EARLY 2026-27 lineup projections/discussions
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The kids involved will get a say in what, where, who.
I ask Levi and Mitch which one of you is wrestling 165 and which 174. The both laughed and said where ever the coaches tell us. I then laughed and said "bullshiit, you both knew what you were doing at the end of the first day you were in the room together. You two then told the coaches and they kind of shrugged and grunted yeah, ok. Then reminded you that everything is Top secret so don't tell." Levi burst out laughing and ask me, "yep. But, since you know how it works why did you ask."
people have to stop slotting MM at 174. He's a clear 165 like Barr is a clear 197.
Except my post didn't settle anything. Other than, Ono is not wrestling 141 next year.
I said that once and got schooled. He's wrestled after the concussions so that doesn't seem to be the issue.
Stop. Kasak is not going 149. He's a pure 157 now.The Coach John Smith memorial line up:
125 LL
133 Ono
141 SVN
149 Kasak
157 Duke
165 Mesenbrink
174 Welsh
184 Barr
197 Mirasola
285 Mirasola
It was a joke read the top line lol
Sorry, having a few bourbons to counteract the toxic three days of drinking during nationals, lol.
LOL on the John Smith reference.
Connor will replace barr. When barr is done or when barr takes an Olympic shirt.
Considering that Braeden and Cole scored a combined 4.5 team points, I think you will see a considerable boost in team points at the 2027 NCAA tournament for those two weights.
Zinkin, Raney, Forrest, Vega , Raney, Robideau, Lockett, Ryder, Merrill, Ross , National championship possible team for 2 or 3 years, then following recruits. Great competition.
Sealey might be a guy who wants to be at PSU and is willing to wait till his Sr. Year?
Still no room his senior year. Feel bad for him, but it is what it is.
2029 at the earliest in my opinion.
Not touching Penn State until the current sophomores are gone.
You say it very matter of factly. We've seen Desmond this year at 41. I believe his best win at 41 was against Ragusin SV who was a shell of himself this year and not a NQ. We've also seen Ono win the 24 Asian games at 65 kg. I realize freestyle and folkstyle are different animals, but in my opinion right now Ono scores more points at 41 than Desmond. Now if that was just your opinion than I misinterpreted and I apologzie. But this thread is pure speculation and the only thing we can go on is LL said he'll be back at 25. Other than that, all we can go on is speculation.
One Raney will be out of the lineup, no matter what. Little Raney is in if Jax/Vega move up. Big Raney (149) is out if Jax/Vega move up.
I'm not worried about Ono on bottom actually. He's athletic as all hell. I'd be worried about him on bottom against Jax or Seidel, but that's EVERYBODY anyway, so it's a push.
His biggest struggle is going to be the scrambling/defense from his leg attacks.
It will be interesting to see where JJ ends up weight wise. He said in an interview after going 43-0 with all bonus wins and teching and pinning his way through the state tournament at 165 that he was walking around at 162 and didn't cut weight. KD has been an amazing mentor and coach to this kid and his ceiling is off the charts. His match with Marvin Miller was incredible as I felt I was watching two of the best and explosive kids I have seen. His older brother is a running back at Notre Dame so he may keep growing. I think he was around 115 as a freshman. As a jr. he won states at 150 and now he's at 165. He's one of these kids that is just so good he wrestles where he is without the need to cut weight to be competitive.
Don’t be too hard on yourself. Lots of people have difficulty understanding the concept of walking around weight vs. actual weight. Assuming you are naked in both instances, you will weigh the same.
Yeah-125-Luke
133-Desmond
141-Ono
149 -Shane
157-Kasak
165 Duke or Messinbrink
174-Messinbrink or James
184-Rocco -mirasola
197-Barr
Hey -mirasola
Apparently there's a rumor of Ono not ever wrestling for us? Pyles said something to that effect? Anyone hear anything?
Pyles and his plans.
Until he suits up and toes the line that is always a possibility, but I haven't heard anything like that.
Combination of what I have been told and what I believe. Things change, but I really don't see that one changing.
Of course, I could be wrong or you know full of baloney.
However they work it out, it will be another record setting lineup. Nobody told me that one, I just know it to be true.
I am “walking around” every afternoon dressed, fed and watered, ten pounds more than first thing in the morning, no clothes, food or water!Don’t be too hard on yourself. Lots of people have difficulty understanding the concept of walking around weight vs. actual weight. Assuming you are naked in both instances, you will weigh the same.
No reason not to believe that Lilledahl, Ono, Desmond, SVN is the front half. Blaze and Duke need to RS. Heck, Duke has been competing at the highest level for 9-12 months. Kid needs a break. Bulk up, rest up and rock in roll at 165 or 174 after MM departs. Kasak is at 157. It will be interesting to see where Henkel RSF, Cunningham RSF, James TrF, and other Mirasola RSSo end up. One of them may go at 174 next yr. But that’s 184 thru 197 for the future… in 3 yrs.
We have another team going for gold, again and will definitely threaten another team record score.
Great to see Okie St. coming but PSU has withstood runs by O$U, Iowa, Michigan, and now Nebraska. Not sustainable. Pressure is now all on them to elevate. Not sure the experience, talent, or depth is there to overtake PSU in the next three yrs…. With 155 pts returning, PSU will be sniffing 200 pts. next year.
Let them meet in December with 6 others and have a tournament. It’s great for the sport. Everyone wrestles 3 matches for places 1-8… One match each on Friday Saturday Sunday. It would be a huge event and would be a boom for any city hosting it. The weekend before the CFB playoffs.
