Duke had $35m- Dark Money? WSJ

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If they just delete flagg, and change him with Harper or bailey, they may not even be in E8

Do not think boozer is flagg good next year...

Flagg is most dominant freshman since ad (yes, I think he is better player than zion)
Boozer probably wont be Flagg good, but they still have the jump on a pretty stacked roster. 4 top 25 recruits, Likely getting back
Isaiah Evans, Patrick Ngongba, Maliq Brown, Foster, Harris, and whoever they pull in from the portal. On top of maybe adding Ament. Here is a link to the article without the paywall. https://www.wsj.com/sports/basketba...ollective-ncaa-tournament-final-four-196aa6b1
 
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If that’s true, we are cooked. We have no chance to compete with 35M in recruiting
It's not, nowhere does it say $35 million in that article. Which is kind of the point of the article, no one knows how much Duke has in NIL. Three venture capitalists basically started an investment fund for Duke NIL and the money gets passed to Scheyer so he can do whatever he wants with it without involvement from the people running the fund. Amounts are kept secret.
 

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Boozer probably wont be Flagg good, but they still have the jump on a pretty stacked roster. 4 top 25 recruits, Likely getting back
Isaiah Evans, Patrick Ngongba, Maliq Brown, Foster, Harris, and whoever they pull in from the portal. On top of maybe adding Ament. Here is a link to the article without the paywall. https://www.wsj.com/sports/basketba...ollective-ncaa-tournament-final-four-196aa6b1
I will not disagree with you

But will not be a sure thing as this year
 
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Each of our guys are getting at least 1M in NIL right now, even the freshmen. So I don’t see it being too far fetched that they have a ton with a private school full of doctors and lawyers like Duke.
 

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No one disputes that. The whole point of my argument is that it's far fetched that they have $35 million a year in NIL. There are MLB baseball teams that barely have twice that payroll - for 162 games no less.
I read the article and couldn’t find $35 million anywhere. Couldnt find $25MM- or $10Mm. It even states they won’t tell how much they spent this year. It’s just another misleading thread by @canebreak
 
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You could tell me just about any amount of money was dedicated to Flagg and I’d believe it. But for the rest of those guys they’d be going way above market at the time. And that doesn’t make sense unless they’re just the absolute best at selecting players who fit together as a team. Which, if so, good for them.

I bet all Duke players are getting a pretty good spike in NIL pay, above where most other programs would pay. Just look at what they did for Zion.

Idk if it's $35mil.. but its pretty obvious they're out spending everyone for their roster.
 
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Duke didn't want Dybantsa?

Apparently not, at least not for his price. BYU has loads of cash too but not the brand building opportunities. Rumors at the time were 6-8 mil in nil. Who knows if it was true but you can guarantee it was alot.

Imo two schools wrecked the nil market: asu paying through the nose for jq and Washington paying stupid money for great osobor. That reset everything then byu undoubtedly overpaid for aj. I'm not counting duke because flagg was going there regardless.

Then all the boisterous billionaires spouted about paying whatever it took and away we went.
 
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Wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of those funds are coming from former players. I know if I was a coach at a school with tons of former players in the NBA I’d set up an account and let them donate. They take pride in bragging rights.
 

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Wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of those funds are coming from former players. I know if I was a coach at a school with tons of former players in the NBA I’d set up an account and let them donate. They take pride in bragging rights.
This is what I have said. Hire a gm to focus on donations, especially former players. Mike Pratt would have been ideal for this
 
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This is true and could be a conservative estimate. It's been true for a while, they just had to hide it better. Being a private school they could obscure their finances better. Way less transparency and disclosure rules for Private Schools.

Beyond the obvious nike pay for play, they also got away with directly paying players.

Each school was allowed to provide a stipend for cost of attendance. It was meant to be a meager amount paid to athletes to cover travel, books, etc. Public schools had to make their stipend public but private schools did not.

It was long known duke was paying actually decent money, well above a stipend, but no one cared to investigate.

