So are suggesting that CBC and Rochester are the same calibur of teams
ESL v CBC
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Rochester can score points in bunches and they don’t beat themselves, they can hang.
Oh boy…………. Just basic anti-ESL rhetoric disguised as being objective. Can ESL just play the teams that are “willing” to schedule non-conference games with them and not have folks project worthy in-state opponents?? It’s as easy as 1-2-3 to fill one of ESL’s open non-conference slots…..give it a go; they now have 4 every year. Who knows, your hypothesis just may be correct…but there’s only one TRUE way to find out. Hats off to Batavia, Neuqua Valley, & Naperville Central.
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Okay, can I have ESL coaches call YOU to help us prepare for a proverbial “Rochester?” Besides, if our “bane” as you suggest usually still ends up in a “W” for us, can you really characterize it as a bane? My recollection accounts for a few shut-outs or very low scores deep in the play-offs. Yes, we’ve had a few games where our defense has not played to its fullest capabilities, but it happens when you seek out challenges; it’s all part of the process.
Friends, Check out this 19-20 (last full Corona-Free Illinois) Season:
Chatham 56 Rochester 26
Chatham 28 ESL 50
You lost me at “will always be the bane”. Just a little too careless……….
Bane Bane Bane!!! Ratsy
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I don’t know about all that Rochester talk but after seeing ESL last night and IMG and Bosco play through the first two weeks it is obvious that they are nowhere near that level of play. Nobody in the state is.
If you watched that game last night and thought ESL could travel to CA to beat Bosco after a Miami Central team that is absolutely loaded on defense went out there and were quickly down 21-0 and routed the rest of the way you are not living in reality you are a homer.
Don’t even get me started on IMG.
Those two games are going to test those kids character in a big way. Are they going to keep that same energy that had last night when they are on the other end of a beat down and kids are flipping into the endzone, laughing and clowning them? Because it is going to happen and there isn’t anything they can do about it. It will be interesting.
Watch Bosco vs. Miami Central and IMG vs American Heritage on YouTube. You will see what I’m talking about.
Someone created a thread asking why ESL wasn’t ranked in the top 5 nationally with a roster bolstered by all of their D1 transfers. We all saw why last night.
No one said it would be easy. We knew going in that was a tall task. But iron sharpens iron
OAN.... LB3.. THE BEST PLAYER IN THE STATE
OAN.... LB3.. THE BEST PLAYER IN THE STATE
Okay, so you’re the only one with a grasp on high school football?????? No one said top 5 by the way. That’s the schedule that we chose, and we are well aware of the facts! What “concern” is it of yours???? Those teams are highly ranked for a reason which is the same reason that we sought them out. I mean ducking challenges, no matter the size, may be working well for you; but don’t knock it because YOU wouldn’t do it. I mean, what exactly are you promoting??? Let me help you out, if we lose, we lose; if we win, we win! But the experience is the experience in either scenario.
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Some folks on here like to take cheap shots at the Flyers. I say, look at the history of their program. Look at their record under Coach Sunkett. Look at the talent their program attracts. Look at their schedule. Year after year, they play great teams from all over the country. They don't duck anybody, folks. Schedule them and let it play out on the field.
What concern is it of mine?
Are you serious? Folks can’t talk about the Flyers around here unless they bow down and pretend they are something they aren’t?
I know how this game goes. Next you are going to ask me who I root for, what school I played at, or if my sons team got stomped by the Flyers etc etc. lol. None of which has anything to do with the FACT that ESL is not a national power, period.
That’s my point. You don’t want to argue that point good, it means you understand what I’m saying is the truth. Don’t shoot the messenger though.
If you think this is some kind of knock on ESL its not. I’m from the area and trust me people have been talking about ESL “beating” Bosco or IMG all summer. All I’ve heard is “we are built different” “such and such is “different” etc etc.
All of that is indeed true. They are “different” from Bosco and IMG and other top ranked national powers. They simply and objectively speaking not even close to being on their level.
Now for the dig -
We all know “why” you sought them out. If Bosco or IMG wasn’t in your schedule than ESL loses that game last night handily to CBC. Holes in that roster wouldn’t have been filled or bolstered to the extent they were after that schedule came out. Sunkett knows exactly what scheduling those games meant for getting kids to transfer over.
Can’t petition up anymore? Sunkett said “ok, scorched earth it is” lol.
Are you serious? Folks can’t talk about the Flyers around here unless they bow down and pretend they are something they aren’t?
I know how this game goes. Next you are going to ask me who I root for, what school I played at, or if my sons team got stomped by the Flyers etc etc. lol. None of which has anything to do with the FACT that ESL is not a national power, period.
That’s my point. You don’t want to argue that point good, it means you understand what I’m saying is the truth. Don’t shoot the messenger though.
If you think this is some kind of knock on ESL its not. I’m from the area and trust me people have been talking about ESL “beating” Bosco or IMG all summer. All I’ve heard is “we are built different” “such and such is “different” etc etc.
