End of the Patrick Towels Era

[brianpoe]

Don't think I could disagree more. Ftr I went back and rewatched the play I described earlier. Not as bad a throw as I originally thought but still not a play I would consider a bad drop.

I'm not talking about one pass. People thought the UF pass, the AU pass, the EKU passes all had to be incredible plays, but they really were not. And many more. Much of this is the PT hate blindness

I'm not going to sugar coat these. These guys must catch catchable balls. One or two is understandable, one or two a game..not.

Baker's first 3 drops resulted in 3 TDs immediately after in huge games.

We have dropped easy catches and not stepped up to make great ones.

In fact I can name only 2 off the top of my head - Bakers one hander on the sideline and Bidets diving TD.


We need the change at QB but wr's must get better, Barkers first pass hit him in the chest for pete's sake!

 

[GoCatsForever2k15]

I'm not talking about one pass. People thought the UF pass, the AU pass, the EKU passes all had to be incredible plays, but they really were not. And many more. Much of this is the PT hate blindness

I'm not going to sugar coat these. These guys must catch catchable balls. One or two is understandable, one or two a game..not.

Baker's first 3 drops resulted in 3 TDs immediately after in huge games.

We have dropped easy catches and not stepped up to make great ones.

In fact I can name only 2 off the top of my head - Bakers one hander on the sideline and Bidets diving TD.


We need the change at QB but wr's must get better, Barkers first pass hit him in the chest for pete's sake!

Doesn't really merit a response. Have a great day buddy

 

[brianpoe]

Doesn't really merit a response. Have a great day buddy

We have back to back bball games this week brother, we usually agree on those.

 

[Gabewcat]

For all the PT critics- He is going to make you all look bad next year when he transfers to a passing school that has anOline that can protect him and receivers that will not drop balls. He will follow what Maxwell Smith has done this year at San Diego State. Remember he is a 5th year senior and can transfer to any D-1 school and you all will still be stuck with a horroble Oline that doesn;t block and more awful play calling from Shannon Dawson.

 

[GoCatsForever2k15]

For all the PT critics- He is going to make you all look bad next year when he transfers to a passing school that has anOline that can protect him and receivers that will not drop balls. He will follow what Maxwell Smith has done this year at San Diego State. Remember he is a 5th year senior and can transfer to any D-1 school and you all will still be stuck with a horroble Oline that doesn;t block and more awful play calling from Shannon Dawson.

No doubt hes playing behind an awful line with receivers who make their fair share of bad drops. But hes not helping matters, at all. Its time to admit we're not losing DESPITE PT....we're losing, in small part, because of him. (along with every other position group).

 

[brianpoe]

For all the PT critics- He is going to make you all look bad next year when he transfers to a passing school that has anOline that can protect him and receivers that will not drop balls. He will follow what Maxwell Smith has done this year at San Diego State. Remember he is a 5th year senior and can transfer to any D-1 school and you all will still be stuck with a horroble Oline that doesn;t block and more awful play calling from Shannon Dawson.

Assuming this program and these linemen havent pushed him over the edge. Only at UK can we destroy a 4 star home grown QB then crap all over him as a fanbase.

If he originally went to UGA he'd be a 1st rounder this year.

But he has lost it and needs to sit.

 

[FreeSafety36]

Assuming this program and these linemen havent pushed him over the edge. Only at UK can we destroy a 4 star home grown QB then crap all over him as a fanbase.

If he originally went to UGA he'd be a 1st rounder this year.

But he has lost it and needs to sit.

There's no school PT could have went to that could have turned him into a 1st round pick. I doubt there's even a school that could have made him a 4th round pick. He has the size, but he doesn't have the intellectual acuity to play the QB position at a high level. If he'd originally went to another p5 school, he'd likely never started.

He hasn't had much help here, we can all agree on that, but he's the primary source of his own detriment.

