***DUKE VS TENNESSEE STATE OFFICIAL GAMEDAY THREAD***
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Because he's a better 1-1 defender, needs more PT to be as good as matt on help defense . He's way better on offense and is only going to get better. Teams have to respect frank instead they play off matt. Matt peaked 2 years ago. He clearly lacks ability and confidence on offense, a bad combination.
His leadership is priceless but is not needed on the court. Allen and amile can do that.
Hey guys. It's okay to question why Jones has such a long leash. It's okay to defend him having such a long leash. But we shouldn't get all butthurt over someone else's opinion. Though there have been some nice daggers.
I think some of us are making one poor performance in December more than what it is. It was an ugly game and very hard to watch, no doubt. And in a way, I kind of look at it the same as a loss. But it's not going to be a game that defines the season.
Go Duke!
I think some of us are making one poor performance in December more than what it is. It was an ugly game and very hard to watch, no doubt. And in a way, I kind of look at it the same as a loss. But it's not going to be a game that defines the season.
Go Duke!
Willing to bet the 3 amigos went to Desoto
OFC
The OFC is for 55 and older or pre Coach K fans. OFC
As they and we should. They didn't play consistently well last night for a number of reasons, we should all expect that to improve. I'm very confident it will.
hokie thats an interesting game plan if true and it may very well be. I don't know much of how a coach thinks or what these coaches plan like but I imagine some of them hide the real team until it matters most and others likely do not. I would think the coaches would have to keep changing sets and plays constantly to keep other teams guessing.
If their offense was anywhere near where their defense is , that team would be a tough out for a lot of people. Heck , they were a tough out for State and Duke...both on the road too. Duke , again , showed what we're likely to see a lot of this year...stretches of explosive offense that turns close games ( like last night's ) into comfortable wins. BTW , if unx fired Roy and hired the dude from TSU I might just crap my pants. THAT'S a coach. If they do anything at all this year , he's gonna have some bigger schools knockin.'
I can assure you without a doubt that the blue blood programs and perennial top teams do this. No need to show your whole playbook against Tennessee State. No disrespect to Tennessee State.
Classy making fun of mentally ill people..you chose that route though.Not me...mhm moving on!
I'm just saying there aren't many students. I grew up in a rural town too.
lol.Actually, Jackson's assists are virtually the same on a per minute basis. So, too, rebounds. Jackson is clearly a better ball handler. And, the 12 pts/game are at 26.6 mpg; Matt's 7 are at 34.1 mpg.
And shooting % is significantly, not just marginally, higher ...
(FG%; FT%; 3pt%):
Jackson: .485; .821; .395 ... and that's for a Freshman just breaking in.
Jones: .362; .700; .321
Jones is a liability on offense; he is not a ball handler. His offensive game simply has not improved as one would have hoped for a senior. That's not all there is to his game but he's not a lock down defender - certainly not at guard.
Jackson, on the other hand, has better ball skills and that's a premium given that we really don't have a pure ball-handling point guard.
Unless he regresses, I think Jackson will come on. So, I agree that Jackson should be getting more minutes than Jones. He's the more talented and better player overall and if he's given minutes has far more upside. Those minutes (34 / 26) should be reversed.
Just no arguing with you guys in the anti-Jackson crowd, is there? I can't believe that you hate Jackson so much? Why is it that no matter what, you are against the kid? So prejudice because he is a freshman. In spite of his quality shooting and ball handling skills - no matter what you are against him ... you just want seniors on the court regardless of talent. You don't care about whether some guy can't shoot and takes bad shots. No point debating or discussing anything with you because you'll always take a senior over talent. You probably hated having Grant Hill on the floor against UNLV in '91 (if you were around then).
Hopefully you have the ability to recognize the ad hominem absurdity of this - and to also have the integrity to see how ridiculous your own post looks beside it.
Settle down the thing your cute response misses is that none of the Matt supporters bash other members of the team to try and justify our opinion. We don't watch games looking for subtle mistakes so we can run to the board and attack a specific player. I like what Matt brings to the table and I think he has value to this team. If he doesn't start I won't lose my mind and I won't hijack numerous threads to state otherwise. I take issue with the generic Matt stinks comments by the same posters who see no value in veteran leadership, solid defense and the ability to knock down 3's, albeit not as frequently as even I would like.