Pyles and his buddy JD this morning said Ono will not wrestle for Penn State next year: They claim zero matches this year was not good, they also claim that Seidel would easily turn Ono on top, and they claim he isn't big enough for even 133.
OK, I was wondering. Now I know Pyles is just click baiting.
Next Pykes show will be discussing Oklahoma State's first place ranking entering the 2026-27 season.
Little wonder Cael would like to practice blast doubles on the twins with Pyles standing in the middle.
Did you see the new arrivals in two yrs? Four out of top 12 already. Although not necessarily desirable the portal will still plug any holes but shouldn’t be needed.
It’s really hard to see PSU tumbling in the next ten yrs… can OkSt sustain their push? They are Gen3 and will appeal to a certain type of grappler as will PSU…
They’re checking a lot of boxes but… must see TV!
I have this in another thread but figured it should go as well
With this debate raging on I wanted to do a side by side comparison of next years team along with what’s coming in the pipeline. OkSt has 2 incredible classes in a row but their 2027 class is small. 2028 is the class that will really decide if they will push PSU in the near future. It’s a really good class but one I expect PSU to sign the number 1 class
PSU next year
125-Lilledahl
133-Blaze, Ono, Desmond
141-Blaze, Ono, Davis
149-SVN, Pierce, Perry, Herring
157-Duke, Kasak, Sealey
165-Mesenbrink
174-Henckel, James
184-Rocco, Asher
197-Barr, Mirasola
Heavy-Mirasola, Brown
2027 Recruits
125-Sidun
133-Burnett
149-Mangano
149/157-Shepherd
OkSt next year
125-Spratley, Sakamoto, Zinkin
133-Jax, Ramirez, Hughes, McComas, Raney
141-Vega, Jamison
149-Swiderski, Jamison, Raney
157-Robideau, Routledge
165-Lockett, Guerrero
174-Facundo
184-Ryder, White
197-Merrill, Johnson
Heavy-Ross
2027 Recruits
125-Villasenor
197-Hodgins
2028- PSU targets
Sammy Sanchez- #1 Flo big board
Cam Howard- #2 Flo big board
Jaydin O’Farrill- #7 Flo big board
Cameron Hazelett- #9 Flo big board
Mario Hutcherson- #10 Flo big board
Kendall Hoare- #11 Flo big board
I think 3 of these kids are definite PSU leans (Howard, O’Farrill, and Hutcherson) with supposed interest from the others. If PSU gets 4 of these kids it’s hard to see OkSt truly pushing them for a title in the near future. Looking at the existing lineups and what each team has coming I just don’t see it neck and neck like many are saying. I think OkSt will be in its own tier at 2nd but still a sizable amount of points behind PSU. They are paper thin in the upper weights and still need to develop a bunch of the depth that PSU has. If Lockett can grow into a 174, Robideau into 165, and Raney into 157 it would help a ton. Otherwise there is going to be some truly elite guys sitting in those lower weights. For PSU they need Mangano to be a 149, Herring to jump another level, or one of Blaze or Desmond to grow into that weight. 149 is really the only weight with question marks in the near future.
With this debate raging on I wanted to do a side by side comparison of next years team along with what’s coming in the pipeline. OkSt has 2 incredible classes in a row but their 2027 class is small. 2028 is the class that will really decide if they will push PSU in the near future. It’s a really good class but one I expect PSU to sign the number 1 class
PSU next year
125-Lilledahl
133-Blaze, Ono, Desmond
141-Blaze, Ono, Davis
149-SVN, Pierce, Perry, Herring
157-Duke, Kasak, Sealey
165-Mesenbrink
174-Henckel, James
184-Rocco, Asher
197-Barr, Mirasola
Heavy-Mirasola, Brown
2027 Recruits
125-Sidun
133-Burnett
149-Mangano
149/157-Shepherd
OkSt next year
125-Spratley, Sakamoto, Zinkin
133-Jax, Ramirez, Hughes, McComas, Raney
141-Vega, Jamison
149-Swiderski, Jamison, Raney
157-Robideau, Routledge
165-Lockett, Guerrero
174-Facundo
184-Ryder, White
197-Merrill, Johnson
Heavy-Ross
2027 Recruits
125-Villasenor
197-Hodgins
2028- PSU targets
Sammy Sanchez- #1 Flo big board
Cam Howard- #2 Flo big board
Jaydin O’Farrill- #7 Flo big board
Cameron Hazelett- #9 Flo big board
Mario Hutcherson- #10 Flo big board
Kendall Hoare- #11 Flo big board
I think 3 of these kids are definite PSU leans (Howard, O’Farrill, and Hutcherson) with supposed interest from the others. If PSU gets 4 of these kids it’s hard to see OkSt truly pushing them for a title in the near future. Looking at the existing lineups and what each team has coming I just don’t see it neck and neck like many are saying. I think OkSt will be in its own tier at 2nd but still a sizable amount of points behind PSU. They are paper thin in the upper weights and still need to develop a bunch of the depth that PSU has. If Lockett can grow into a 174, Robideau into 165, and Raney into 157 it would help a ton. Otherwise there is going to be some truly elite guys sitting in those lower weights. For PSU they need Mangano to be a 149, Herring to jump another level, or one of Blaze or Desmond to grow into that weight. 149 is really the only weight with question marks in the near future.