 

[brianpoe]

There's no school PT could have went to that could have turned him into a 1st round pick. I doubt there's even a school that could have made him a 4th round pick. He has the size, but he doesn't have the intellectual acuity to play the QB position at a high level. If he'd originally went to another p5 school, he'd likely never started.

He hasn't had much help here, we can all agree on that, but he's the primary source of his own detriment.

Totally disagree.

He has had 3 OC's here.

Terrible OLINE from day one.

And now we average 4 drops a game.

Kid was highly rated and has all the physical tools.

Had he been brought along slowly and coached up in ONE system, with a great oline, and great running game like UGA we would all be cussing him like we did when Harris chose Bama.

His deficiencies are pocket presence and operating under pressure. A great oline hides these.

Some of his accuracy issues come from rushing to due poor pass protection. Great wr's will make catches for a QB.

I used UGA as an example, great rb's, great oline, very good receivers would hide PT's faults while his physical traits would shine.

The experts are all over him now and he hadnt shown that much, just think if he was at UGA?

He has regressed with these staffs and teammates.

Just my opinion.

 

[GoCatsForever2k15]

There's no school PT could have went to that could have turned him into a 1st round pick. I doubt there's even a school that could have made him a 4th round pick. He has the size, but he doesn't have the intellectual acuity to play the QB position at a high level. If he'd originally went to another p5 school, he'd likely never started.

He hasn't had much help here, we can all agree on that, but he's the primary source of his own detriment.

Agreed.

The way you know that's not the case is that the only way any one can draw up a scenario where pat succeeds is when literally every other position on the field is manned by elite players.


That's not the makings of an elite QB.

 

[sluggercatfan]

All

Won't happen, We may score 10 on the Vandy D the coaches will be proud.

MS thinks he needs...gotta run that ball men

 

[brianpoe]

Agreed.

The way you know that's not the case is that the only way any one can draw up a scenario where pat succeeds is when literally every other position on the field is manned by elite players.


That's not the makings of an elite QB.

He does need good players around him.

I dont think he is elite because i agree with what you guys are saying.

My take is, that those flaws would be well hidden with better talent around him.

He would have time, make big time throws, wr's make great catches, great running game brings more defenders in the box, etc.

He could shine.

Now would an NFL team get a surprise when he shows up to play for a ****** team with a bad oline?

Yep.

 

[FreeSafety36]

Agreed.

The way you know that's not the case is that the only way any one can draw up a scenario where pat succeeds is when literally every other position on the field is manned by elite players.


That's not the makings of an elite QB.

Exactly. I can't remember how many times I had that same conversation with some of my fellow Bills fans regarding JP Losman. It was always the line's fault, the receivers' fault, the backs' fault, the OC's fault...when it came down to it, JP was just a bad QB. PT actually reminds me of him quite a bit- the poor accuracy, best pass is the deep ball, shoddy footwork, no touch on his throws, holds the ball too long, stares down his target, feels phantom pressure...

The only reason a guy would need everyone around him to be an all-star is that he's not good enough to pick up the slack.

 

[Real Deal 2]

Give me a break. This guy has had 3 years to win some games to make other players better to be a damn leader. I don't care if he is a special player or a player that is 4 star. He has not made the plays or done things to make players around him better. Players are tired of watching film and seeing the same players out there making mistake after mistake. I mean the kid does not make winning plays, he is not a RS frosh. He is a 4th year Jr. It is time, don't know anything about Barker and what he can do. Maybe they can incorporate some run plays for him. The problem I have is not the PT throw from the far hash that would make Peyton Manning blush, he has the arm. My problem is the 1 read, the run out of pocket, the terrible body language, watching teammates last week against UT, they don't rally around the guy.

I would say of all the SEC teams, Vandy and Fla with Harris have a better QB.

Mark Stoops is about to let this thing get away from him, he is teetering. He cannot afford to lose the team over not playing people who deserve to play. He has bent over with this QB, I mean 3 years. Mark is a smart guy, he is also a guy hoping these kids reach their potential, he has given a long leash to PT and it has cost him a lot of guys on the team, no way around it. I think they were contemplating this a couple of weeks ago but Barker got hurt, heard this. I think Mark Stoops knows that when you make the switch that for all intents and purposes that a switch will mean PT is done. This is why he is going extra mile. He should have done it during AU game because PT should have made some plays to win that game.

