Disagree. Plenty of 2 & 3s that prefer to spot up shoot. Missing slashers. Ball handlers. And for those shooters to actually make the baskets.
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Disagree. Plenty of 2 & 3s that prefer to spot up shoot. Missing slashers. Ball handlers. And for those shooters to actually make the baskets.
NU has offered two '19 pgs
Blough is the most recent and he's getting a ton on interest.
I do think NU offers pgs something no other team does. All they have to do is watch part of a game.
I really like your optimism about the recruits, but it sounds a lot like what we expected from Kopp and Nance (combined 8.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.1 apg on 39% shooting in 30 mpg) 12 months ago. Stepping in as a freshman is *hard*.
Also, based on your description that you ran into your acquaintance at your home while working out, I have surmised that your home is a gym. I hope you offered him something from the juice bar.
Don't know why people think it was so easy to recruit a PG that would have gotten splinters in the bench waiting behind BMac for his turn. Kids who are good want to actually play..
As for Lathon, it should not not be rocket science to figure out what he did. And the fact that he only received ONE offer to play with his resume-- from an abolutely desperate dumpster fire of a UTEP team-- should also let you know all that you need to about the seriousness of what he did...
As for Lathon, it should not not be rocket science to figure out what he did. And the fact that he only received ONE offer to play with his resume-- from an abolutely desperate dumpster fire of a UTEP team-- should also let you know all that you need to about the seriousness of what he did...
And we still will, until the long-term stats prove us wrong, like for the foorball team this year when they only won 4 games... oh wait. So far CC has done what no other basketball coach has done here far earlier that I expected him to, so so far, so good.
The real season has barely begun, so I am not willing to write it off just yet. And you shouldn't either, given the lesson you should have learned from football...
Uhhh guys this was only our 2nd game where we looked over matched. I swear reading this thread makes it look like we need to totally revamp the program.
Collins better stick with man 2 man. That's the best defense there is. We have the athletes to play it.
Freshman will be freshman unless we get a 1 and done. Kopp has looked extremely promising. We knew (at least should have... Some people had inflated expectations) Nance would need some polishing and was a high potential developmental prospect. I still believe he is. Greer actually has come out more solid than I expected for moving up a class he's played really well. We have also have 3 pretty good recruits waiting.
Just compare this loss to Oklahoma last year. Great team and future nba player who has a super hot game. Pardon played some perfect D and (a couple times by Benson) and he just hit the shot. Pardon did the same thing a few times. Good offense just beats good defense on a play to play basis.
Our transfers are getting a lot of crap but Turner played well yesterday and I don't get all the hate towards him. He distributes decently. Unless we had a really good PG I don't see all the yelling about need a PG he's distributes fine. If he didn't we would be seeing Greer pressed into action a lot more. Taylor I more so understand the frustration because he hasn't beem hitting shots as much as expected, but he is our third leading scorer behind law and pardon. My problem with Taylor his he fades a little and doesn't square up enough and step into catch and shoot opportunities. When he squares up and steps into confidentiality I haven't seen one miss.
We all know how good Pardon and Law are so I won't rehash that. Ash is obviously injured which sucks for a guy who's best pro was how athletic he was. That really helped him as a defender. Gaines I think has of late got the love he deserves on offense with high assist output. (The man can slash pretty well too. Just that's all you have to defend since he won't shoot the 3.) Benson as of late is showing flashes of where I see his potential and others where I pray he works super hard this off-season. The man needs to get stronger in the post and learn to keep his arms straight up. Ik I'm missing others out this post is long enough.
Just want to say one of my needs for improvement for last season not repeating this season was pardon learning to pass out the post and since double teams. He's so good at that now it's one of strengths, never would have guessed that watching junior year tape.
Edit to say hitting a PG in previous class would have helped a lot with that depth so if that's the argument I get it. Also we still really need to hit on one or two guards capable of distributing in this class.
Collins better stick with man 2 man. That's the best defense there is. We have the athletes to play it.
Freshman will be freshman unless we get a 1 and done. Kopp has looked extremely promising. We knew (at least should have... Some people had inflated expectations) Nance would need some polishing and was a high potential developmental prospect. I still believe he is. Greer actually has come out more solid than I expected for moving up a class he's played really well. We have also have 3 pretty good recruits waiting.
Just compare this loss to Oklahoma last year. Great team and future nba player who has a super hot game. Pardon played some perfect D and (a couple times by Benson) and he just hit the shot. Pardon did the same thing a few times. Good offense just beats good defense on a play to play basis.
Our transfers are getting a lot of crap but Turner played well yesterday and I don't get all the hate towards him. He distributes decently. Unless we had a really good PG I don't see all the yelling about need a PG he's distributes fine. If he didn't we would be seeing Greer pressed into action a lot more. Taylor I more so understand the frustration because he hasn't beem hitting shots as much as expected, but he is our third leading scorer behind law and pardon. My problem with Taylor his he fades a little and doesn't square up enough and step into catch and shoot opportunities. When he squares up and steps into confidentiality I haven't seen one miss.
We all know how good Pardon and Law are so I won't rehash that. Ash is obviously injured which sucks for a guy who's best pro was how athletic he was. That really helped him as a defender. Gaines I think has of late got the love he deserves on offense with high assist output. (The man can slash pretty well too. Just that's all you have to defend since he won't shoot the 3.) Benson as of late is showing flashes of where I see his potential and others where I pray he works super hard this off-season. The man needs to get stronger in the post and learn to keep his arms straight up. Ik I'm missing others out this post is long enough.
Just want to say one of my needs for improvement for last season not repeating this season was pardon learning to pass out the post and since double teams. He's so good at that now it's one of strengths, never would have guessed that watching junior year tape.
