Dudes . . .

[BobVH5150]

A reason why the nitpicking happens with position groups and coaching is rooted in the hope that our average players can pull off a victory "if these plays are called," or "this scheme is used."

Superior athletes can make plays in spite of unit deficiencies, poor play calling, or bad scheme. Fact is, we need more dudes. And in the NIL era as a casual fan, I'm not donating to get the dudes.

When was the last time we had a large group of dudes? I would say Pelini era. Those coaches, schemes or full units (aside from the 2009 Defense) weren't world beaters, but they had dudes. Sh## pass play? No problem. TMart turns it into a 48 yard scramble. Defense out of position? Doesn't matter. Suh blew up two OL's and everybody else is in the backfield.

After we ran out of dudes, we started to get "creased" in the run game, and coverage busts were obvious because we used to get home before they mattered.

Anyhow, we need dudes. We've really maybe got two each on offense and defense. I would argue that to get over the hump, we've got to have 60% of the guys out there on each unit be star or elite caliber to be a 9+ win team in this league. Recruited dudes, bought dudes, whatever. And most of us would like to see that for nothing more than the face value of a ticket.

 

[K Rod]

Honestly, do you think this staff has the ability to identify "dudes" ? Do you think they scout much, or just rely on some newsletter from a recruiting service that 129 other schools subscribe to? Given the lack of detail for the on field product, the poor game prep, do you think there is anybody currently on the staff that can identify real talent? Game breaker level talent? And more importantly can they identify top level talent that will fit into what they want to do. We thought we had that with Betts and Coleman ( I realize this staff did not recruit them ). Locked them up. Forgot about other top WR talent thinking that base was covered. Only to see both flame out totally.

 

[BobVH5150]

Honestly, do you think this staff has the ability to identify "dudes" ? Do you think they scout much, or just rely on some newsletter from a recruiting service that 129 other schools subscribe to? Given the lack of detail for the on field product, the poor game prep, do you think there is anybody currently on the staff that can identify real talent? Game breaker level talent? And more importantly can they identify top level talent that will fit into what they want to do. We thought we had that with Betts and Coleman ( I realize this staff did not recruit them ). Locked them up. Forgot about other top WR talent thinking that base was covered. Only to see both flame out totally.

Real talk: I will credit this staff with Dassan McCullough, Jacory Barney, N. Hunter and that's it. And I consider Barney a special teams dude and a regular guy on offense. Dylan and E. Pritchett could end up being dudes, but they aren't yet. Everything else they have right now I consider B1G average or below.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

If Eichorst was not a ***** and if some of our fans did not need to be French kissed by the coach, we could still have Bo and his recruits, many of which are still in the NFL.

 

[Jeans_15]

I don't care about any skill position players

Every dime needs to be spent on both lines.

Every dime.

 

[Jeans_15]

If Eichorst was not a ***** and if some of our fans did not need to be French kissed by the coach, we could still have Bo and his recruits, many of which are still in the NFL.

At east he could develop players.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

At east he could develop players.

So true and for real, his one major issue was dealing with Wisconsin who is horrible now and will only be getting worse.

 

[Claud-Henry Smoot]

So true and for real, his one major issue was dealing with Wisconsin who is horrible now and will only be getting worse.

They have better wins than Nebraska

 

[GXUVIR2025]

If Eichorst was not a ***** and if some of our fans did not need to be French kissed by the coach, we could still have Bo and his recruits, many of which are still in the NFL.

He won 75% of his games here, winning no fewer than 9 every year, and had the team in, I think, 3 conference championships. I would have loved to have seen what he could have done had he not been fired. There’s no doubt he’d have produced better results than the 3 clowns who came after him.

 

[Steely Dannebrog]

There's no toughness to be found at any level in this program. We're not that far removed from the Riley days in that regard. You just know that Iowa is already an L because of this. The players know that the season has become a disappointment, and on the heels of an embarrassing national TV loss to a floundering Ped. State and the resultant criticisms, the season is no longer "fun" anymore and that = check out time.

You'll still see some effort from guys who has NFL or transfer options, but the "team" is a goner.

 

[Zeke Husker]

There's no toughness to be found at any level in this program. We're not that far removed from the Riley days in that regard. You just know that Iowa is already an L because of this. The players know that the season has become a disappointment, and on the heels of an embarrassing national TV loss to a floundering Ped. State and the resultant criticisms, the season is no longer "fun" anymore and that = check out time.

