Endgame discussion thread *SPOILERS*
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This is the kind of stupid response I always expect when someone says they don't like a certain female character. Scarlet Which is a female super hero and no one complains about her? Black Widow? Great character and looking forward to her solo project. There's plenty of female super heroes that cause no issues. It's the feminist agenda in the movie and with Brie that's unbearable. She had zero arch. It was just bash men, bash men, and bash men. The whole idea was that she was told no all the time by white men because she was a woman. She was always super strong and never had to learn how to deal with the power. Guess what lady, all the heroes were told no at one point! Cap was told he couldn't join the army and even at receiving the serum was still told no. Thor was told no he wasn't gonna be king. Iron Man was told no, we're a weapons company and that's that. Cap Marvel had zero arch and was emotionless. Brie Larson shows no emotions, period. She sucks and Captain Marvel sucked too.
That's not true.......... she had an arch. She was actually a bad guy that discovered who she was originally.(showed emotion with her friend and the daughter) .. was heart broken they were slaughtering innocent Skrulls (which she showed emotion) and broke the chains the Kree had on her. Tada....... thats an arch.
Brie larson shows no emotions.......... ROTFLMAO. watch her movie Room in which she won an oscar.
I dont care one bit for Brie Larson .... obviously she's stuck up rich hollywood person but the character Captain Marvel is a fine character.
If you didn't like Fat Thor and Professor Hulk McDab you must be a blast at parties.
And "time travel rules" be damned, Captain America saying "F*** it, I'm getting laid," was amazing. He basically pulled the Doc Brown "What the hell?" and more power to him.
The only bad thing about that movie is that it's all downhill from here. I have no idea how you keep this thing going at the level it is.
Finally, the fact that the entire plot to save the universe was driven by a rat happening to step on a button in a ****** van is hilarious.
And "time travel rules" be damned, Captain America saying "F*** it, I'm getting laid," was amazing. He basically pulled the Doc Brown "What the hell?" and more power to him.
The only bad thing about that movie is that it's all downhill from here. I have no idea how you keep this thing going at the level it is.
Finally, the fact that the entire plot to save the universe was driven by a rat happening to step on a button in a ****** van is hilarious.
Ya, its going to be impossible. Not sure how they reach the casual movie-goer (like me) with some of the more obscure comic characters out there now that Ironman, Cap and Hulk are likely done. Then again they slid in Howard the Duck for the final fight so I wouldn't put anything past Marvel at this point.
Wanted about 15 minutes more of the final battle. Just didn't feel as grand scale as in Infinity War.
Also wanted more Thanos alternate timeline story, more difficulty/suspense in getting the stones individually once they figured out time travel, and more story involving the snapped characters returning.
Somehow, it was 3 hours long and my only issues were that they left out a lot of great stuff. I realize why/how they couldn't/didn't, but a two-part finale would have had plenty of gas in the tank.
Also wanted more Thanos alternate timeline story, more difficulty/suspense in getting the stones individually once they figured out time travel, and more story involving the snapped characters returning.
Somehow, it was 3 hours long and my only issues were that they left out a lot of great stuff. I realize why/how they couldn't/didn't, but a two-part finale would have had plenty of gas in the tank.
Thinking back on the "Thor not getting revenge" take. All of them were out of practice or worse off other than Hawkeye/Ronin and going to battle with a younger badass pissed off Thanos.
Nebula gets beat up and called weak by younger self.
Cap gets choked out in NYC.
Thor is Fat.
Hulk is 50% pacifist.
Tony was domesticated and has a family.
Believe that was on purpose, they spent a ton of time driving home the effect of the snap on those characters and their humanity. They were all out of shape and scared.
Nebula gets beat up and called weak by younger self.
Cap gets choked out in NYC.
Thor is Fat.
Hulk is 50% pacifist.
Tony was domesticated and has a family.
Believe that was on purpose, they spent a ton of time driving home the effect of the snap on those characters and their humanity. They were all out of shape and scared.
Whoever caught the Howard the Duck cameo needs to work for the NSA or some ****
Took my son to see it Saturday - not a huge superhero guy myself but my son loved it and I really enjoyed the movie as well. Very entertaining and that's all I ask for in a Marvel movie.
More of a Godzilla guy myself, can't wait for that movie.
More of a Godzilla guy myself, can't wait for that movie.
Also, Paul Rudd killed it in Endgame. Hopefully we see more of Ant-Man.
