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stpaulcat

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...would be the least one could say if NU went into the new (how many hundred million dollar?) stadium with a mediocre or failing program. The reaction would be catastrophic. They now are rising to the occasion BIG TIME, great credit to NU for doing what is needed--or at least trying.
 
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...would be the least one could say if NU went into the new (how many hundred million dollar?) stadium with a mediocre or failing program. The reaction would be catastrophic. They now are arising to the occasion BIG TIME, great credit to NU for doing what is needed--or at least trying.
I applaud the effort; however, we are still razor close. What if Chiles isn't good? What if Komolafe gets hurt? And so on.

Sorry, decades of scarring.
 

JustGary

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I don’t think one season would make things embarrassing, if we turned out mediocre this year. What would be is if the program took a step back (not getting to a bowl) after going after a high profile OC and a QB that has played in the Big Ten who has shown good accuracy and good running ability.

I feel slightly disappointed in the portal results but that could change or maybe we have the pieces we need. In any case, I don’t think the stadium experience will be embarrassing, regardless of the team. It was a much needed upgrade.
 

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There’s the program, and then there are current results on the field. Very different things. The program has seen remarkable change in a very short time: incredible capital investments in facilities, coaching hires, admissions changes, athletic leadership, etc. The results on the field have been mixed, but I can understand the reasons. Our program is quite different from most (mainly in recruiting).
 
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CatManTrue

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I think fans like @No Chores should use a large chunk of their net worth to donate to NU’s NIL and ensure we get better players. That would help make it less embarrassing.
 

CatManTrue

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Why would you single out one poster on here like this? You do you but don't call out a true fan.
Or am I missing something here?
He’s mentioned the large inheritance his heirs will receive in the past. Why not spend $100K of it to bring a difference maker and enjoy it in a new way?
 

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You make it sound as though embarrassing is inevitable. My point was the opposite.
I see what you’re saying in the post, but NGL you made it confusing. Requires a careful read to not get the opposite meaning,
 

stpaulcat

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I see what you’re saying in the post, but NGL you made it confusing. Requires a careful read to not get the opposite meaning,
Have you ever read Tolstoy, or any of the 19th Century Russian writers for that matter? Convoluted (or confusing) was part of the point.
 

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Have you ever read Tolstoy, or any of the 19th Century Russian writers for that matter? Convoluted (or confusing) was part of the point.
When Gregor Samsa woke up one morning from unsettling dreams, he found himself changed in his bed into a monstrous vermin.
 

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Not going to change overnight. They just hired Kelly a weeks before portal opened. It will pay off very soon. Don’t be so impatient.

they aren’t going to hire Kelly if they weren’t willing to be very competitive in portal. I doubt Kelly would have signed without that commitment.

Chill out.
It took my uncle (Earle Bruce) 4 years to turn Iowa State around. They were the Big 8's version of the 70's NU. NU now has a name that will get kids interested, at least on the offensive side of the ball. Kelly should bring a new dynamic look to the offense, that will get kids thinking about NU.
 

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...would be the least one could say if NU went into the new (how many hundred million dollar?) stadium with a mediocre or failing program. The reaction would be catastrophic. They now are rising to the occasion BIG TIME, great credit to NU for doing what is needed--or at least trying.
Um embarrassing was the word used to describe our last stadium.
 
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stpaulcat

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Um embarrassing was the word used to describe our last stadium.
In no way am I suggesting NU should not have built this stadium. However, the old stadium (except for the innards) was very cool.
we just didn't have the team to justify keeping it. This upgrade has been necessary to become a serious football program, which they have been on the cusp of now for many years, and NU is now following up as we see with coaching and player upgrades to justify the the new stadium. Good on NU.
 
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In no way am I suggesting NU should not have built this stadium. However, the old stadium (except for the innards) was very cool.
we just didn't have the team to justify keeping it. This upgrade has been necessary to become a serious football program, which they have been on the cusp of now for many years, and NU is now following up as we see with coaching and player upgrades to justify the the new stadium. Good on NU.