You'll still see some effort from guys who has NFL or transfer options, but the "team" is a goner.

Yep and since players quit after final regular season game, skip bowl practices and games….they only have 5 more days before they can move on. Who are you expecting to pack it in Friday afternoon?

 

[redwine65]

going from watching 95 huskers run game, to collapsing pocket statue game...
is like going from watching bull riding, to transexual curling

 

[SuperBigFan69]

They have better wins than Nebraska

And a ton more losses.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

He won 75% of his games here, winning no fewer than 9 every year, and had the team in, I think, 3 conference championships. I would have loved to have seen what he could have done had he not been fired. There’s no doubt he’d have produced better results than the 3 clowns who came after him.

I can't wait for the "If he was so good, how come he isn't coaching???" posts.

Ummm, because he has tons of money and can chill

 

[dinglefritz]

He won 75% of his games here, winning no fewer than 9 every year, and had the team in, I think, 3 conference championships. I would have loved to have seen what he could have done had he not been fired. There’s no doubt he’d have produced better results than the 3 clowns who came after him.

I would have loved to see what he could have done if he wasn’t psychotic.

 

[dinglefritz]

I can't wait for the "If he was so good, how come he isn't coaching???" posts.

Ummm, because he has tons of money and can chill

Tons of money? You don’t understand how taxation works in the upper brackets and he had damned few of those years. He failed at Youngstown State and again when LSU brought him back as their DC. Bo I’m sure can stay retired and be fine but he’s a pauper compared to today’s head coaches.

 

[dinglefritz]

A reason why the nitpicking happens with position groups and coaching is rooted in the hope that our average players can pull off a victory "if these plays are called," or "this scheme is used."

Superior athletes can make plays in spite of unit deficiencies, poor play calling, or bad scheme. Fact is, we need more dudes. And in the NIL era as a casual fan, I'm not donating to get the dudes.

When was the last time we had a large group of dudes? I would say Pelini era. Those coaches, schemes or full units (aside from the 2009 Defense) weren't world beaters, but they had dudes. Sh## pass play? No problem. TMart turns it into a 48 yard scramble. Defense out of position? Doesn't matter. Suh blew up two OL's and everybody else is in the backfield.

After we ran out of dudes, we started to get "creased" in the run game, and coverage busts were obvious because we used to get home before they mattered.

Anyhow, we need dudes. We've really maybe got two each on offense and defense. I would argue that to get over the hump, we've got to have 60% of the guys out there on each unit be star or elite caliber to be a 9+ win team in this league. Recruited dudes, bought dudes, whatever. And most of us would like to see that for nothing more than the face value of a ticket.

The last time we had a lot of dudes was early in Bo’s tenure consisting of Callahan’s guys and a few guys Bo recruited like LaVontae.

Some complained that Bo didn’t leverage Suh’s fame in to better DT recruiting but he did find some guys who went on to the NFL. Just not enough of them. Go look at who our offensive centers were at the end.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Agree that we do not have enough 'dudes' on the team.. talent evaluation is very much lacking.. it's like we are really missing someone with common sense football smarts in this area, and it's been noticeable since we brought in MR. I thought maybe that had changed when he brought in Dana, but he's been very disappointing in the run game and scheme overall imo.. better than Satt yes, but there is a lot more that could be improved upon.

As to having enough money to buy a top team in the portal for next year... well prices are going to go up, as many teams now look at what it will take to buy a team, and adjust accordingly, you watch, prices will nearly double for top NIL talent and we're going to be in a similar boat with a lot of other teams that have 25-30 million dollars to spend on a team.

I believe that the donor fatigue is also real.

I still believe MR wants out of Lincoln, but it's become a lot more complicated with his new buyout.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Tons of money? You don’t understand how taxation works in the upper brackets and he had damned few of those years. He failed at Youngstown State and again when LSU brought him back as their DC. Bo I’m sure can stay retired and be fine but he’s a pauper compared to today’s head coaches.

I mean, the guy has not worked for about 5 years. I think he is doing okay.

 

[Man Woman & Child]

I can't wait for the "If he was so good, how come he isn't coaching???" posts.

Ummm, because he has tons of money and can chill

Oh, so he's lazy then? Got it.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Oh, so he's lazy then? Got it.

I mean, that might be.

But some of you guys act like he should be working at Trader Joe's

He probably made more money getting fired from LSU than most of us make in 10 years.

