Man, I'd love if we could somehow snag both of these guys from Cincinnati. They are two great coaches and both are also excellent recruiters. Hire Gran and let him revamp the entire offense and hire his own position coaches. Completely clean house on the offensive side of the ball, with the exception of Marrow of course. Gran can handle the OC and RB duties himself, freeing up room for Hinshaw as QB coach. Also keep in mind that Hinshaw did an excellent job at UT coaching wide receivers for one season as well. Maybe he could do both jobs here? That would free up an extra coaching spot for a ST coordinator. IMHO, this chain of events would be the best possible outcome we could have. I think Gran is precisely what UK needs and would have a very high chance of being successful. He's a proven commodity with experience and a history of excellence. We simply can't afford any more OJT with our coordinators. It is do or die time for Stoops.
Eddie Gran/Darin Hinshaw
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I doubt Stoops would let Chad Scott go. However, if he wanted to bring in two assistants he could simply not re-sign Coach Buh, make Eliot coach of all the linebackers, hire Gran as OC only, and Hinshaw as QB coach only.
However, I think it would really stink to lose Buh. He seems like a good guy and coach.
However, I think it would really stink to lose Buh. He seems like a good guy and coach.
Gran has coached WR's in the past. I don't see why he could not do it again. Therefore, Scott could stay, but Mainord would have to go.
I have no doubt Scott stays and other than Horton Hears A Fumble his RBs have been OK and he recruits well. Seems I recall Buh was on a one year contract so who knows there. I've said for weeks that Mainord will be the odd man out and I've seen nothing that changes my mind.
Probably correct & I don't disagree. However, Gran has really excelled coaching RB's over the years. Also, he has recruited South Florida well. Hinshaw is also from Florida & he was an excellent recruiter @ UT. Therefore, keeping Scott wouldn't be nearly as important, IMHO.
This would be a home run combo, hope it is true.
These two were my hope when Stoops first got here.
These two were my hope when Stoops first got here.
I really hope the Gran / Hinshaw combo happens. I wanted Gran last year. Runs the perfect offense for us- a good mix of pass & run. I love his 30 years coaching experience especially the 15 years in the SEC. Add in the fact he coached at FSU with Stoops its a no-brainer. Hinshaw has shown he can develop QB and both are good recruiters.
Add in the fact that he currently makes $350k at UC- $200k less than Dawson made this season. Should be able to easily offer him around $600k to come here!
I would love to see Craig Yeast as the WR coach. Hes a really good high school coach in Ohio and Im pretty sure he knows a little something about WR play
Add in the fact that he currently makes $350k at UC- $200k less than Dawson made this season. Should be able to easily offer him around $600k to come here!
I would love to see Craig Yeast as the WR coach. Hes a really good high school coach in Ohio and Im pretty sure he knows a little something about WR play
If it is gran will he want to bring in all his own people? him coaching rb and hinshaw coaching qb and yeast maybe coaching wr would be enough recruiting to replace mainord and Scott but I really like Scott as a recruiter. Picking up blitzes and fumbles needs help though so....
The blitz pickup for running backs is one of the hardest things to lean becasue you have to know so much about what the other team's packages feature and how they disguise them, then make split second decisions. I see NFL backs that can't pickup a blitz. Heck the best running back that ever lived, Jim Brown could not pick up a blitz.
Does that mean that Chad Scott is going to be let go too to make room for a QB coach? If Yeast does get hired as WR coach & if Gran is the new OC, that would mean that Gran would most likely be coaching the RB's & Scott would have to be let in order to bring in a QB coach. * Edit - [Gran did coach QB's 1 year as a GA, but I am not sure how much position coaching a GA does].* Gran has coached WR's & RB's. Somebody is going to have to be brought in to coach QB's, so if Yeast & Gran are brought in, I still that would likely require a 3rd staff change to get a QB coach. But, maybe not. Gran might feel comfortable coaching QB's. Time will tell...
*Edit - Gran DID coach LB's in 1990 & QB's in 1991, while serving as a Graduate Assistant, at Miami U.
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I don't like the idea of losing Chad Scott. He's a good coach and very solid and valuable recruiter.
If we get Gran, it won't bother me in the least if Chad Scott isn't retained to make room for another assistant. Gran is a tremendous RB coach and has been a Rivals.com Top 25 recruiter in the past. IMO, Gran would be an upgrade over Scott in both regards.
Gran OC/WR coach Hinshaw as QB coach.. Only two changes needed
It's hard to believe that Hinshaw wouldn't be given a shot at UC OC job. It would be a step up for him as OC vs WR coach at UK. I guess it would just depend on what he wants, if he's being considered for the WR spot here.
Theyd have to make this play. No way around it. Good news is Id imagine we could match Hinshaw's pay even if he was promoted. But would he accept a lateral move?
Would be a coup though, if we can get them both. And with the release of Mainord and Dawson, it sure looks like thats whats coming.
stoops is a good salesman as seen by our recruiting. if he can sell the pair on coming in and putting up good #'s for a couple years and then gran would probably get some hc'ing looks and either hinshaw move up when gran gets a hc'ing gig or he follows gran to the new gig with oc in his pocket. you'd have to sell the plan to get both i'd assume or as you guys have said.... he'd probably just take the uc oc job and go from there. the "talent" we have on O would have to be attractive to offensive minded coaches though. boom, jojo, cj, juice, baker, badet, bone, timmons.... i mean, there are things that a creative oc could look at with that group and see real potential. if they see any potential in barker at all then i'd say talent will not be a negative for us getting these guys.
The potential is there among the skill guys, although Barker is a wait and see in my opinion - seemed just as bad as PT at seeing the field. Hinshaw was recruiting Gunnar Hoak to UC, so maybe that could help from a potential standpoint. OL could very well be better next year with the addition of Tate Leavitt and George Asafo-Adjei coming along.
QB play is the big question! If Barker can see the field better, I think we could be very good next year on offense. If not, ur looking at another couple years to bring Gunnar Hoak along regardless of who gets the OC job. Hopefully that's enough to make the sale!!
I think youre right and I think thats almost surely the pitch (assuming we are pursuing both).
His family is rather tired of moving. Kids in/near HS age. Even at same salary, OC at UC positions DH better for future I think. Maybe even to follow TTville. He was in a good mood last night, whatever that says.