In no way am I suggesting NU should not have built this stadium. However, the old stadium (except for the innards) was very cool.
we just didn't have the team to justify keeping it. This upgrade has been necessary to become a serious football program, which they have been on the cusp of now for many years, and NU is now following up as we see with coaching and player upgrades to justify the the new stadium. Good on NU.
Place was a dump.
 

AdamOnFirst

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A dump, yes, but for an old-timey football stadium, it had character, the west stands that is. I would have voted for duplicating that on the east, but the old concrete structure was too restrictive to renovate as a modern functioning stadium.
Disagree. It had a couple okay towers, nothing else wasn’t ****
 

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It took my uncle (Earle Bruce) 4 years to turn Iowa State around. They were the Big 8's version of the 70's NU. NU now has a name that will get kids interested, at least on the offensive side of the ball. Kelly should bring a new dynamic look to the offense, that will get kids thinking about NU.
The early 70's at NU were good with Agassi as HC. It took a couple years but it really went down hill after Pont was hired and I believe it was the 80's that were really atrocious (I was fortunate in that I was not in an area where I could watch any of the 80s NU Football
 

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The early 70's at NU were good with Agassi as HC. It took a couple years but it really went down hill after Pont was hired and I believe it was the 80's that were really atrocious (I was fortunate in that I was not in an area where I could watch any of the 80s NU Football
I thought NU started to collapse at the end of the 70's .
 

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I thought NU started to collapse at the end of the 70's .
I was just pointing out that the beginning of the 70's was pretty good so 70's was too much of a blanket statement. Couple second place finishes in BIG. The operative words were "started" and "end of 70s". And the real depths were during the 80s, We were descent through about 73 and then the slide to infamy started mid 70s. But the streak (34 straight losses I think) was in 80s So if you wanted to point to the really bad NU program needing resurrection it would be the 80's and not necessarily the 70's
 

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I was a freshman in fall of '74 and the campus buzz was that we weren't very good. My first day on campus was a bad loss to ND. We won 3 games. By my junior year, '76 we just weren't winning and '77 was horrible. I remember a conversation I had with one of the better players about why the collapse and he said we were still recruiting the traditional NU types but the rest of the BIG10 was bringing in athletes and we didn't have enough athletes to compete for 60 minutes.
 
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I was a freshman in fall of '74 and the campus buzz was that we weren't very good. My first day on campus was a bad loss to ND. We won 3 games. By my junior year, '76 we just weren't winning and '77 was horrible. I remember a conversation I had with one of the better players about why the collapse and he said we were still recruiting the traditional NU types but the rest of the BIG10 was bringing in athletes and we didn't have enough athletes to compete for 60 minutes.
Strotz was terrible, He wanted to force us out of the BIG and Pont was a tool to accomplish it, first as HC and then as HC and AD. There was no institutional support and that is why Aggasi felt he had to leave, Was just pointing out that the 70's had 2 phases. First part good and the other the beginning of the end, Late 70s and most of the 80s were really bad.
 
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I thought NU started to collapse at the end of the 70's
The early 70's at NU were good with Agassi as HC. It took a couple years but it really went down hill after Pont was hired and I believe it was the 80's that were really atrocious (I was fortunate in that I was not in an area where I could watch any of the 80s NU Football
As I mentioned in another thread, there was a stretch when we were 3-65 which was mid-Sept '76 to the end of the streak in mid-Sept '82.
 

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I was a freshman in fall of '74 and the campus buzz was that we weren't very good. My first day on campus was a bad loss to ND. We won 3 games. By my junior year, '76 we just weren't winning and '77 was horrible. I remember a conversation I had with one of the better players about why the collapse and he said we were still recruiting the traditional NU types but the rest of the BIG10 was bringing in athletes and we didn't have enough athletes to compete for 60 minutes.
Me too. Same experience. Went to the ND game, 50,000+ plus in Dyche, an embarrassing experience. My Senior year, new coach Rick Venturi came to talk to the residents of Hinman House, seemed like a great guy but man what a disaster of a head coach. Fortunately I graduated and missed the worst of the Dark Ages. I came back for grad school in '82 and witnessed the streak breaking win over NIU.
 