It's clear to K that Frank is more talented than Matt. Matt does a lot of things worse than Frank. It's what Matt doesn't do that makes K more comfortable playing him in crunch time. K wants Luke, Amile, Jayson and Grayson taking shots for most of the game. Frank is not a good facilitator yet, even if he can finish well. Matt keeps the offense moving as he doesn't occupy the ball long, Frank tends to hesitate and hold the rock. And while Matt is not a lock down defender, he's better than Frank at it. It's not a clear choice of who to play. I personally would be giving Frank starts to try and develop him quicker, but I've not got a close personal relationship with Matt, so it's easy for me to ignore the fact that Matt has earned this PT.
I don't think we're in the anti Jackson crowd. I think we're in the pro Coach K crowd. I for one trust Coach K's lineup and find it comical that those who have never seen them practice daily and have no pulse of what's going on with the team think they know who should play the most and start. I'm going to enjoy watching every minute of this team regardless who plays and know that we have the best coach in the country.
I completely agree, but K isn't perfect. Wojo started over 70 games at duke, Paul us over 100 and Lee M got starts.
matt is just being outclassed on the court. Just like last year when ACC play started.You either improve or regress,hate to say it but it's the latter.
I think if Matt would hit 3 pointers at close to last year's rate (.415), then it would be a different situation---but he's wayy below that. With the attention all our other scorers get, Matt can just hang out on the perimeter. We need him to be your typical 3 and D guy.
I tend to be in the middle of this Jones/Jackson argument.
Who is the better athlete? Jackson. Scorer? Jackson. Quicker? Jackson. Who will put up better numbers in the box score? Jackson, easily.
But our roster has plenty of great athletes, scorers, and quickness. We need a guy out there to set great screens and guard the others teams best scorer. Matt just does so much that doesn't show up in the box score. I'd venture to say he is a much better screener than Frank. He is also a much better defender than Frank. HE MAY NOT GET AS MANY STEALS AS FRANK, BUT HE ALWAYS STAYS BETWEEN HIS MAN AND THE BASKET, UNLIKE MOST OF OUR ROSTER. I believe it is a great formula to have Luke, Jayson, Grayson, and Amile (with Harry sprinkled in eventually) carry the scoring load and have guys like Matt play a role, Frank play a role too. And yes, Matt is the better role player than Frank.
They should both be playing 20-25 with a fully healthy roster.
The bigger question is what do we do with our glut of bigs?? Not many expected Amile to be this good. If you have noticed, our offense is terrible when we play Amile at the 4 with Marques/Chase at the 5, ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE. We need to figure out how to play efficiently with 2 bigs on the floor, because we got a roster loaded with them.
Who is the better athlete? Jackson. Scorer? Jackson. Quicker? Jackson. Who will put up better numbers in the box score? Jackson, easily.
But our roster has plenty of great athletes, scorers, and quickness. We need a guy out there to set great screens and guard the others teams best scorer. Matt just does so much that doesn't show up in the box score. I'd venture to say he is a much better screener than Frank. He is also a much better defender than Frank. HE MAY NOT GET AS MANY STEALS AS FRANK, BUT HE ALWAYS STAYS BETWEEN HIS MAN AND THE BASKET, UNLIKE MOST OF OUR ROSTER. I believe it is a great formula to have Luke, Jayson, Grayson, and Amile (with Harry sprinkled in eventually) carry the scoring load and have guys like Matt play a role, Frank play a role too. And yes, Matt is the better role player than Frank.
They should both be playing 20-25 with a fully healthy roster.
The bigger question is what do we do with our glut of bigs?? Not many expected Amile to be this good. If you have noticed, our offense is terrible when we play Amile at the 4 with Marques/Chase at the 5, ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE. We need to figure out how to play efficiently with 2 bigs on the floor, because we got a roster loaded with them.
Some games Matt shoots well and when he does it make us better appreciate him.
When he doesn't it makes us scratch our heads a bit.
When he doesn't it makes us scratch our heads a bit.
And we should leave it at that. I challenge the board for tonight's game not to criticize Matt or anyone else just for one game at least. It might even make you feel like a better Duke fan. OFC
Hopefully you can lead the charge tonight of talking about all the small things he does that don't show up in the box score and that no one can see. Like leading the team in tying shoe efficiency, most facial hair, ability to run when slouched over, first on the bus but last off, and a magical smile.