It is time for a shakeup, Barker may be a stiff and can't play, guys on team don't care, they are tired of same mistakes showing up on film with PT and no penalty. Mark has tried to give PT this and he knows deep down once this switch takes place it is all over unless Barker gets hurt or PT just has major shake up.

You have to do something now, this about to get out of control for Mark, one of those trajectories that kill you. He has to be assertive and take control. Dawson is terrible and that is on Mark. That hire of a guy that has never called plays is a mistake.

This game next week is make or break for Mark, the most important game of his career. He may not get to 6 wins next year with that road schedule, he has to beat Charlotte and Vandy and then play lights out loose with house money against UL. He has to beat Vandy or I say he will not make it at UK. I am a Stoops supporter to no end, he is recruiting talent but he has to beat Vandy.

The freefall last half of last season and the way they have struggled, I mean the guy everyone on here is touting as some great player, an NFL type, he couldn't make one play against UF or play better in AU game. I mean he did have the drops but almost every team does.
He just does not make players around him better, those drops turn into spirited after catch runs or hold the DL an extra second.

Mark

 

[ukfit]

Really? PTSD?

He is just not that good. He could have 5 minutes in the pocket, and it doesn't matter. His accuracy is suspect. Thats the real problem. Oline is just an excuse.

His ACCURACY is the problem, correct. why cant the coaches see that?

 

[UK90]

If he originally went to UGA he'd be a 1st rounder this year.

I don't know what you've been watching, but based on what I've been watching this strikes me as an utterly insane statement.

You know, it takes more than being big and strong with a powerful arm to be 1st round draft pick, and Patrick is woefully lacking in the other stuff. He does not throw with anything close to the type of accuracy and consistency needed to be an NFL QB. And, frankly, he doesn't seem to have the sort quick thinking decision-making ability needed for the pro level either. If he'd gone to one of the big power programs, I don't think he'd even be starting, much less a "first rounder this year."

And the scapegoating of the OL is overblown too. Truth is lately he's been making bad reads and throwing awful passes even on the plays when he gets great protection. The OL wasn't his problem today, his main problem today was himself.

 

[Real Deal 2]

Just watching Bama and LSU, guess what true frosh dropped big 3rd down throw by Coker and Bama, LSU had a drop or 2.

On here it seems like we are the only team with dropped passes, PT is always victim of drops. He has had his fair share and really too many Baker and other guys. Just do not do enough to win games at this position.
IMO

 

[Gabewcat]

Real, Deal: It is good to hear from you. We are on opposite sides about PT, but PT will transfer because he wants to play in a true air raid system and he will blossom next year. I agree with you that his time at UK has ended but mark my words next time a QB phenom from Kentucky comes around he will not come here until we get linemen that can block and keeping guys like Dawson and Scharlman on the staff will haunt Stoops forever.

 

[brianpoe]

I don't know what you've been watching, but based on what I've been watching this strikes me as an utterly insane statement.

You know, it takes more than being big and strong with a powerful arm to be 1st round draft pick, and Patrick appears to woefully lacking in the other stuff. He does not throw with anything close to the type of accuracy and consistency needed to be an NFL QB. And, frankly, he doesn't seem to have the sort quick thinking decision-making ability needed for the pro level either. If he'd gone to one of the big power programs, I doubt he'd even be starting, much less a "first rounder this year."

And the scapegoating of the OL is overblown too. Truth is lately he's been making bad reads and throwing awful passes even on the plays when he gets great protection. The OL wasn't his problem today, his problem today was himself.

Just watching Bama and LSU, guess what true frosh dropped big 3rd down throw by Coker and Bama, LSU had a drop or 2.