Howard the Duck had a cameo at the end of GoG1 in the end of reel gag. Theres plenty of good Marvel characters to be developed. For ex) the FF. But their Dr. Dooms were pathetic. Galactus needs to be re-booted as well with Franklin Richard's. (Reed and Susan's son). A kids movie with Franklin and the PowerPack. (Different timelines. One is mid 40's the other a kid) She-Hulk (played by Angie Harmon). Much to my dismay, I actually like Ms. Marvel.(not to be confused with the several other Marvel's running around) They could develop SquirrelGirl for the laughs (if you thought Aquaman talking to fish was lame, how about the powers of a squirrel?), and a team-up of Deadpool and Spiderman ...there wouldn't be enough air in the theaters. (Did I just out myself as a fanboy?)
Agree with the Captain Marvel/Superman paradox. She's too powerful in the MCU and really imbalances the playing field once everyone returns from the dusty ending of Infinity War. Heroes need to have flaws or limitations for the audience to relate to them. While Captain Marvel (the movie) did a solid, above average introduction for the character into the MCU as Marvel has done just about every time with the already established characters, the Russo Brothers played it smart by limiting her time/contribution in the war against Thanos. She can lead the MCU in Phase 4 with Spider-Man, Black Panther, Doctor Strange and the Guardians. Endgame was about giving closure to the original 6. While it's not the best MCU film, I enjoyed Endgame's ability to tie up just about every storyline while paying homage to several previous films. Those of you fellow nerds like myself who have seen all 22 movies in this comic book universe were able to enjoy all of the nods and references of the films that helped get these iconic characters to this point in the saga.
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Even with an all powerful Captain Marvel they still barely were able to defeat Thanos and his army. I can't imagine them being successful at all without her. Especially with his ship bombarding everyone, including his own people (shows you how far he will go to accomplish his objective) and Hulk a no show after the snap.
Now going forward I don't know what kind of a threat they will have that will give her issues in defeating it. I never really followed the character when I read comics as a kid. Could she have a weakness like Superman and his kryptonite or is she going to just need another ridiculously powerful villain to contend with?
As some of us have already mentioned, they really need another big threat like the Beyonder or Galactus to build up to if they want to try and keep this formula going. Even that might not work this time with so many key characters possibly out of the picture. How many interesting movie worthy ones are left that the average person can identify with?
Most people aren't going to know characters like Beta Ray Bill (future Thor replacement?). Probably not the already teased about character Adam Warlock either (who played a part with the infinity stones in the comics). Who is going to care about a third version of the Fantastic Four in about a 15 year period (if a new movie is made in the next couple of years), but then it worked with Spider-Man?
They probably will have to just find replacements for some of the lost characters. Maybe the kid from Ironman 3 will take over for Tony Stark as the new Ironman. They already are trying to make Falcon the next Captain America which I am not sure how well that will work. He doesn't have any enhancements and relies on tech to do damage and fly around. Seems like he would fit in better as Ironman.
Of course there is the She-Hulk that can replace the Hulk, but female characters usually only work well in comic movies as secondary characters. Their best bet is to bring the X-men and Deadpool into the MCU since Disney now owns Fox as well. Pretty much the only other legit options are the Silver Surfer (Galactus storyline) and the characters from the Defenders. I guess they could do Howard the Duck if they want another comical character like Rocket Raccoon.
I just don't think the current characters that are left are good for anything other than some individual character movies. Maybe that is all they are going to do going forward (I haven't really looked that far in advance).
Even with an all powerful Captain Marvel they still barely were able to defeat Thanos and his army. I can't imagine them being successful at all without her. Especially with his ship bombarding everyone, including his own people (shows you how far he will go to accomplish his objective) and Hulk a no show after the snap.
Now going forward I don't know what kind of a threat they will have that will give her issues in defeating it. I never really followed the character when I read comics as a kid. Could she have a weakness like Superman and his kryptonite or is she going to just need another ridiculously powerful villain to contend with?
As some of us have already mentioned, they really need another big threat like the Beyonder or Galactus to build up to if they want to try and keep this formula going. Even that might not work this time with so many key characters possibly out of the picture. How many interesting movie worthy ones are left that the average person can identify with?
Most people aren't going to know characters like Beta Ray Bill (future Thor replacement?). Probably not the already teased about character Adam Warlock either (who played a part with the infinity stones in the comics). Who is going to care about a third version of the Fantastic Four in about a 15 year period (if a new movie is made in the next couple of years), but then it worked with Spider-Man?
They probably will have to just find replacements for some of the lost characters. Maybe the kid from Ironman 3 will take over for Tony Stark as the new Ironman. They already are trying to make Falcon the next Captain America which I am not sure how well that will work. He doesn't have any enhancements and relies on tech to do damage and fly around. Seems like he would fit in better as Ironman.
