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Feel bad for the kids, teachers strike in the middle of the season.
Feel bad for the kids, teachers strike in the middle of the season.
East St. Louis forfeits to Edwardsville 1-0
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not sure why the IHSA allows the teachers' union to use kids as fodder in their wage fights. Oh yea...the strike is for the kids....
another reason kids go to private schools for football. why is it that HS district strikes are in the fall and not April? cause there is only one place for a kid to get recruited playing their top sport of football, their HS. Basketball, soccer and baseball, kids get recruited by travel teams. Not football. You need your HS schedule for this sport. as such, parental pressure to settle with the Teachers Union. IHSA should decapitate this snake and allow football teams to play during the strike....you would see a big time shift in strike sentiment.
Don't most teachers contacts end in May or June, once school is completed? Which would cause strikes to happen when school resumes in August and there is no contract in place?
It also has to do with negotiating on good faith. Lots of times teachers will go into the year on good faith that the administrative team will come to terms with them during the year. It's actually a lot less selfless than you all make it out to be. However, this does not always work. Then comes the standstill in negotiations and thus the strikes. Now is this ALWAYS the case? No, but in a lot of cases it is.
It would be awful for such a competitive team such as ESL to not make the playoffs due to a strike.
If ESL is a 7A playoff team and does not get in, it's too early to tell where the extra 5-4 bubble team statewide now gets in on points. Eds or BW will be Southwestern conf champ and both were going make the playoffs regardless of ESL strike.
There are some interesting scenarios in the Southwestern conf if the strike lasts through the end of the season (even if ESL does not get 5 wins and is then out of playoffs).
Given that Edwardsville wins by forfeit this week, ESL is still scheduled to play Belleville East (3-2), Collinsville (1-4), and O-Fallon (1-4) and probably would have been the fifth loss for both Collinsville and O'Fallon.
O'Fallon is an 8A school with remaining schedule against Granite City(2-3), Collinsville(3-2), Belleville East(3-2), and then ESL in week 9.
A prolonged strike may give hope to O'Fallon to make the 8A playoffs, as they will have enough points with five wins, given the two non-conf loses to HC and Benet.
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I am not sure the IHSA determines whether the "striking" team plays or not. If memory serves me correctly, Galesburg had a 2 or 3 week teacher strike during the football season last year and they still played a full schedule, and eventually made the playoffs. I believe they had a waiver from the teacher union to practice and play. I could be wrong. I just do not remember all the details.
If the strike ends and ESL comes in, there is going to be a tough 1st round game for a high seed. At least it would be a home game.
Hearing this potentially could be a season ender.....very messy deal involving a state oversight board with the teachers union
This is really unfortunate for ESL. Now 3-3, if the strike goes 2 more weeks the will be out of the playoffs. Was wondering if anyone knows if they are practicing during the strike? Not sure if the coaches are allowed to work during a strike. If they are practiing, and the strike is over in, say, a week, they may be able to pull together and get to 5-4. So many questions...just feel so bad for the kids.
Kids must be brain washed.I would not walk out in support of them.1 year in the 80's Marshall High went on strike & they had to forfeit round 1 of the playoffs causing a team not to get in who could have replaced them as well as a good team to lose without playing.1987 Lane Tech had a great chance to win state.They got beat up and worn out from playing so many games in order to be the only CPS team to qualify that Mt.Carmel beat them and barely(true Lane did get a break by playing their jv vs Farragut)
All cool stories, but unfortunately teachers in east St. Louis have been working without a contract for over a year. Numbers say the district has millions in working cash available to bring to the bargaining table. Maybe teachers are sick of seeing new administrators added along with bonuses going out to other admins, while teachers have been on a hard freeze for 4 years now. East St. Louis is unique case and I think the majority of people with a clue support the teachers around the area.
So, students brainwashed? Or maybe, in this case, educated.
So, students brainwashed? Or maybe, in this case, educated.
IHSA rules prohibit participation by the school that has striking teachers. it is in their control.
You are correct. The Galesburg football program received a waiver from their district that allowed them to practice off property. The strike ended in time for the 1st game and since the team had been practicing, they had the minimum # needed to play the 1st game.