All of that is indeed true. They are “different” from Bosco and IMG and other top ranked national powers. They simply and objectively speaking not even close to being on their level.
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We all know “why” you sought them out. If Bosco or IMG wasn’t in your schedule than ESL loses that game last night handily to CBC. Holes in that roster wouldn’t have been filled or bolstered to the extent they were after that schedule came out. Sunkett knows exactly what scheduling those games meant for getting kids to transfer over.
Can’t petition up anymore? Sunkett said “ok, scorched earth it is” lol.
Everything you say is true yet none of that makes them a national power.
Not ducking anyone or not being scared to play anyone is such false bravado. This isn’t combat or a combat sport. There is nothing to be “scared” of when playing a kids game against other kids.
Let’s look at that history for a second. What National power has ESL beat under Sunkett?
No shame in NOT being a National power or nationally known. The vast majority aren’t. It’s an elite group. I just get tired of hearing that ESL is in that class. Stop. It. They aren’t even close.
Man this all just sounds like sour grapes. We get ppl like you who choose to try and prove to all of us that esl isn't a national power in response to someone comparing them to Rochester. It's a very poor strawman argument. Esl isnt on IMGs level yet just like Rochester isnt on ESLs level. The difference is Rochester isnt challenging themselves and playing ESL
Ha! All of that and you never actually told me what true concern of it is yours. But then again, you did, but you just weren’t aware of that. You’re a sicko of some sort. Lol. A true “Southwestern Conferencer,” nonetheless. Who in their right mind would celebrate voting to disallow the best team in their conference to play up? You honestly tried to throw a rock and hide your hand.
There are no prerequisites for joining this board, and you’re proof of it.
Best of luck to you and your team. Oh, what team is it that you say that you support again? As of now, all we know is that it is any and every team against ESL.
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What?!
You seem overly defensive and emotional.
I’m not sure what you are getting at with your Southwestern Confrencer nonsense. I have no connection to the SW conference.
What I was referencing with scorched earth was that I’ve heard that Sunkett was upset with not being able to petition up so he’s been trying to schedule bigger games. The rationale is that winning a 5A or 6A state championship in Illinois wasn’t going to be as much of a challenge or as something that would continue to attract kids from all over. I’m not sure I agree with that but I’ve heard it from a very reliable source.
It’s well known that ESL and Sunkett leveraged that schedule to attract all of those transfers they got this summer. If they didn’t get those transfers, most of whom played significant roles in ESL winning that game, they lose handily. Look CBC recruits too, I’m not saying they are some kind of victim here.
I’m just speaking facts. Many of those kids have literally said the reason they transferred was to get the opportunity to play on the big stage, get national exposure etc etc.
You can pretend all you want that “you” guys scheduling IMG and Boscoe had to do with anything other than “attracting” talent all you want. Nobody that pays attention to HS football in the STL area believes you.
You seem overly defensive and emotional.
I’m not sure what you are getting at with your Southwestern Confrencer nonsense. I have no connection to the SW conference.
What I was referencing with scorched earth was that I’ve heard that Sunkett was upset with not being able to petition up so he’s been trying to schedule bigger games. The rationale is that winning a 5A or 6A state championship in Illinois wasn’t going to be as much of a challenge or as something that would continue to attract kids from all over. I’m not sure I agree with that but I’ve heard it from a very reliable source.
It’s well known that ESL and Sunkett leveraged that schedule to attract all of those transfers they got this summer. If they didn’t get those transfers, most of whom played significant roles in ESL winning that game, they lose handily. Look CBC recruits too, I’m not saying they are some kind of victim here.
I’m just speaking facts. Many of those kids have literally said the reason they transferred was to get the opportunity to play on the big stage, get national exposure etc etc.
You can pretend all you want that “you” guys scheduling IMG and Boscoe had to do with anything other than “attracting” talent all you want. Nobody that pays attention to HS football in the STL area believes you.
One game don't define a team every team from college to the pros have close games Esl will be fine good luck Esl the rest of the way its just the first game
Well, my friend, let me assure you that in all of your prognostications, and “reliable source” assertions, when it comes to Flyers football, there is no source MORE reliable or credible than me. Interpret my statement however you want. Unlike you, I don’t relish in ambiguity.
Be well, if you so chose. Peace.
I didn't know there was rules to scheduling a game. Seems to me as long as the two parties agree then play ball.
You are either misinformed or you just like arguing for the sake of arguing because you are way off base with your rationale behind the schedule. Sunkett was scheduling games against teams from LA, MI, GA, OH, etc way before they werent allowed to petition up. And hes been pulling some of the top kids from stl way back to the damien nash days.
The ONLY difference now is he has to schedule 4 non con games instead of 2. And since none of the other southern/central illinois "power programs" want to schedule, he finds someone who does
Ah. I’ve allowed you to do what you sought to with your initial response, which was to shoot the messenger or to muddy the waters/debate.
Well done sir!