Of course there is the She-Hulk that can replace the Hulk, but female characters usually only work well in comic movies as secondary characters. Their best bet is to bring the X-men and Deadpool into the MCU since Disney now owns Fox as well. Pretty much the only other legit options are the Silver Surfer (Galactus storyline) and the characters from the Defenders. I guess they could do Howard the Duck if they want another comical character like Rocket Raccoon.
I just don't think the current characters that are left are good for anything other than some individual character movies. Maybe that is all they are going to do going forward (I haven't really looked that far in advance).
Before iron man.... people .. even myself didn’t care about captain America, Iron Man, black widow, Hawkeye, Thor nor the guardians .... but Feige put together wonderful movies to make us care. I mean before the MCU I only loved the x- men , Spidey and the Hulk .. now I care about all of marvel...
So I don’t think we have to worry about finding new characters to care about ... if all else fails , they’ll have the whole x-men and fantastic 4 worlds for us to **** ourselves over lol
When it comes time for Cap Marvel to exit . It better be by rogue. It’s something all fans even the. Brie Larson haters would cheer for
I see what you are saying but to be honest, I never really cared that much about Hawkeye and Black Widow (other than eye candy) for instance and don't think I would care to much about either individually going forward, with one supposedly getting a movie (Black Widow) and the other a show on the Disney streaming service (Hawkeye with a new actor).
I think what makes most superhero characters successful on the big screen are their crazy abilities or ridiculous technology. Those 2 characters I mentioned are just not as interesting to me. A guy that gets angry and turns into a big green rage monster is much more interesting than a modern day Robin Hood with a few gadgets. I just want what they started to keep doing well and not end up fizzling out while they just try and milk it for everything it is worth.
Yeah I seem to remember an X-Men cartoon where Mystique gets Rogue to completely absorb her powers. They will have to do a crossover with the X-men joining the MCU for that to happen I would think.
I think what made the Anengers so fun was seeing all these individual characters and then the build up of being able to see them all interact with one another. So maybe they could create a similar scenario by slowly building up to an x-men/current avengers crossover.
I think they're going to have to go that route. I remember being a kid going to see Jurassic Park in theaters. The "WOW" factor was off the charts. Even adults were blown away by the fx. Now over the last 25 or so years movies have come so far that the viewer knows there is literally nothing that isn't possible. The only way to get close to the build up and anticipation that Endgame created for MCU fans would be to do a crossover as a pay off over the assembling of new franchises, just like they did with Iron Man, Cap, Thor and the Guardians.
Keep in mind that no one outside of the very educated Marvel fan base knew much about anything in regards to the Guardians of the Galaxy. And to this day it remains one of the most popular films in all of the MCU by the general public. These characters don't need established credibility with the general public, Marvel has already proved they can create that with a single film.
As of right now I don't think there has been any mention of mutants in the MCU. So how do you all think they could merge them into the current MCU? Some kind of mishap resulting from the infinity stones? Maybe Captain America staying in the past and spreading his genes could somehow create a mutation. It wouldn't explain the mutants from the past beyond the 1950's though.
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Maybe Professor Xavier was able to mind wipe them from everyone's memory at some point in their near future like he did with Moira MacTaggert and the snap that brought everyone back undid all of that. So no more hiding them.
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Maybe Professor Xavier was able to mind wipe them from everyone's memory at some point in their near future like he did with Moira MacTaggert and the snap that brought everyone back undid all of that. So no more hiding them.
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I was never blown away while watching, but I also never got bored. I felt it was a good, satisfying wrap up to phase one. Probably going have to take a break now, because I honestly have some MCU fatigue.
As others have said, I hope for a proper showing of Silver Surfer and Dr. Doom sometime down the road.
As others have said, I hope for a proper showing of Silver Surfer and Dr. Doom sometime down the road.
I doubt they even try. Just push out GOG3, Spiderman, and Black Panther movies as long as people show up to watch them and dig around the minor charecters a d hope you find a hit here and there. Something like this will never be pulled off in this universe again imo.
Captain America 1 is awesome. Loved when he picked up Thor’s hammer.
It started off a little slow and I’m sure I could pick it apart. But then I remembered that these movies aren’t really made for me. They are made for my kids who will just have fun watching them and aren’t going to pick them apart
It started off a little slow and I’m sure I could pick it apart. But then I remembered that these movies aren’t really made for me. They are made for my kids who will just have fun watching them and aren’t going to pick them apart
When they were talking about the blast from the infinity stones on earth it made me feel like that was the perfect introduction to mutants. Talking about how the blast has never been seen before in the universe and that it gave off a "signature" or something like that. They have 5 years of emptiness between Infinity War and Endgame so I feel like that would be the perfect time for the mutants to show up from the blast. Idk though. The biggest thing about mutants in the comics was evolution of human genetics. May cheapen the idea of mutants if they were created from the aftereffect of the infinity stones.
