Honest question. If U.K. Football makes you this miserable why bother with it? If you cannot see that stoops has improved this program from the place joker had it you are choosing to see it that way. Has it been as quick as I wanted? No of course not... But, brick by brick we ARE improving. I'm satisfied with a bowl game this season. Doesn't mean I see 6 wins as a ceiling for the program. But you have to have a solid foundation, taste some success, learn to win, and then take the next step. Coach Cal always says "enjoy the process." Some of our fans need to apply that logic to the football program. Firing coach stoops at this point would be a terrible idea. I will admit in my own opinion the jury is somewhat still out on him. But, we reworked an offense mid swing when the starting qb went down developed a power running game in the SEC, have a solid OLine, coach stoops took over the d which did show a pulse compared to the early season, we were In the game late against Georgia which would've posted a winning sec record! Enjoy the process or don't but don't wallow in misery...
ESPN reporting now Strong out at Texas
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You must not watch many games. Say whatever else you want about Stoops, but he certainly isn't a "church *** school boy" on the sidelines.
Looks like your expectations were out of line with what could reasonably be expected.
You must be disappointed a lot
I never felt like Strong was a great coach at UofL...
Him leaving when Bridgewater went pro is the best thing that could have happened for them.
Him leaving when Bridgewater went pro is the best thing that could have happened for them.
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SEE YA CHOLLY:cool2:
Cholly should never left Lil Brother weak schedules Goober fans..win a few and they are satisfied at Texass he found tough schedules knowledgeable fans bad news
SEE YA CHOLLY:cool2:
The "pattern" you're seeing is common at both college and professional sports - all sports. Nothing special about Lousiville's former coaches. I think it was Bum Phillips who said "When a coach is hired, he's fired. The date just hasn't been filled in yet".
What if Strong decides to "volunteer" for 2 years at any other school with no pay? Does he get the full 5M per year from Texas?
Don't overlook the real possibility that your expectations might have been the actual joke.
You're absolutely right in everything you just said and I totally agree with you, but you're not seeing the bigger picture. Kentucky was going to be lucky to go 6-6 this year. Next year, expectations will be even higher, but hopefully still realistic.
Bottom line, Stoops inherited a mess. The only game he lost that he should've won wasn't Southern Miss. That's all we should ask for this year. From now on though, that's a different story
I will post this again:
2013: Started out recruiting in Dec. Had very few talented, high D1 type players on the roster he inherited)
2013: 2-10
2014: 5-7 (overacheived, IMO)
2015: 5-7 (About where I thought our third year should be.)
** Lose Hatcher, Meant, and our starting QB only to have to play 7 sophomores on defense and a backup QB..... then start the season 0-2....
2016: 6-5 and going bowling for the first time in several years.
It might be just be, but it looks like Stoops is building a program and with the lack of talent on the roster when he got here, the fact that our program isn't "tradition rich," our state doesn't develop many SEC caliber players.... and we're improving... might be slower than some want, but we're progressing...
Not sure what anybody expected.
I've seen him grow as a head coach. He has made some bone headed calls for sure, but while he still has some on occasion, it appears to me that it's not near as many, which shows me he's learning how to be a head coach of a major D1 program.
If he can continue to grow as a coach, up the recruiting some more as the wins come, I think he'll be at UK for the long haul and we've hit the jackpot.
That alone, to me, is worth waiting to see how things go with him. I hope he gets it done and he's here until he's ready to retire.
2013: Started out recruiting in Dec. Had very few talented, high D1 type players on the roster he inherited)
2013: 2-10
2014: 5-7 (overacheived, IMO)
2015: 5-7 (About where I thought our third year should be.)
** Lose Hatcher, Meant, and our starting QB only to have to play 7 sophomores on defense and a backup QB..... then start the season 0-2....
2016: 6-5 and going bowling for the first time in several years.