I'm also hearing they have a state oversight board (?) involved since I believe the state took over control from the local school board....please correct me if I'm mistaken.
Yes. There is ISBE financial oversight.
East St. Louis School District 189 Financial Oversight Panel
http://www.isbe.net/finance/ESL/default.htm
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As of July 2014
The ISBE-appointed members of the FOP are:
East St. Louis School District 189 Financial Oversight Panel
http://www.isbe.net/finance/ESL/default.htm
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As of July 2014
The ISBE-appointed members of the FOP are:
- Mary Kane, Senior Vice President (retired) Stifel Nicolaus & Co.
- Ranodore Foggs, a former East St. Louis Chief of Police and State Police officer and pastor of New Horizon Community Church in East St. Louis. Foggs lives in Fairview Heights and will serve as chairman of the FOP.
- Sister Julia Huiskamp, business manager of the East St. LouisHousing Authority. Sr. Huiskamp, with the Daughters of Charity of St. Vincent DePaul, lives in East St. Louis.
- Jerome Jackson, Pastor, Southern Mission Baptist Church, former junior high social science teacher in District 189. Jackson lives in East St. Louis.
- Judge Milton Wharton, a judge in the 20th Judicial Circuit in Belleville.
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Are teams who picked up a forfeit win because of a strike REQUIRED to make up the game? For example, say a forfeit win makes a team eligible for the playoffs at 5-4, whereas they would be highly unfavored against the team that forfeited were this game to be made up (and most likely end up at 4-5 and out of the playoffs). What is the incentive for this team to try and make the game up? Certainly not their fault that the other school district could not work out their problems in time for the originally scheduled game to be played!! Anybody else have any info/opinions on this?
From the Manual on IHSA site.
"IX. TOURNAMENT POLICIES A. Postponed Games: Interscholastic varsity football contests which have been tentatively postponed because one or both of the schools was not able to fulfill its contract should be rescheduled and a letter to that effect must be on file with the Executive Director no later than the conclusion of the 7th week of the season. 1) If the game cannot be played due to striking employees, every effort must be made to reschedule the game. 2) If a game cannot be rescheduled, the striking team which must forfeit will receive a loss on its record for that game. 3) If the game cannot be rescheduled, the team receiving the forfeit will accept the forfeit as a win, but that is the only game that will count for that week. 4) If a game cannot be played when both schools have striking employees and the game cannot be rescheduled, the game will not be considered a win or a loss"
It says "every effort must be made to make up the game", I'm not sure what that means in the real world...
"IX. TOURNAMENT POLICIES A. Postponed Games: Interscholastic varsity football contests which have been tentatively postponed because one or both of the schools was not able to fulfill its contract should be rescheduled and a letter to that effect must be on file with the Executive Director no later than the conclusion of the 7th week of the season. 1) If the game cannot be played due to striking employees, every effort must be made to reschedule the game. 2) If a game cannot be rescheduled, the striking team which must forfeit will receive a loss on its record for that game. 3) If the game cannot be rescheduled, the team receiving the forfeit will accept the forfeit as a win, but that is the only game that will count for that week. 4) If a game cannot be played when both schools have striking employees and the game cannot be rescheduled, the game will not be considered a win or a loss"
It says "every effort must be made to make up the game", I'm not sure what that means in the real world...
From the IHSA Manual:
"A minimum of eight (8) eleven (11)-man varsity games must be played by the conclusion of the ninth (9th) week of the season in order for a school to be considered for selection to a playoff berth. A maximum of nine (9) games may be counted toward the playoffs. A maximum of one (1) game per week may count toward the playoffs, unless exception has been granted by the Executive Director of the IHSA."
Not sure how missing a second game will impact ESL, but it's definitely going to become an issue at some point in time.
"A minimum of eight (8) eleven (11)-man varsity games must be played by the conclusion of the ninth (9th) week of the season in order for a school to be considered for selection to a playoff berth. A maximum of nine (9) games may be counted toward the playoffs. A maximum of one (1) game per week may count toward the playoffs, unless exception has been granted by the Executive Director of the IHSA."
Not sure how missing a second game will impact ESL, but it's definitely going to become an issue at some point in time.