Shew I’m sure I’ll have more later. But really wished that Thor would have cut Thanos’ head again before he was dusted. But glad we got to see Thanos as a badass even without the stones.
I thought Thanos was somewhat sympathetic is IW but they made him a great villain in Endgame.
I thought Thanos was somewhat sympathetic is IW but they made him a great villain in Endgame.
Here's an interview with the screenwriters, they explain some of their decisions(including X-men)
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/29/movies/avengers-endgame-questions-and-answers.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/29/movies/avengers-endgame-questions-and-answers.html
I find it hilarous butt hurt babies are saying the box office doesnt count because Endgame ran 24 hours in most theaters.......
Its Supply and Demand ...... 99% of other movies dont have the demand to keep theater screenings going 24 hours. So it absolutely counts.... When all the screenings during regular hours fill up ... theaters always stay open through the night because they want money..... its just very few movies sell out all screenings during regular hours.
Its Supply and Demand ...... 99% of other movies dont have the demand to keep theater screenings going 24 hours. So it absolutely counts.... When all the screenings during regular hours fill up ... theaters always stay open through the night because they want money..... its just very few movies sell out all screenings during regular hours.
Record......................................................Total....................Previous record holder
Biggest global opening weekend gross......$1.2 billion............Infinity War ($640 million)
Biggest international (non-US) opening
weekend gross..............................................$859 million........Fate of the Furious ($443 million)
Biggest US opening weekend gross............$350 million.........Infinity War ($257 million)
Biggest 3D opening weekend gross............$540 million.........Infinity War ($366 million)
Biggest IMAX opening weekend gross.......$91.5 million........Infinity War (48 million)
Biggest opening weekend gross
adjusted for inflation..............................38.8 million tickets.....The Force Awakens 28.5 million tickets
Biggest weekend per-theater
average.........................................................$75,000................The Force Awakens ($60,000)
Biggest opening day gross..........................$157 million........The Force Awakens ($119 million)
Biggest weekend market share...................90%......................Age of Ultron (85%)
Fastest to $100 million................................17 hours..............The Force Awakens (21 hours)
Fastest to $350 million................................3 days..................The Force Awakens (6 days)
Fastest to $1 billion.....................................5 days...................Infinity War (11 days)
Biggest global opening weekend gross......$1.2 billion............Infinity War ($640 million)
Biggest international (non-US) opening
weekend gross..............................................$859 million........Fate of the Furious ($443 million)
Biggest US opening weekend gross............$350 million.........Infinity War ($257 million)
Biggest 3D opening weekend gross............$540 million.........Infinity War ($366 million)
Biggest IMAX opening weekend gross.......$91.5 million........Infinity War (48 million)
Biggest opening weekend gross
adjusted for inflation..............................38.8 million tickets.....The Force Awakens 28.5 million tickets
Biggest weekend per-theater
average.........................................................$75,000................The Force Awakens ($60,000)
Biggest opening day gross..........................$157 million........The Force Awakens ($119 million)
Biggest weekend market share...................90%......................Age of Ultron (85%)
Fastest to $100 million................................17 hours..............The Force Awakens (21 hours)
Fastest to $350 million................................3 days..................The Force Awakens (6 days)
Fastest to $1 billion.....................................5 days...................Infinity War (11 days)
Considering Captain Marvel was in second place over the weekend, I wonder what the total share was. Just incredible.
5 years for those that didn't get snapped away. The snapped ones I believe didn't really experience any time loss between leaving and coming back. I could be wrong since I can't remember exactly what Peter said to Tony. I think to them they just disappeared and a few seconds later reappeared. I could be wrong though.
I'm guessing all of the key characters in Far From Home were snapped so they will be going from a field trip one day to back to school the next (or in a short time). The rest of the students should be new ones that aged up to that level. Who knows though with the Earth in pretty rough shape after the snap it might take a little time to get things reorganized and back to normal. Maybe Doctor Strange fixed a lot of things using the time stone before it got returned.
Speaking of the time stone, will he automatically get it back? It was returned to the Ancient One and will eventually end up back with Strange. So does it automatically show up in his possession after it is returned to her and it is like it never had a part in the battles with Thanos (never left Strange at all)? Time travel makes everything confusing.
Thanos hates nerds, so he snapped Peter's entire school. Then they all came back the same age five years later boom solved
Spider-Man is the conclusion to phase 3, so I’m assuming it’ll deal with the event of infinity war and endgame more than anything.
After watching it a second time tonight I’m convinced actually that Nat will get her proper send off in her solo movie.