EP coach who blew whistle on Jackie Robinson West arrested
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Poor guy was over served. This sounds like a good dram shop lawsuit in the making. Let's face it, Jackie Robinson West cheated. They recruited the best young baseball players they could find in the south Chicago land to play for their team. Rules are rules. Boundaries are boundaries. I mean its not like they have a multiplier in Little League do they???
Ehhh...
I can't lie, I ended up in the wrong apartment one night after being dropped off several years ago, luckily it was vacant. I also didn't shout vulgarities at anyone. But rules are rules... put him under the cell (not Comiskey)
I can't lie, I ended up in the wrong apartment one night after being dropped off several years ago, luckily it was vacant. I also didn't shout vulgarities at anyone. But rules are rules... put him under the cell (not Comiskey)
I sure as hell am not coming here to reveal ANY of my indescretions while inebriated.
Sounds like some people are out for revenge. So what. So the guy got drunk. So the guy went to the wrong house. So, he yelled obscenities at a woman and chased her. So, he told her to have her husband come outside. So what.
Now, the charge of resisting a peace officer? Not good. But who cares? If this guy was Joe Blow we wouldn't know a thing about it would we? Hell no. But it's this guy and here is what you get.
At least he can say he was drunk. How many people do far worse sober? I was in the parking lot of COSTCO a few months ago and two guys almost got into a fist fight because supposedly one took the other's parking spot...and right before Christmas too.
I am not excusing this guy's behavior by pointing out other bad behavior. He deserves what he gets. Just trying to put some perspective on it. Why is this even a news story?
Sounds like some people are out for revenge. So what. So the guy got drunk. So the guy went to the wrong house. So, he yelled obscenities at a woman and chased her. So, he told her to have her husband come outside. So what.
Now, the charge of resisting a peace officer? Not good. But who cares? If this guy was Joe Blow we wouldn't know a thing about it would we? Hell no. But it's this guy and here is what you get.
At least he can say he was drunk. How many people do far worse sober? I was in the parking lot of COSTCO a few months ago and two guys almost got into a fist fight because supposedly one took the other's parking spot...and right before Christmas too.
I am not excusing this guy's behavior by pointing out other bad behavior. He deserves what he gets. Just trying to put some perspective on it. Why is this even a news story?
It's a story because a "stand up guy" who is all for what is right in the world is not such a stand up guy. The point of blowing the whistle was because he was concerned about doing the "right thing". It's more important to do the right thing in little league baseball but not in his own life. You come with some sort of mild protection for him but parents and kids should be slayed for doing something so despicable.
Yes, he is a "stand-up guy" like you said and you are about to see proof of it. He said he is going to apologize to the people he confronted. Sounds like a stand-up guy to me. How many from JRW apologized for their "mistake?" Any?
I will bet you anything that whatever punishment from law he receives, he will take and deal with. Sounds like a stand-up guy to me as well. How did the people from JRW take their punishment? Yeah, that's what I thought.
In other words, this guy knows he made a mistake and will pay whatever penalty comes from it. THAT is a stand-up guy. He isn't going to blame others for what he did other than being "over served" which is a crock. He isn't going to blame certain sectors of society. He is going to take his medicine and move on. That's what a stand-up guy does.
The others from JRW and their supporters are NOT stand-up people. They want to blame others and still think they did nothing wrong when they clearly did and knew they did.
I am NOT protecting him. If you read my post I said I am not excusing what he did. I also said he deserves what he gets. Did anyone from JRW say that when they got busted? Again, I thought not. And I never said anyone should be "slayed." You are far too strong in your comparison. They broke a rule, they felt the punishment and now it's time to move on and GET OVER IT.
This post was edited on 3/4 10:39 AM by Dr. Mirakle
You know what's sad about all of this?
There are so many people in this country who call themselves adults who, when they do something wrong, look to blame everyone else but themselves. We can expect that behavior from children, but adults who should know better? This group of people has really grown, especially lately.
It has gotten so bad that when someone actually stands up and takes responsibility for his or her actions we praise him or her. When you think about it, that's sad. We should expect that from adults and not have to praise it. Is it any wonder why a lot of kids are messed up when it comes to taking responsibility?
There are so many people in this country who call themselves adults who, when they do something wrong, look to blame everyone else but themselves. We can expect that behavior from children, but adults who should know better? This group of people has really grown, especially lately.
It has gotten so bad that when someone actually stands up and takes responsibility for his or her actions we praise him or her. When you think about it, that's sad. We should expect that from adults and not have to praise it. Is it any wonder why a lot of kids are messed up when it comes to taking responsibility?
Mirakle,
It's obvious you feel very strong about it. More than others that have posted. You simply asked the question "why is this a story". I answered your question. I am not going to or don't care to go into comparison between the JRW and this guy. It is not that important to me. I have always said that if someone was wrong then the punishment should fit. I strongly feel that punishing kids is not always the correct answer and should be approached with caution. I also feel that the people that were speaking up were doing so in favor of the kids. If the punishment would have been a lifetime ban for the coach and all involved as well as a financial penalty without punishing the kids and protecting them from national embarrassment; I don't think anyone would have said a word nor came to any defense. Just my opinion of the JRW deal. I don't think anyone suggested that no one should be punished. Maybe I read it wrong.