On here it seems like we are the only team with dropped passes, PT is always victim of drops. He has had his fair share and really too many Baker and other guys. Just do not do enough to win games at this position.
IMO

Its all in the mindset.

You guys havent like PT for awhile.

You want to look right.

So you you say the oline isnt that bad.

4-5 drops per game isnt that bad.


Well Im sorry they both suck, the oline sucks worse than any SEC team unit in awhile.

The drops are ridiculous, look at Drew's first pass.

I guarantee you the first time he is sacked holding the ball too long you guys will be all over the oline.

It's human nature.




But I still hold to my belief, that had PT gone to UGA with same system for 4 years he would not be this frazzled.

And with that line and running game and those wr's his faults would be hidden much more.

I'm not saying he would become elite.

My point is the gurus love him now and for what? Potential.

If he could hide these faults we all know he has he would skyrocket.


You guys may disagree but it is not beyond comprehension, and yes many strong armed QBs have been taken in round one and were not great QBs, you know this.

 

[Kai Slater]

That is all. (sheeeew weeee that was a long year and a half of bad football)

It's the end of an era---the Patrick Towels era

 

[catfando]

Time to start benching wr's for drops as well.

Easy to drop passes when they're thrown behind, above and below you. Towles couldn't hit water if he was standing in the ocean.

 

[brianpoe]

It's the end of an era---the Patrick Towels era

Great now maybe people will stop looking stupid spelling his name that way...

 

[brianpoe]

Easy to drop passes when they're thrown behind, above and below you. Towles couldn't hit water if he was standing in the ocean.

Another mind made up blind fan. Barker hit the kid in the chest. How about that one?

The announcers were calling the drops just like they do every other game.

There are enough bad plays to criticize PT for than looking silly with dumb comments covering up poor wr play.

 

[UnfrozenCatfanLawyer]

Towles is not remotely accurate enough to thrive in an Air Raid system. Never has been. The arm's there, but he rarely hits a receiver in stride and struggles with decision making. The play calling and o-line haven't done him any favors, but after 4 years I tend to think he is what he is. He's tried his best, but it isn't working.

 

[catfando]

Probably didn't know what to do with a perfectly placed ball for a change. BPoe, I don't know what you're watching, But Towles has never shown what he's been given credit for. OLine??? I sat in Commonwealth many times and watched couch, Haskins, JLo, Woodson QB behind bad OL's. That was the running joke every year, "we got the best OL we've had in years". But they moved the offense and made good throws under heavy pressure. PT panics and loses focus and just doesn't have that accuracy desperately needed in this league. I have to disagree with ya. And I'm pretty sure you know me. We've taken in games before with friends.

 

[GoCatsForever2k15]

The drops are ridiculous, look at Drew's first pass.

Go back and watch that play. Absolutely, positively not a drop. A good thrown ball but the DB is already on Baker by the time the ball gets there. Looks like the ball hits DBs arm. If you're counting those as drops then you're expecting substantially more from our receivers than you've ever indicated you expect from our QB.

 

[stevepp]

Towles would be a good qb for Campbellsville or maybe Georgetown College. Guy just doesn't have it from the neck up to be in the SEC.

 

[brianpoe]

Go back and watch that play. Absolutely, positively not a drop. A good thrown ball but the DB is already on Baker by the time the ball gets there. Looks like the ball hits DBs arm. If you're counting those as drops then you're expecting substantially more from our receivers than you've ever indicated you expect from our QB.

I'll take your word for it, havent seen the replay.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Real, Deal: It is good to hear from you. We are on opposite sides about PT, but PT will transfer because he wants to play in a true air raid system and he will blossom next year. I agree with you that his time at UK has ended but mark my words next time a QB phenom from Kentucky comes around he will not come here until we get linemen that can block and keeping guys like Dawson and Scharlman on the staff will haunt Stoops forever.

LOL maybe at a I-AA school against dog crap teams. He won't at any real school.

 

[GoCatsForever2k15]

I'll take your word for it, havent seen the replay.