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Me too. Same experience. Went to the ND game, 50,000+ plus in Dyche, an embarrassing experience. My Senior year, new coach Rick Venturi came to talk to the residents of Hinman House, seemed like a great guy but man what a disaster of a head coach. Fortunately I graduated and missed the worst of the Dark Ages. I came back for grad school in '82 and witnessed the streak breaking win over NIU.
I graduated in 73 and came back for some games in the Fall before I went down to AZ for grad school (also named Wildcats) so I missed 74 and beyond Are you sure Venturi was that bad a HC or was it the total lack of support from NU? Strotz was still president and Pont AD and Strotz wanted NU out of the BIG and Pont was his tool and between them they pretty much destroyed the program, His last two years of HC (preceding Venturi) were both 1-10. Don't imagine that there was a whole lot left after Pont left the position,

He did serve as asst HC for a lot of years in the pros and actually got tag of HC (interem ) for both the Colts and Saints. Poor record there also but both were pretty much disasters when he was given the tag.
 
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prez77

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Me too. Same experience. Went to the ND game, 50,000+ plus in Dyche, an embarrassing experience. My Senior year, new coach Rick Venturi came to talk to the residents of Hinman House, seemed like a great guy but man what a disaster of a head coach. Fortunately I graduated and missed the worst of the Dark Ages. I came back for grad school in '82 and witnessed the streak breaking win over NIU.
Me too. Came back for grad school 80-84. Was listening to the NIU game on the radio and said to my roommate - OMG - we might win so we hustled over to Dyche for the third quarter.
 

prez77

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I graduated in 73 and came back for some games in the Fall before I went down to AZ for grad school (also named Wildcats) so I missed 74 and beyond Are you sure Venturi was that bad a HC or was it the total lack of support from NU? Strotz was still president and Pont AD and Strotz wanted NU out of the BIG and Pont was his tool and between them they pretty much destroyed the program, His last two years of HC (preceding Venturi) were both 1-10. Don't imagine that there was a whole lot left after Pont left the position,

He did serve as asst HC for a lot of years in the pros and actually got tag of HC (interem ) for both the Colts and Saints. Poor record there also but both were pretty much disasters when he was given the tag.
Hard so say on Venturi exactly. He said he wanted to change the offense but he didn't/couldn't?? recruit the talent that was needed. Was on the hunt for a mobile QB and more speed but it didn't happen. There were some racial issues going on too in the program. He eventually ended up in the NFL as a coordinator for many years so some thought he had talent.
 
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I started at NU in the fall of '75. I've seen a lifetime's worth of horrific coaching decisions over the years. Pont, Venturi, Peay, and others. I thought all of them were personally very engaging. But the fact that Venturi was a coach in the League is most certainly not an indication that he was a good coach, for us or elsewhere... see JON.
 
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I started at NU in the fall of '75. I've seen a lifetime's worth of horrific coaching decisions over the years. Pont, Venturi, Peay, and others. I thought all of them were personally very engaging. But the fact that Venturi was a coach in the League is most certainly not an indication that he was a good coach, for us or elsewhere... see JON.
I was there ‘71-‘75 when NU had a decent program under Alex Agase until he left in ‘72 for his alma mater Purdue. (Alex was born and raised in Evanston.) Then NU Pres. Strotz was not a fan of sports and brought in John Pont and the program began its long slide until Gary Barnett and Randy Walker brought it back to life. I’m pretty sure we had the worst record in nation during the period between post-Alex and pre-Barney. Pretty brutal.
 