Even more were all the no show jobs for the parents with mb3 being the most egregious with the home and special licensing deal plus aau coaching salary.

They had financial advantages for years. The difference now is several other players are in the legit nil game. All well behind duke, but also well ahead of us.
 

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Apparently not, at least not for his price. BYU has loads of cash too but not the brand building opportunities. Rumors at the time were 6-8 mil in nil. Who knows if it was true but you can guarantee it was alot.

Imo two schools wrecked the nil market: asu paying through the nose for jq and Washington paying stupid money for great osobor. That reset everything then byu undoubtedly overpaid for aj. I'm not counting duke because flagg was going there regardless.

Then all the boisterous billionaires spouted about paying whatever it took and away we went.
If Duke has a cutoff for a generational talent like Dybantsa, then their NIL isn't as unlimited, unmatchable, and scary as it is being made out to be. So much for "they will get every single generational player and any elite freshman they want."
 

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Beyond the obvious nike pay for play, they also got away with directly paying players.
Oregon seems really bad at using Phil Knight's money and Nike influence to land players. Who are their best players over the past 30 years? It's not a list that will WOW anybody.
 

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Alot of big tobacco companies money in that part of NC where Duke and UNC are.
 

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I remember watching an interview a few years ago, when JJ Redick was interviewing a 6 10 wing, Matas Buzelis, when he was playing for the NBA G league. In the interview Redick indicated along with Matas that Matas wanted to go to Duke, but there was a NIL conflict. JJ went on to say they would be working to fix that in the future.

There’s no doubt in my mind, that besides cooperations like NIKE, ESPN, and wealthy alums, that Duke is probably getting a major boost from their former players as well. Duke is a national brand and will always find money.

A hard cap is needed, but how do you enforce a hard cap on a private organization that doesn’t have to disclose where there money from and how they spend it? (Legit question, for anyone that could answer)
 

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I believe the $35 million was an initial sum to get Duke a leg up in the NIL era, not a yearly budget!

But apparently, Scheyer has their blessing to ask for whatever he needs to stay competitive! As far as others asking why they didn’t pay Dybantsa, that’s simple…

Dybantsa wanted to be a Big Fish in a small pond, and didn’t want to share the spotlight with the Boozers and others, but make no mistake, in coming years, we are going to see Duke classes that make some of Calipari’s look like Pope’s current one.

Duke will buy their way to CBB supremacy, the way they always have, except now, it’s permissible!
 
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A hard cap is needed, but how do you enforce a hard cap on a private organization that doesn’t have to disclose where there money from and how they spend it? (Legit question, for anyone that could answer)
You can't because teams would find a way to pay under the table (the traditional way to illegally recruit) to subvert the cap.
 

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As far as others asking why they didn’t pay Dybantsa, that’s simple…

Dybantsa wanted to be a Big Fish in a small pond, and didn’t want to share the spotlight with the Boozers and others, but make no mistake, in coming years, we are going to see Duke classes that make some of Calipari’s look like Pope’s current one.
Sharing the spotlight with the Boozers is a big LOL for me. They would not be rated that high if Carlos wasn't their dad.
 
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If Duke has a cutoff for a generational talent like Dybantsa, then their NIL isn't as unlimited, unmatchable, and scary as it is being made out to be. So much for "they will get every single generational player and any elite freshman they want."

Not everyone with a price tag is a good fit. Im sure he wants to be featured and duke isnt that kind of place.

Oregon seems really bad at using Phil Knight's money and Nike influence to land players. Who are their best players over the past 30 years? It's not a list that will WOW anybody.

I cant tell if you are disputing the nike/duke connection or not.

Oregon does pretty well with it, just not in basketball. The nike influence is way more than just phil Knight.
 
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After seeing the media all proverbially throw themselves off bridges following Duke's loss, i came to this deduction: the so called dark money is coming from the media.

Think about it - why else would there be a need to keep it so secret? Because its obvious it would be a huuuuge conflict of interest if it was known Disney/espn or the like is giving money to a program theyre purportedly covering objectively.