Not saying there aren't bad drops (indeed there were in this game)

 

[Xception]

It's not the lines fault when PT consistently throws behind , above or below his receivers and if he can't lead a college wr then how could he lead a pro speed receiver ? He can't because it's a lack of ability and apparently he didn't practice slants or post patterns growing up . Towles is just as bad as the o line and that's the problem .

Towles can run , has a strong arm and prototypical size for a qb but unfortunately there is more to being a good qb than that . He's not accurate and continually throws behind wr's , he gets down if things start going bad and can't handle pressure well . It's not the lines fault that they aren't good enough to hide Towles shortcomings , that's not their job anyway . Conversely is Towles good enough to compensate for poor blocking , no . Is it Towles fault for the poor blocking ? Put a good qb behind our line and they become better .

 

[brianpoe]

Probably didn't know what to do with a perfectly placed ball for a change. BPoe, I don't know what you're watching, But Towles has never shown what he's been given credit for. OLine??? I sat in Commonwealth many times and watched couch, Haskins, JLo, Woodson QB behind bad OL's. That was the running joke every year, "we got the best OL we've had in years". But they moved the offense and made good throws under heavy pressure. PT panics and loses focus and just doesn't have that accuracy desperately needed in this league. I have to disagree with ya. And I'm pretty sure you know me. We've taken in games before with friends.

Totally different offenses. Dink and dunk does not compare.

I have been in Commonwealth since the 70's seen a bunch of bad olines as well.


You guys are ignoring my words regarding his panicking ways and totally missing my point.

We agree with these issues.

My points, again, the lack of even decent oline play is part of the cause his accuracy is off AND he doesnt show well under pressure.

With time he can stay in the pocket and make some great ooh ahh throws.

That is what the scouts see.

You guys are going by watching UF, UT, UA and the likes kill him. His brain is fried on top of his already known discrepancies.


Slow down and TRY to see what someone else is saying.


He has issues.


But in my opinion, and you dont have to agree, but i think the scouts would super love him had he:

Been at a quality program with one OC and one system for 4 years.

A good oline that limited his under pressure moments which we all agree he doesnt handle well AND would prevent him from locking in on one receiver and rushing throws behind wr's.

Throws that are a little bit off might actually get caught by better wr's.

A great run game would bring 8 in the box, now he has to face 8 in the secondary.


My point is his major flaws would be very much limited in this type of setting along with the continuity over 4 years.

Now when he gets drafted by some suck NFL team it may not be pretty.


Why is this so hard to believe the possibility of such a scenario?

 

[bratboy]

We all can say its time to give Barker his fair shot but it will not happen in the Vandy game. The game is too meaningful to find out what Barker can do and the coaches will stick with PT.
I do believe that unless PT has a really big game vs Vandy(not likely) we will get a chance to see Barker against UofC.

PT is having a bad year but so is pretty much every other phase of the team as well. A very poor kicking game combined with way too many penalties + poor decisions on kick returns + an OL that is struggling to get it done in any aspect +receivers dropping passes and not fighting for balls + a defense that is still trying to tackle SEC teams above the waist + fumbled punt return + blown call to try to convert on fourth down when the game was close and our punter only had to punt it about 35yds (his max) + an OC a DC and a HC that's still trying to get on the same page + a very very young team + injuries to key players on both sides of the ball + A QB THAT IS STRUGGLING = LOSS TO JUST ABOUT ANYBODY WE FACE!!
It"s not all on PT by any stretch!! But as bad as it may seem now, if these players stick together and stick around for awhile we will win a bunch of football down the road!!

 

[BigBlueCatNation]

Since the LSU game last year, Towles is 4-11 as the starter (with two of those wins being nail-bitters against Lafayette and EKU). He's thrown 13 TDs and 17 interceptions. He's completed only 55 percent of his passes.

He's been given the opportunity. He's done nothing with it. He's regressed from where he was at the start of last season. No other major conference team in the country would give a QB with such poor results such a long leash - especially when they have a highly-recruited guy waiting in the wings.