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I was there ‘71-‘75 when NU had a decent program under Alex Agase until he left in ‘72 for his alma mater Purdue. (Alex was born and raised in Evanston.) Then NU Pres. Strotz was not a fan of sports and brought in John Pont and the program began its long slide until Gary Barnett and Randy Walker brought it back to life. I’m pretty sure we had the worst record in nation during the period between post-Alex and pre-Barney. Pretty brutal.
The French would say that Pont was a bridge from relevance to the Dark Ages
 

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The French would say that Pont was a bridge from relevance to the Dark Ages
Pont was the fall guy. He was actually a really nice man. Pont started coaching at Miami of Ohio and is in the HOF of both Miami and Indiana. He was NCAA Coach of the Year in 1967 when he won the Big Ten title at Indiana (finishing 9-1 in the regular season) and was the first coach to take Indiana to the Rose Bowl. Strotz was the actual evil emperor while Pont was his puppet. Strotz didn’t think sports was important and saw it only as a revenue source. He hired Pont as both athletic director and head coach so that he didn’t have to pay two people. He then forced Pont to sell his home games with Ohio State and Michigan to those schools to fund the athletic department. Strotz gave Pont no money to recruit or for facilities or assistant coaches. Northwestern kept playing high powered out of conference away games because they paid better. Pont reportedly fired himself as head coach to bring in Venturi to try and salvage the program but truth was that Pont saw a loop hole in his contract that allowed him to quit as coach but remain as AD. Venturi had no previous head coaching experience and only 4 years as an assistant with Purdue and Illinois. He was not even ever an offensive or defensive coordinator but did play for NU under Agase. Pont could get Venturi and pay him the same as an assistant coach. With a shoe-string budget, no facilities, no experience, and an out of conference schedule that was horrendous, Venturi was set up to fail and become the villain. The only reason both Pont and Venturi were fired was because the racial scandal was making the University look bad and hindering alumni donations. That is why Strotz hired Dennis Green, not to save the football program but to regain lost university donations. The fact that Green was a half decent coach was just an unexpected result. Green was promised that the University would give him a bigger budget with better facilities. When Strotz wouldn’t do so, Green abruptly left and never looked back.
 
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Pont was the fall guy. He was actually a really nice man. Pont started coaching at Miami of Ohio and is in the HOF of both Miami and Indiana. He was NCAA Coach of the Year in 1967 when he won the Big Ten title at Indiana (finishing 9-1 in the regular season) and was the first coach to take Indiana to the Rose Bowl. Strotz was the actual evil emperor while Pont was his puppet. Strotz didn’t think sports was important and saw it only as a revenue source. He hired Pont as both athletic director and head coach so that he didn’t have to pay two people. He then forced Pont to sell his home games with Ohio State and Michigan to those schools to fund the athletic department. Strotz gave Pont no money to recruit or for facilities or assistant coaches. Northwestern kept playing high powered out of conference away games because they paid better. Pont reportedly fired himself as head coach to bring in Venturi to try and salvage the program but truth was that Pont saw a loop hole in his contract that allowed him to quit as coach but remain as AD. Venturi had no previous head coaching experience and only 4 years as an assistant with Purdue and Illinois. He was not even ever an offensive or defensive coordinator but did play for NU under Agase. Pont could get Venturi and pay him the same as an assistant coach. With a shoe-string budget, no facilities, no experience, and an out of conference schedule that was horrendous, Venturi was set up to fail and become the villain. The only reason both Pont and Venturi were fired was because the racial scandal was making the University look bad and hindering alumni donations. That is why Strotz hired Dennis Green, not to save the football program but to regain lost university donations. The fact that Green was a half decent coach was just an unexpected result. Green was promised that the University would give him a bigger budget with better facilities. When Strotz wouldn’t do so, Green abruptly left and never looked back.
I was there from 68-73. Top seasons were 70 and 71. Agase was a very good coach, Campus protests led to Rocky Miller leaving and after 15 months Strotz was elevated to President in 1970 NU had always been tight witht he budget (that is how they lost Parsegian) but nothing compared to what Strotz did. Strotz was the one that forced out Agase with the limited (read that non existent) support for the program a year after he was promoted,

Much of Pont's success at Indiana was with players brought in by previous coach and after that glorious season it slid back down. That said he was successful there, Not sure if he realized how bad Strotz was or how much he was a willing participant but he was a big part of the destruction of the FB He did not take over the AD position till a couple years after he started as Head FB Coach(but while he was still HC). Unfortunately BB also suffered ( but now where near as badly) Don't remember why Glass left but he was there my first year and was a reasonably good HC