For the record to me a "stand up guy" don't let himself get drunk enough to possibly get himself arrested or possibly killed. Saying you sorry doesn't help the fact that this woman may be scared $hitless the rest of her life because his drunken actions. I can see an 21 year old being in this situation, not an adult. If you think its ago just because he is taking responsibility for it then, that is where we differ. A remorseful killer is still a killer. That killer will never be a "stand up person" in my book regardless of how he "take his punishment like a man".
It's obvious you feel very strong about it. More than others that have posted. You simply asked the question "why is this a story". I answered your question. I am not going to or don't care to go into comparison between the JRW and this guy. It is not that important to me. I have always said that if someone was wrong then the punishment should fit. I strongly feel that punishing kids is not always the correct answer and should be approached with caution. I also feel that the people that were speaking up were doing so in favor of the kids. If the punishment would have been a lifetime ban for the coach and all involved as well as a financial penalty without punishing the kids and protecting them from national embarrassment; I don't think anyone would have said a word nor came to any defense. Just my opinion of the JRW deal. I don't think anyone suggested that no one should be punished. Maybe I read it wrong.
For the record to me a "stand up guy" don't let himself get drunk enough to possibly get himself arrested or possibly killed. Saying you sorry doesn't help the fact that this woman may be scared $hitless the rest of her life because his drunken actions. I can see an 21 year old being in this situation, not an adult. If you think its ago just because he is taking responsibility for it then, that is where we differ. A remorseful killer is still a killer. That killer will never be a "stand up person" in my book regardless of how he "take his punishment like a man".
Oh my Lord in Heaven. Are you serious with this post? Now you are going to compare this guy to a killer? Really? How in the world can I have an intelligent discussion with you when you are going to act this outrageous? Through your self-righteousness I am sure you never made a mistake or had any indiscretion that you were not proud of unlike the rest of us mortals. I am sure we can struggle on. We will look to you in the future for guidance.
I said before, what he did was wrong but you want to label the guy for the rest of his life. I am sure the punishment will fit the crime and will be handed out and carried out. I seriously doubt this poor woman will be "damaged" for the rest of her life. The guy is apologizing to her and not blaming someone else. The only thing a person can do when they make a mistake, and that is all this is, is to apologize to the person, say it won't happen again, and ask what they can do to make things right again. You can't do anything more than that in this situation. You can stop with the "what if this or that happened" stuff too. It didn't and we have to deal in facts and punish accordingly. You don't hand out punishment based on what might have happened in this case. You're blowing this way out of proportion.
Little League Baseball has stripped other teams of titles for various reasons in the past. I would be willing to bet you never said a word about it then. I just bet you didn't. But now you do. The proper punishment was handed down in this case. You can't just punish the coaches. The kids playing were illegal. Don't you think LL baseball thought about that before making their decision? I am sure they did, just like they had to think of the fall out that would occur with such a decision. To me, this is just like a team having a kid who is too old to play. They broke a rule, period, and I applaud LL baseball for sticking by their guns. To make matters worse, everyone associated with JRW wants to blame someone else. It would be a welcomed sight to see just one person on that side stand up and say, "We don't like the decision, but we have to live with it and abide by the rules" like other teams in the past have said. If one person would say that I would feel differently than I do.
Thirty years ago we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The rule would have been broken, the punishment handed down and that would have been it. Now in 2015, people want to do anything to escape responsibility for their actions and blame anyone they can find. They also want to justify their actions even when they are wrong. They figure, we're wrong, so what, here is why we did it. Well, YOU DID IT! This kind of crap really needs to stop in this country because it is very damaging and wrong. This is where the real damage is.
Finally, the article was NOT written for the reason you say. That is your opinion. I think someone has an axe to grind. I would like to know how the author of that piece feels about the decision LL baseball made in regard to JRW. I could be wrong, but I'd like to know.
Buttermaker is the most famous coach in the history of LL baseball and he was drunk during practice, what's the big deal???
LHS Tigers-Little League International relies on honesty of the sanctioning districts in providing player rosters. If you have any idea of the area the kids on the JRW roster were from, you would not be as flippant with making generalities in regards to this matter. The players cheated. The parent coaches cheated for them. MANY accolades have been heaped upon these young men from parades, Florida trips, California trips, and of course visiting the White House and presidential greeting, honored at all 4 major Chicago sports teams events and a World Series visit by MLB. The kids have reaped benefits beyond belief because of "The Story". NO ONE has come forward to say anything was provided in error from JRW to LL Intl. There my friend is the issue...responsibility for actions is not taught to any of these players. Obviously a ton of money has been thrown at this situation both before and after the findings were ruled on by LL. Hundreds of thousands...all to be wasted on lawyers and politicians who will not be successful in overturning the decision of LL Intl. A shame for sure that this money could be spent to better the communities involved. Even more sad is these are not the best of players in the Chicago area...who would be playing travel ball with fewer restrictions to comply with.
This post was edited on 3/5 4:43 PM by WIU78
This post was edited on 3/5 4:43 PM by WIU78