Edit to say hitting a PG in previous class would have helped a lot with that depth so if that's the argument I get it. Also we still really need to hit on one or two guards capable of distributing in this class.
Obviously it's on him but was just stating that a decision couldn't have come at a worse time.
I'd rather CC NOT solve a roster problem by bringing on guys who physically and skill-wise cannot compete night in and night out in the Big Ten.
NU's margin of error is thin, thin, thin. 11th hour upset on Jordan Goodwin, Isiah Brown turns out to not be a good fit for Collins, Lathon's on boarding gets reversed and we are where we are. Which, I'd argue, is better than filling the bench with a guy or two who is outclassed against the majority of the Big Ten.
NU has a lot to sell a point guard....the most attractive selling point is that you come in and get major minutes right away.
The pg thing is not a disaster this year. The team is competitive and could surprise if it gels.
I am just not on board with sentiments such as Collins screwed up the guard recruiting....Collins needs to prove this year he can recruit with a huge class.....or, NU recruits poorly and can't develop players (Rap, Vassar, Brown).
The bald fact remains that we've not had talent come in as consistently at this high a level.
The other thing missing from this discussion is that recruiting is very different today than five years ago in terms of the mix of transfers with regular recruits. Collins has gotten better with transfers which is why this is not a hugely down year. Sans Taylor and Turner, this team is sub .500.
I agree about the freshmen coming in but these recruits are a step ahead of what we have seen in the Carmody era. Our problems in the recently recruiting years has been injuries and personalities, although in the case of the personalities I think those involved think they are a lot better than they are and the staff made a mistake recruiting them in the first place.
I’m sorry for the confusion on the other part. I have lived in Northbrook 40 plus years, been a NU season ticket holder for 30+ years and now live in Florida in the winter. The workout was at the Park Center in Glenview. My son played the 30 years ago version of AAU basketball in the group two years behind Chris Collins, so we all know each other from those games of long ago.
I’m looking forward to the Illinois game and I really think when the smoke has cleared from this season we’ll have about 17 or 18 regular season wins and then hope for some more in the conference tournament. Another guard in next years class will be helpful too.
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Well stated. We've been boatraced the same number of times as well, Iowa, who nearly lost to one OK f the worst teams int the country (Bryant). Doubt anyone at Iowa is pressing the panic button (they'ye been in and out of the top-25), and neither should we.Let's see how the real season plays out...
Well, I'm a Polymer Scientist and I can't figure out what he did. Can you enlighten me?
I don't have direct knowledge of course, but when you read all the reports on the issue, they are strangely silent as to details. And others have already stated it was not academics or a criminal matter such as drug possession. So what is the one remaining issue that could get a kid kicked out of school and blacklist a kid from most other schools about which one people be vary careful to leak details about to protect the privacy of certain individuals? Fairly obvious to me...
That would fall under academics, and it was previously stated by someone with knowledge of the situation that it was not that. I think if you go back and read those posts (though some of them are on the Rock) it is fairly obvious what the man did, or was at least accused of doing....
Well, it isn't obvious to at least two of us! Can you give me a hint? What is the first letter of the alleged offense?
it isnt fair to him for you to be suggesting he did something really bad. He didnt. In fact it wasnt even a crime. It wasnt some Ray Rice thing. It was all about being politically correct. As it turned out, it was nothing.
Had nothing to do with academics, dont let MW trash this kid now that the boy isnt at NU.
Kopp already looks very good.
Im not too worried about recruiting a top point guard next year and pushing him to start immediately. We have done it before, with no problem, having B Mac and Dave Sobs
He did slmething bad enough that no other school but UTEP would offer a guy who previously was in demand by most everyine It's not trashing the kid, it is stating a fact.
Wickerdude is right. I guess nobody can stop you from trashing a guy. No. It wasn't so bad. As it turned out, it wasn't even a crime. UTEP got a goodie and , as it turned out risked NOTHING. Good for them.
Not saying NU did wrong, I think NU did right. But unlike you, NU doesn't go public and trash a player.
Let me recommend that you do this on the Rock page, which isn't public.
I don't think rhe term "trashing" means what you think it means. A highly rated recruit eho had many offers gets kicked out of our school. If he did nothing wrong, other schools would be absolutely salivating over him. Imstead, only UTEP, an absolite dumpster fire of a program, was the only one to offer him. Do you think the reaskn is because he got a parking ticket? But hey don't let facts get in the way of your accusung me of teashing a player, though.
A. No one said easy. But folks have said CCC is a great recruiter so...
2. How many schools in the B1G alone have a starting LG and a competent backup seeing decent minutes?
As for the answer to #2, I actually can't think of one team off the top of my head. Can you?
I’m on record of my concern for next year. That said there is hope. Assuming all stay healthy NU and at (committed to) NU - in two years Collins will have 3 top 100 bigs and one former top 100 after injury big in two years. Plus a very athletic 5th big (wearing a boot today). There will be two point guards and a veteran shooting guard.
The team for two years from now needs shooting guards and small forwards.
One more observation - until a few months ago - Like Carmody, O’Neill, Foster, Byrdsong and Falk before him, Collins has had to deal with the worst facilities in the conference and certainly bottom 20% in power five. Starting with the 2019 class that changes. For the first time any NU coach will have top hoops facilities. Let’s see what Collins can do with the same tools as his peers before we give up.
Collins and NU did nothing wrong in this situation. They learned a recruit had acted improperly and acted in a timely manner. Kids, lets all move on. Greer had a solid game yesterday and looks like he can contribute for four years.
Sheesh! Can't even keep the red shirts healthy! NU hoops (men AND women) is cursed!