That's the only reason to keep the money dark.
 
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Not everyone with a price tag is a good fit. Im sure he wants to be featured and duke isnt that kind of place.
You have to be joking. It's A.J. "Freakin" Dybantsa. Featuring Cooper Flagg was pretty much their whole season.

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I cant tell if you are disputing the nike/duke connection or not.

Oregon does pretty well with it, just not in basketball. The nike influence is way more than just phil Knight.
Why haven't they done well with it in basketball?
 
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That “dark money” came up a bucket short.

Duke was elite before NIL…not sure them having money to pay players they were already going to pull changes much.
 

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The Dark Money Behind Duke Basketball​

The Blue Devils have a Final Four roster that takes millions of dollars to assemble, but exactly who is paying for it remains a mystery. That’s no accident.​


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Duke Blue Devils basketball players huddle.
Duke has steamrolled its way to the Final Four. ILLUSTRATION: WSJ, PATRICK SMITH/GETTY IMAGES
It’s no secret how the best college basketball teams are assembled these days: Follow the money.
It isn’t hard to find. The boosters who spend millions to lure in prized freshmen and coveted transfer players sit courtside at games, while the fundraising collectives that pool money to attract premier talent actively solicit donations online.
But if you’re looking for the money behind the most iconic brand in college basketball, the favorite to win the NCAA tournament and the team that landed future No. 1 NBA pick Cooper Flagg, you’re likely to find nothing at all.
Duke has steamrolled its way to the Final Four because it has one of the greatest collections of players in modern college basketball history. Yet who exactly is paying for a roster that cost millions of dollars to put together remains a gigantic mystery.
In a move that’s highly unusual for a major college program, there’s virtually no online footprint for Duke basketball’s booster collective. That’s not because the Blue Devils have somehow managed to construct a star-studded team without gobs of cash lining players’ pockets, though.
Instead, Duke is in a position to compete for its sixth national championship thanks to a group of high net worth donors who have chosen to operate in a way that makes them unique in the braggadocious world of college sports—by conducting their business from the shadows.
People involved with the operation say the group’s silence is intentional. They say their goal is to give coach Jon Scheyer the resources to compete, to support his vision and never be a distraction from the ultimate goal of winning national championships.
Duke's Cooper Flagg defends Arizona's Anthony Dell'Orso during a basketball game.
Cooper Flagg and the Blue Devils are 35-3 heading into the Final Four. PHOTO: ROBERT DEUTSCH/REUTERS
What little evidence there is of the group’s existence is buried deep in corporate records. In March of 2023, two weeks after Scheyer’s first season as Mike Krzyzewski’s replacement ended with a loss in the NCAA tournament’s round of 32, three Duke alumni incorporated a non-profit in Delaware. With an address listed as an office building in Arkansas, they called it “One Vision Futures Fund” and applied to do business in North Carolina, according to state records.
In its annual report for last year, there was no hiding its purpose in an era when college athletes get paid for their name, image and likeness. The form says, “Description of nature of business: Sports NIL.”
The address of OVFF, as it’s known, belongs to the office of Duke alum Jeff Fox, the CEO and founder of the investment firm Circumference Group. He’s listed on incorporating documents as one of three executive officers, along with fellow alumni Dan Levitan, co-founder of the venture capital firm Maveron, and Steve Duncker, a former partner at Goldman Sachs.
The three men are no strangers to supporting their alma mater on the hardwood. More than two decades ago, Levitan convinced the school to start the Duke Basketball Venture Capital Co-Investment Fund, which was believed to be the first VC fund supporting a single college sports team.
“Universities are better served by a VC participating in a fund than just giving the same amount directly,” Levitan told The Wall Street Journal in 2006.
That was eons ago in the world of college sports. Well-heeled boosters are no longer limited to funding a new practice facility or chipping in for the coaching staff to get a raise. Now they can actually pay the players.
Which makes Duke’s backers an outlier. In taking a more secretive approach, they have chosen to operate in total silence even though what they’re doing is perfectly legal.
Most collectives loudly broadcast their activities because they’ll take money from anyone with a credit card. Auburn’s “On to Victory,” “Florida Victorious” and Houston’s “LinkingCoogs” all have websites where visitors can become a member and donate to the team within a couple of clicks. Those schools’ athletic departments also publicly promote their collectives.
OVFF has no such digital presence, and its near invisibility stands in stark contrast to Duke’s other booster collective. The Durham Devil’s Club has a website offering memberships that start at $20 a month and lists a number of teams it supports from football to women’s soccer—but notably not the basketball team.
In response to inquiries from the Journal about the collective’s activities, Rachel Baker, the Duke men’s basketball general manager who was hired in 2022 to oversee NIL, says OVFF’s under-the-radar approach is quite intentional. For one, she says, it helps protect the players’ personal lives when boosters aren’t touting how much they’re being paid.
“It’s no secret what we do,” Baker says, “but the discretion around it is more about our athletes’ privacy than anything else.”