If Stoops isn't careful, his loyalty/stubbornness is going to cause him to lose a huge segment of the fanbase. That's not something a guy with his win/loss record can afford at this point.

Could not have said it better myself. Towles seems like a good kid, but he's a VERY average QB. I've said this for weeks. You're right though, Stoops had better make some adjustments or he's lost the fanbase for his time here. He might already have for this year.

 

[CCSteamRoller_rivals]

I take no pleasure in seeing Patrick Towles struggle. He seems to love Kentucky and wants the team to do well. He has been given a difficult task and has struggled with it.

I'm also glad to see several staunch Patrick Towles defenders/cheerleaders finally saying "no mas" and agree it's time to give someone else a shot. What I don't see from them though, is apologies for absolutely attacking ANYONE who said something even SLIGHTLY negative about Towles up to this point. Not every Towles defender acted this way, but most did.

I've seen several posters make criticisms that I thought were fair and then watched 3 or 4 Towles defenders rip the poster apart and behave like children rather than have a well-reasoned dialogue. I've also seen some Towles haters make up or exaggerate shortcomings and not be able to recognize the good things that Towles has done. The Towles defenders were either unable or unwilling to distinguish the reasonable fans from the not so reasonable ones.

Kentucky fans should be able to say critical things about their favorite football team without having the self-appointed program defenders introduce the "you're not a real fan if you say something critical" or the "he's blameless" arguments because neither one is true. If someone is taking the time to post on this board, they are either trolls with no lives or big Kentucky (or SEC football) fans. They should be able to be critical and not be attacked.

 

[BigBlueCatNation]

Gotta be honest. The two times I saw him so far, I have not seen much arm strength. I just figured he might be a Dusty Bonner type but who wouldn't trade for Dusty Bonner right now.

I don't care what anyone says, you just cannot judge a kid after playing part of 2 games his entire college career. Give the guy some time. It's hard enough starting when you're young, much less when you've got to dig out of this type of hole.

 

[brianpoe]

Could not have said it better myself. Towles seems like a good kid, but he's a VERY average QB. I've said this for weeks. You're right though, Stoops had better make some adjustments or he's lost the fanbase for his time here. He might already have for this year.

We lose 2 out of the last 3 CMS will see how fast this fanbase can turn, honeymoon will definitely be over.

 

[BigBlueCatNation]

Give me a break. This guy has had 3 years to win some games to make other players better to be a damn leader. I don't care if he is a special player or a player that is 4 star. He has not made the plays or done things to make players around him better. Players are tired of watching film and seeing the same players out there making mistake after mistake. I mean the kid does not make winning plays, he is not a RS frosh. He is a 4th year Jr. It is time, don't know anything about Barker and what he can do. Maybe they can incorporate some run plays for him. The problem I have is not the PT throw from the far hash that would make Peyton Manning blush, he has the arm. My problem is the 1 read, the run out of pocket, the terrible body language, watching teammates last week against UT, they don't rally around the guy.

I would say of all the SEC teams, Vandy and Fla with Harris have a better QB.

Mark Stoops is about to let this thing get away from him, he is teetering. He cannot afford to lose the team over not playing people who deserve to play. He has bent over with this QB, I mean 3 years. Mark is a smart guy, he is also a guy hoping these kids reach their potential, he has given a long leash to PT and it has cost him a lot of guys on the team, no way around it. I think they were contemplating this a couple of weeks ago but Barker got hurt, heard this. I think Mark Stoops knows that when you make the switch that for all intents and purposes that a switch will mean PT is done. This is why he is going extra mile. He should have done it during AU game because PT should have made some plays to win that game.

It is time for a shakeup, Barker may be a stiff and can't play, guys on team don't care, they are tired of same mistakes showing up on film with PT and no penalty. Mark has tried to give PT this and he knows deep down once this switch takes place it is all over unless Barker gets hurt or PT just has major shake up.