The truth is that whether or not anything I said is true or not, what my identity is, or even what my “motivations” are make zero difference to the argument I was initially making. You don’t like what I said so you attack me. I’ll stay on topic.
ESL vs Bosco and IMG is a valid topic.
After week one and seeing all three teams play it is patently obvious that ESL is not on the same level as Bosco or IMG.
Well done sir!
The truth is that whether or not anything I said is true or not, what my identity is, or even what my “motivations” are make zero difference to the argument I was initially making. You don’t like what I said so you attack me. I’ll stay on topic.
ESL vs Bosco and IMG is a valid topic.
After week one and seeing all three teams play it is patently obvious that ESL is not on the same level as Bosco or IMG.
“You are either misinformed or you just like arguing for the sake of arguing because you are way off base with your rationale behind the schedule.”
jha618, I’m thinking that its more the latter.
@TigerforFlyers this is probably someone we shouldnt spend a whole lot of time arguing with.
The "idk if what im saying is true or not, but im gonna repeat it ad nauseum" mentality is pretty hilarious. Esp since its been explained to you that your rationale for the transfers and schedule has zero validity.
If you wanted to stay on topic, you would have been responding telling us how rochester isnt on the same level as rochester. Instead you wanted to compare esl to bosco and img.
You are the only one here talking about two teams from cali and florida. For what. For the sake of "exposing" one of the best programs in the state when they have the opportunity to put on for your state on a national stage.
You dont read well do you? Ive already said that
Just like esl and rochester arent the same caliber of teams
Rochester is nowhere near ESL and would get ran off the field. That initial post was met with ridicule from an ESL fan. Laughed off and rightfully so IMO. You know that feeling you have when someone posts something you feel is absurd? It’s the same feeling you should have when someone says ESL can compete with IMG or Bosco. If you’ve seen all 3 teams play it obvious.
Did you see Miami Central? They are way more impressive than ESL and got outclassed.
Did you see Miami Central? They are way more impressive than ESL and got outclassed.
Your source is so unreliable. This schedule was intended for Macon Lovett etc. Covid changed that. Im extremely close to the program and can tell you many things. Like I personally reached out to Rochester for a game at the classic and was turned down ... due to closed conference
Eye opening for the poster that asked why ESL isnt ranked in the top 5 nationally. Eye opening for the poster that said “if ESL can find a LB and a pass rushing DE” they can compete with IMG. Eye opening for those in the area that think ESL is some national powerhouse when they are not.
If you aren’t them and you know what’s coming down the pike than what concern is it of yours? Why are you so upset that I’m pointing this out?
If you aren’t them and you know what’s coming down the pike than what concern is it of yours? Why are you so upset that I’m pointing this out?
Lol no one here said a darn thing about esl beating img or bosco. Two posters said rochester could play with esl, and you chimed in and said esl cant play with img or bosco. Wth are you talking about. Maybe you should go argue with whoever said esl was going to beat either of those teams
At no point have I suggested that Rochester could play with ESL. That was another poster.
The irony of this post is crazy. What concern is it to you, the guy who continues to try and put us esl fans in our place, that you have to remind us esl will lose to img or bosco. You really lack some self awareness
You disagree coach?
What’s your take? My guess is you won’t say so you can avoid looking as silly as the Rochester fan. Who’s the clown coach?
All this horse Puckey aside, that was an impressive win. I’m not sure anyone else in the state had such a competitive game on opening night. CBC don’t suck. They are the number-two ranked team in a very competitive area. And keep in mind, the flyers you saw last night, that’s a sophomore quarterback and three juniors on that office of line. They will improve. Playing I M G and Bosco this year will have them more prepared for next year.
I just don't get the point of this line of discussion. ESL will be major dogs against Bosco and IMG. IMG is a club team masquerading as a high school whose own state doesn't let them participate in the playoffs. Bosco is one of a bunch of private football factories that probably shouldn't even be playing regular high schools even if they get some transfers. I haven't seen a ESL fan say they are a national powerhouse. Sure an overzealous person on the board asked why ESL wasn't top 5 but they admitted they didn't know much.
I'll be the 1st to to say here that I think ESL (or anyone for that matter) has to go through the top teams in the state to be #1, but that's a reasonable discussion to have, with no ill intent. This just seems like an objective to belittle a school going out and playing some tough games. I don't see the point.
I'll be the 1st to to say here that I think ESL (or anyone for that matter) has to go through the top teams in the state to be #1, but that's a reasonable discussion to have, with no ill intent. This just seems like an objective to belittle a school going out and playing some tough games. I don't see the point.
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Agreed - that’s a few days process. Has to be part of the prep weekly.
But the heat down there is just a bit more oppressive. Heat index of 102 right now. The air is thick with humidity.
There were 8,000 people streaming the game … and crazily, there is a Chik Fil A in the CBC concessions stand.
Rochester has an explosive offense sure. But they defense better be ready too. Defensively some changes has to be make for the flyers, Has to be not saying its the players could be the alignment. Either ways changes are needed quickly.
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