 

[Nuts McClanahan]

Honestly, do you think this staff has the ability to identify "dudes" ? Do you think they scout much, or just rely on some newsletter from a recruiting service that 129 other schools subscribe to?

That was Callahan. Frost didn't evaluate anything either. It was more about stars-- a guy might suck but if some website had given him four stars at some point then that was good enough. Pelini's staff did their own evaluations but didn't work hard enough to fill up a class or keep key commits and so Bo took some guys late he didn't know anything about. Mike Reilly's plan for recruiting was a **** show with each position coach seemingly on his own.

Rhule's staff looks like they evaluate and recruit well. I think Rhule's biggest problem at this point isn't recruiting.

 

[Nuts McClanahan]

Tons of money? You don’t understand how taxation works in the upper brackets and he had damned few of those years. He failed at Youngstown State and again when LSU brought him back as their DC. Bo I’m sure can stay retired and be fine but he’s a pauper compared to today’s head coaches.

Really? How does taxation work in the upper brackets?

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Really? How does taxation work in the upper brackets?

I love this weird idea that rich people are broke

Again, we have fans that think Bo is currently having to work at Trader Joe's.

 

[Man Woman & Child]

I mean, that might be.

But some of you guys act like he should be working at Trader Joe's

He probably made more money getting fired from LSU than most of us make in 10 years.

I don't think most people act like that. I think rational people know that he wasn't good enough for our standards, as was proven by him subsequently finding his rightful place in the football world.

But, for the few outlier extreme detractors you're referring to, similar can be said of a lot of Bo supporters who also tend to speak in absolutes when it comes to him i. e. he won enough so it didn't matter how he acted.

Fact is, as is the case with most things, somewhere in the middle of both extremes is the reality. No, Bo didn't win enough to get away with acting the way he did. He would have had to have had a Nick Saban record to be able to keep getting away with that, and even then, it was unacceptable. Conversely, just because you're a nice guy who acts right, doesn't forgive losing. See Mike Riley.

Bo wasn't good enough for Nebraska. Period. And we haven't found the guy who is since, for other reasons.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

I don't think most people act like that. I think rational people know that he wasn't good enough for our standards, as was proven by him subsequently finding his rightful place in the football world.

But, for the few outlier extreme detractors you're referring to, similar can be said of a lot of Bo supporters who also tend to speak in absolutes when it comes to him i. e. he won enough so it didn't matter how he acted.

Fact is, as is the case with most things, somewhere in the middle of both extremes is the reality. No, Bo didn't win enough to get away with acting the way he did. He would have had to have had a Nick Saban record to be able to keep getting away with that, and even then, it was unacceptable. Conversely, just because you're a nice guy who acts right, doesn't forgive losing. See Mike Riley.

Bo wasn't good enough for Nebraska. Period. And we haven't found the guy who is since, for other reasons.

"acting the way he did" is such a lame thing to worry about it.

If he is not killing people or doing some crazy illegal who cares about the rest.

I don't need my HC to French Kiss me...

 

[Bigred2467]

I don't need my HC to French Kiss me...

Don’t tell that to PJ.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Don’t tell that to PJ.

Haha! No kidding!

 

[Truewooper]

I love this weird idea that rich people are broke

Again, we have fans that think Bo is currently having to work at Trader Joe's.

My mom's uncle's friend swears she saw him working at McDonald's. Called her a fat cow cause she changed her order at the window.

 

[Man Woman & Child]

"acting the way he did" is such a lame thing to worry about it.

If he is not killing people or doing some crazy illegal who cares about the rest.

I don't need my HC to French Kiss me...

Exhibit A ^

similar can be said of a lot of Bo supporters who also tend to speak in absolutes when it comes to him i. e. he won enough so it didn't matter how he acted.

 

[dinglefritz]

I mean, the guy has not worked for about 5 years. I think he is doing okay.

Absolutely fine. I don’t think Bo is a guy who needs a lavish lifestyle. Ironically in some ways he reminds me of myself. My temper has gotten me in to trouble more than once. It’s maybe one of the reasons I was so judgmental of his behavior

 

[dinglefritz]

Oh, so he's lazy then? Got it.

Most men as they age lose the desire to make more and do more if they’ve reached a comfortable level from financially. Call it lazy or call it wanting to enjoy life without dealing with the BS. He’s no doubt lived modestly enough that he can live comfortably and help out his family. In that regard he’s led a successful life.