You have to do something now, this about to get out of control for Mark, one of those trajectories that kill you. He has to be assertive and take control. Dawson is terrible and that is on Mark. That hire of a guy that has never called plays is a mistake.

This game next week is make or break for Mark, the most important game of his career. He may not get to 6 wins next year with that road schedule, he has to beat Charlotte and Vandy and then play lights out loose with house money against UL. He has to beat Vandy or I say he will not make it at UK. I am a Stoops supporter to no end, he is recruiting talent but he has to beat Vandy.

The freefall last half of last season and the way they have struggled, I mean the guy everyone on here is touting as some great player, an NFL type, he couldn't make one play against UF or play better in AU game. I mean he did have the drops but almost every team does.
He just does not make players around him better, those drops turn into spirited after catch runs or hold the DL an extra second.

Mark

Bravo sir, Bravo. You said exactly what I've been feeling for several weeks.

 

[Pike 96]

Totally different offenses. Dink and dunk does not compare.

I have been in Commonwealth since the 70's seen a bunch of bad olines as well.


You guys are ignoring my words regarding his panicking ways and totally missing my point.

We agree with these issues.

My points, again, the lack of even decent oline play is part of the cause his accuracy is off AND he doesnt show well under pressure.

With time he can stay in the pocket and make some great ooh ahh throws.

That is what the scouts see.

You guys are going by watching UF, UT, UA and the likes kill him. His brain is fried on top of his already known discrepancies.


Slow down and TRY to see what someone else is saying.


He has issues.


But in my opinion, and you dont have to agree, but i think the scouts would super love him had he:

Been at a quality program with one OC and one system for 4 years.

A good oline that limited his under pressure moments which we all agree he doesnt handle well AND would prevent him from locking in on one receiver and rushing throws behind wr's.

Throws that are a little bit off might actually get caught by better wr's.

A great run game would bring 8 in the box, now he has to face 8 in the secondary.


My point is his major flaws would be very much limited in this type of setting along with the continuity over 4 years.

Now when he gets drafted by some suck NFL team it may not be pretty.


Why is this so hard to believe the possibility of such a scenario?

Brian, I just couldn't disagree with you more. It doesn't matter how great the players are around Towles he just isn't a elite QB. You neglect the fact some of his biggest mistakes have come when he's had plenty of time to throw the ball. If he goes to UGA, etc. does that help with his accuracy? Dawson said it himself...you don't teach a player entering college to throw an accurate ball. It's there at that point or it isn't.

You talk about giving him the continuity with the same OC for 4 years....do you remember how Towles career has progressed? He came into college with MAJOR flaws in his passing motion. He played sparingly as a freshman and redshirted as a sophmore because he was last on the depth chart to Max Smith and Whitlow for Gods sake. The only reason he ever got on the field AT ALL was because he hired a QB guru to help him fix how he threw(which i give him major props for). But the tweaking has gone as far as it can...you don't teach accuracy, you don't teach processing info quickly...He wasn't going to be a first round draft pick or any draft pick in my opinion regardless of the talent around him.

The NFL will love tangibles like his...but at the end of the day that won't mean squat given his limitations

 

[Pike 96]

Real, Deal: It is good to hear from you. We are on opposite sides about PT, but PT will transfer because he wants to play in a true air raid system and he will blossom next year. I agree with you that his time at UK has ended but mark my words next time a QB phenom from Kentucky comes around he will not come here until we get linemen that can block and keeping guys like Dawson and Scharlman on the staff will haunt Stoops forever.

....You do realize that BARKER is from Kentucky to, don't you? And he was a LOT more highly recruited than Towles. And he came to UK when they went 2 and 10 and had a miserable Oline.

And I think you are dead wrong to think Towles goes to a "true air raid and blossoms". That is a crazy statement...air raid offenses are predicated on QB's throwing accurate balls and making quick decisions...not so much Towles staples...

 

[willievic]

Barker will be equally as bad as Towles- we need someone else

You may be right, but we won't know until he gets a chance! We do know that Towles is NOT the answer at the present.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!