christian league administrator. Not SEC.
 
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I don't know I just don't see the same team that has lost to Georgetown, Louisville, Michigan State , North Carolina and Gonzaga coming out ready to play IU. 2 of those games we have already lost at home 1 was a blow out grant it that it doesn't count it was exhibition but still a blowout never the less. I just don't see this team all of a sudden getting up to play IU. This team is so badly constructed and if we do lose to IU like I think is going to happen. Then Pope honestly needs to resign if he loves the University like he says he does because at that point we will be 6-5 ( we tend to beat the **** out of the teams without a pulse) with a non conference ST Johns coming up and then conference games starting soon @ Alabama around the corner and we won't be making the tournament this year is my projection.
 
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I don’t know, but I can tell you this.

Mitch Barnhart would survive it. He’s the only guy I know of that can survive one disaster after another. It just shows winning big has nothing to do with his job description.

I think he’s a nice guy I just don’t believe he’s cut out for professional sports and that’s what this is. Your job is not to go strictly by some imaginary rule book it’s to take what you’re given and bend it to give your major teams the absolute best shot at championships. I just don’t understand how he’s surviving SEC sports. I really don’t. He’s clearly in over his head and cut out for lower ranks. He’s make a great community college or small Christian league administrator. Not SEC.
He is best friends with Eli because Eli doesn't give a **** about the sports aspect. What we need is a governor like the Louisiana when he stuck his nose in the LSU Brian Kelly **** 2 days later that LSU Athletic Director resigned.

What about the whole swimming team issue why don't this get Mitch fired? Mitch supposedly knew about this but it's like it was swept under the rug.

 
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