 

[knightwxc5000]

If Eichorst was not a ***** and if some of our fans did not need to be French kissed by the coach, we could still have Bo and his recruits, many of which are still in the NFL.

Bo couldn't even make it at Youngstown state. His QB when he got fired was a dude that ended up as a backup TE at some backwater FCS Texas school. His recruiting was going to hell.

 

[HuskerO58]

I can't wait for the "If he was so good, how come he isn't coaching???" posts.

Ummm, because he has tons of money and can chill

Actually, he tried coaching again. He just wasn't very good at it any more outside of his 2016 season.

 

[dinglefritz]

Bo couldn't even make it at Youngstown state. His QB when he got fired was a dude that ended up as a backup TE at some backwater FCS Texas school. His recruiting was going to hell.

He had some marginally better teams at YSU when he started out by landing some defensive transfers from NU. The guy who took his dich out in public in Lincoln was a good player for him. Apparently that’s no big deal in Youngstown OH. Happens every day there. I think he got a cup of coffee in the NFL.

 

[Anon1752238241]

A reason why the nitpicking happens with position groups and coaching is rooted in the hope that our average players can pull off a victory "if these plays are called," or "this scheme is used."

Superior athletes can make plays in spite of unit deficiencies, poor play calling, or bad scheme. Fact is, we need more dudes. And in the NIL era as a casual fan, I'm not donating to get the dudes.

When was the last time we had a large group of dudes? I would say Pelini era. Those coaches, schemes or full units (aside from the 2009 Defense) weren't world beaters, but they had dudes. Sh## pass play? No problem. TMart turns it into a 48 yard scramble. Defense out of position? Doesn't matter. Suh blew up two OL's and everybody else is in the backfield.

After we ran out of dudes, we started to get "creased" in the run game, and coverage busts were obvious because we used to get home before they mattered.

Anyhow, we need dudes. We've really maybe got two each on offense and defense. I would argue that to get over the hump, we've got to have 60% of the guys out there on each unit be star or elite caliber to be a 9+ win team in this league. Recruited dudes, bought dudes, whatever. And most of us would like to see that for nothing more than the face value of a ticket.

Excellent post, sometimes the truth hurts but you're right on.

 

[Bigred2467]

A reason why the nitpicking happens with position groups and coaching is rooted in the hope that our average players can pull off a victory "if these plays are called," or "this scheme is used."

Superior athletes can make plays in spite of unit deficiencies, poor play calling, or bad scheme. Fact is, we need more dudes. And in the NIL era as a casual fan, I'm not donating to get the dudes.

When was the last time we had a large group of dudes? I would say Pelini era. Those coaches, schemes or full units (aside from the 2009 Defense) weren't world beaters, but they had dudes. Sh## pass play? No problem. TMart turns it into a 48 yard scramble. Defense out of position? Doesn't matter. Suh blew up two OL's and everybody else is in the backfield.

After we ran out of dudes, we started to get "creased" in the run game, and coverage busts were obvious because we used to get home before they mattered.

Anyhow, we need dudes. We've really maybe got two each on offense and defense. I would argue that to get over the hump, we've got to have 60% of the guys out there on each unit be star or elite caliber to be a 9+ win team in this league. Recruited dudes, bought dudes, whatever. And most of us would like to see that for nothing more than the face value of a ticket.

How do you explain Iowa’s success on defense? We have out-recruited them for years.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Bo couldn't even make it at Youngstown state. His QB when he got fired was a dude that ended up as a backup TE at some backwater FCS Texas school. His recruiting was going to hell.

Didn't he go to the championship game while coaching Youngstown?

 

[SuperBigFan69]

He had some marginally better teams at YSU when he started out by landing some defensive transfers from NU. The guy who took his dich out in public in Lincoln was a good player for him. Apparently that’s no big deal in Youngstown OH. Happens every day there. I think he got a cup of coffee in the NFL.

Avery Moss???

That guy was going to be good!

 

[4.6.3]

The last time we had a lot of dudes was early in Bo’s tenure consisting of Callahan’s guys and a few guys Bo recruited like LaVontae.

Some complained that Bo didn’t leverage Suh’s fame in to better DT recruiting but he did find some guys who went on to the NFL. Just not enough of them. Go look at who our offensive centers were at the end.

Or what the linebackers room looked like