Jeff Fox, Steve Duncker and Dan LevitanAL BEHRMAN/ASSOCIATED PRESS, PATRICK MCMULLAN/GETTY IMAGES, CHRIS GOODNEY/BLOOMBERG NEWS
The collective’s membership has been kept small on purpose, too, Baker says. After hearing stories about donors who tried to interfere with team decision making or had strings tied to their capital, OVFF wanted a tightly held group that was happy to invest passively and trust in Scheyer to run the team.
OVFF’s privacy and exclusivity has other benefits, too, Baker says. By not advertising the dollar numbers it throws around, it has allowed the collective to stay nimble in the marketplace of players. The lean operation also means they’ve avoided overhead costs, such as a business manager, with the goal that all the money going in should flow directly back out to the players.
The timing of OVFF’s founding indicates that Duke was actually a bit late to the game of tapping wealthy supporters to pay players. While other schools immediately began forking out money, Duke took a more conservative approach—especially during the wild-west early days of NIL, when the regulations over paying players were unclear.
“When I first met coach Scheyer, one of the first things he told me: ‘We’re not bending any rules,’” Baker says. “We really sat back to survey the market and then make the best Duke decision for how we wanted to move forward.”
Given that the collective was formed after last year’s freshman class had already committed, this marks the first season when its muscle is being fully deployed. It’s no coincidence that this also marks Duke’s return to superpower status.
This Blue Devil roster features what’s undoubtedly a pricey group of talent. Flagg alone reportedly makes millions off NIL, while two of his fellow freshmen, Kon Kneuppel and Khaman Maluach, were five-star recruits who are expected to be first-round NBA picks. The team also added several key veterans in the transfer portal, home to many of the game’s fiercest bidding wars.
Baker declined to give a precise figure for the budget of this year’s roster. But even before NIL, the school was accustomed to donors contributing enormous sums to the basketball team. Duke already had something called the Legacy Fund, created by Krzyzewski to endow the team.
The minimum donation for the Legacy Fund: $1 million.
 

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I remember watching an interview a few years ago, when JJ Redick was interviewing a 6 10 wing, Matas Buzelis, when he was playing for the NBA G league. In the interview Redick indicated along with Matas that Matas wanted to go to Duke, but there was a NIL conflict. JJ went on to say they would be working to fix that in the future.

There’s no doubt in my mind, that besides cooperations like NIKE, ESPN, and wealthy alums, that Duke is probably getting a major boost from their former players as well. Duke is a national brand and will always find money.

A hard cap is needed, but how do you enforce a hard cap on a private organization that doesn’t have to disclose where there money from and how they spend it? (Legit question, for anyone that could answer)
The NCAA or ACC makes rules requiring all member institution participating in CBB events falling under the NCAA/ACC bylaws to make public NIL/collective spending per player.

They are exempt from government reporting by being private. That doesn’t mean that they are exempt from rules put in place from the organizations they participate in…nobody is forcing them to participate in CBB