Eddie Gran!

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had a great first quarter against Southern miss, I think he checked out at halftime of that game, and has been busy counting his nose hairs. :(
 
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BigBlueCatNation

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It's not on Gran or Hinshaw. In reality, I don't really think it's on Stoops outside of the fact that everything falls on the head coach, either. It's on Schlarmann and Eliot. Unfortunately, it looks as though Stoops may be going down with them because he didn't fire them last year.
 

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It's not on Gran or Hinshaw. In reality, I don't really think it's on Stoops outside of the fact that everything falls on the head coach, either. It's on Schlarmann and Eliot. Unfortunately, it looks as though Stoops may be going down with them because he didn't fire them last year.
Yeah. As a head coach you have to fire people that don't get the job done. He's kept a few on his staff that should have been cut loose. Now his job is at stake.
 
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Yeah. As a head coach you have to fire people that don't get the job done. He's kept a few on his staff that should have been cut loose. Now his job is at stake.

You're right. Unfortunately, that's what you get when you hire a head coach with no experience. Whether right or wrong, he's just learning on the job
 
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It's not on Gran or Hinshaw. In reality, I don't really think it's on Stoops outside of the fact that everything falls on the head coach, either. It's on Schlarmann and Eliot. Unfortunately, it looks as though Stoops may be going down with them because he didn't fire them last year.

How can it be on Schlarmann? He just got a raise :)
 

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It's not on Gran or Hinshaw. In reality, I don't really think it's on Stoops outside of the fact that everything falls on the head coach, either. It's on Schlarmann and Eliot. Unfortunately, it looks as though Stoops may be going down with them because he didn't fire them last year.

Probably. Stoops very first mistake as UK head coach was not retaining Summers as OL coach. Hindsight, yes, but that guy had proven track record of coaching up and molding individuals into units. IMO.
 

Woodrow24

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He has use UK players here. Was predictable. It's going to get worse for him and not his fault.
I'm afraid your right buddy. I know your a knowledgeable poster. What do you think they should try to do from this point? I can't think of anything besides find a new coach at the end of the season
 
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Could Gran be a better motivator, delegator and organizer than Stoops? Could Gran utilize the talent Stoops has recruited to build his own recruiting momentum with a new staff under him?
 

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Haha sounds like the same stuff people were saying about Neal Brown and Shannon Dawson. Yet the later beat the hell out of us last week and the other almost beat Clemson at Clemson today.
 

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Nobody ever mentions Jimmy Brumbaugh. Tell me what he's done to stay this many years at UK?

Our D-Line is pathetic every year under him.
 
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As of right now I believe he is a better fit than Dawson. We've yet to see any improvements by him and Hinshaw in coaching Barker. Last week's 4 TDs were based on Barker's talents. After the defenses adjusted, Barker has been unable to do anything and has 6 turnovers to 0 TDs. Coaching is what carries a QB through adjustments.
 

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Don't know why Mike Summers is idolized on this board? I realize he had some good lines at Louisville. However, his time at UK was very underwhelming. The OL under his watch was terrible. Heggins, had less to work with and had more success IMO.
 

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I'm afraid your right buddy. I know your a knowledgeable poster. What do you think they should try to do from this point? I can't think of anything besides find a new coach at the end of the season
  • If we don't want to break with tradition we should fire our coach and hire a brand new one like we have never tried that before. Lets see: Joker Phillips, Brooks, Guy Morris, Hal Mumme, Jerry Claiborne, John Ray, Charlie Bradshaw, Curcci, Blanton Colliure.
  • Another possibility would be to give this staff some more time to get established . That would give our coaches more experience and not have to pay a coach to not coach. Just a thought.
 
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Woodrow24

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  • If we don't want to break with tradition we should fire our coach and hire a brand new one like we have never tried that before. Lets see: Joker Phillips, Brooks, Guy Morris, Hal Mumme, Jerry Claiborne, John Ray, Charlie Bradshaw, Curcci, Blanton Colliure.
  • Another possibility would be to give this staff some more time to get established . That would give our coaches more experience and not have to pay a coach to not coach. Just a thought.
How much more time do you suggest for them to get established????
 

Katwatcher

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How much more time do you suggest for them to get established????
Ten years should do it, no more than that. I think every coach on staff have been recommended by someone thats been in football and pretty much knowledgeable.
Its going to take some time, more than any other SEC team. UK is a special case in that they are a traditional Basketball School playing in the toughest traditional football conference.
Kentucky has fewer high schools that play football than any other SEC conference school. Difficult to recruit and thats not going to change
You can turn that around using Basketball instead of football and you would have the opposite effect.
All the other SEC schools care less about basketball thus the one sided wins and losses by Kentucky over the rest of the league.

The reason that most SEC coaches are highly recommended is that they stepped into an established program unlike UK., for example Alabama LSU, Georgia, Tenn., Texas A&M etc.
 

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Ten years should do it, no more than that. I think every coach on staff have been recommended by someone thats been in football and pretty much knowledgeable.
Its going to take some time, more than any other SEC team. UK is a special case in that they are a traditional Basketball School playing in the toughest traditional football conference.
Kentucky has fewer high schools that play football than any other SEC conference school. Difficult to recruit and thats not going to change
You can turn that around using Basketball instead of football and you would have the opposite effect.
All the other SEC schools care less about basketball thus the one sided wins and losses by Kentucky over the rest of the league.

The reason that most SEC coaches are highly recommended is that they stepped into an established program unlike UK., for example Alabama LSU, Georgia, Tenn., Texas A&M etc.
Ten years?! Lol I'll have to respectfully disagree with you.
 

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Ten years should do it, no more than that. I think every coach on staff have been recommended by someone thats been in football and pretty much knowledgeable.
Its going to take some time, more than any other SEC team. UK is a special case in that they are a traditional Basketball School playing in the toughest traditional football conference.
Kentucky has fewer high schools that play football than any other SEC conference school. Difficult to recruit and thats not going to change
You can turn that around using Basketball instead of football and you would have the opposite effect.
All the other SEC schools care less about basketball thus the one sided wins and losses by Kentucky over the rest of the league.

The reason that most SEC coaches are highly recommended is that they stepped into an established program unlike UK., for example Alabama LSU, Georgia, Tenn., Texas A&M etc.
thats rather interestng. what programs in the last 30 years took 10 years to become successful?
 

Katwatcher

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thats rather interestng. what programs in the last 30 years took 10 years to become successful?
What do you consider successful.? Its taken UK more than 10 years and still not there. I would add Indiana, Kansas, Colorado, UAB, .Wyoming, Baylor, TCU.
 

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What do you consider successful.? Its taken UK more than 10 years and still not there. I would add Indiana, Kansas, Colorado, UAB, .Wyoming, Baylor, TCU.
you are suggestng we should give the coach 10 years, so I'm asking you to show an example where that worked somewhere else. then you showed examples of where it hadn't been tried. so I guess it's never worked anywhere
 

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Haha sounds like the same stuff people were saying about Neal Brown and Shannon Dawson. Yet the later beat the hell out of us last week and the other almost beat Clemson at Clemson today.
Simple. The head coach is trash