It might be just be, but it looks like Stoops is building a program and with the lack of talent on the roster when he got here, the fact that our program isn't "tradition rich," our state doesn't develop many SEC caliber players.... and we're improving... might be slower than some want, but we're progressing...
Not sure what anybody expected.
I've seen him grow as a head coach. He has made some bone headed calls for sure, but while he still has some on occasion, it appears to me that it's not near as many, which shows me he's learning how to be a head coach of a major D1 program.
If he can continue to grow as a coach, up the recruiting some more as the wins come, I think he'll be at UK for the long haul and we've hit the jackpot.
That alone, to me, is worth waiting to see how things go with him. I hope he gets it done and he's here until he's ready to retire.
With the caveat that I'm not an attorney, the summary I read used the word "employed". I would think a "volunteer" is not employed.
However, this time I noticed a link to the actual contract. The section related to the buyout is on page 11. Per the actual contract the offset is 50% of the payment received by him new employer. So if he volunteers at no salary, there would be no offset. If payed a million a year, UTx's obligation would drop half a million not half of 5M as I previously thought.
I tried to cut and paste this section but can't for some reason. Here is a link to the summary and thus the contract. :https://hkm.com/football/contracts/charlie-strong/
Feel kinda sorry for Strong. Based on wins and losses I believe he should be let go. But Texas has handled this terribly. Everyone seems to know he's getting fired but him. Why doesn't Texas just make announcement instead of having Strong hang out in the wind to twist? Just makes Texas look really bad.
:flushed:[roll][laughing][jumpingsmile]:bomb::boom: MMMMMM YEAH AAAHHH SURE LOL REMARKABLE MMMMMMMMMM LET ME THINK ABOUT IT, NO!
Stoops needs to get 2 out of 3 for me next year to get back on board all the way. UGA,UF,TENN. He beats 2 of those and beats everyone else in East. Plus he does not lose to USM. He will have most fans full support. No more 5-6 win seasons starting next year. Beating UL this weekend would be a nice start plus winning bowl game would be great momentum going into off season. Recruiting moving forward would accelerate and I hope he can get it done. Ready to legitimately compete for EAST title very soon.
BRING Strong in as DC!!
BRING Strong in as DC!!
Youd think with 12 tries Stoops could have pulled out atleast 1 win vs one of those teams...
The fan support was there, the facilities weren't and the SEC money didn't get back to football, then the fans went away so the facilities came, AND the money to spend on football, because there is so much even mitch couldn't spend it all on the rifle team.
You have unrealistic expectations, it takes time, you should go support a proven winner with great tradition and facilities, someone like Notre Dame maybe?
Right on.
And if we had avoided that VERY close loss to Georgia that winning record in the SEC would have been the first since 1977-----when we cheated, which cost us dearly in the long run.
Poor baby, they wouldn't let him take hurtt to Thug U so he didn't even ask at a respectable University like Texas, what chance did he have then? He would have been a much better fit there though, they cheat too. Although it seems Jones was able to pull in some pretty good talent there, even with the "Orange Pride" outlawed, but then where there is a will there is a way..
Maybe he can build himself a mansion with the $10,000,000, like all the other rich athletes waste their money and our resources on, maybe he can wallpaper one room with $1,000 bills and he can go in there and count them on the ceiling for therapy. Maybe he can spend half a million on improving the status of his people, nah, maybe $100,000 and half a million to publicize what a great guy he is for his great charity work.
Like he and jurich didn't know just what a slimeball hurtt was when they hired him, and refused to fire him when that is what the INCOMPETENT NCAA expected with their edict. At least the UL Chancellor's divorce was settled out of court so he wouldn't have had to show that Transfer U's three most successful coaches are all adulterers, I'm sure jurich has to search far and wide to come up with his motley crew, and I wouldn't be surprised to find out he put up some of the student's money to arrange the out of court settlement, LOL...
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There's much to like and agree with in this thread. Hopefully all of we fans can be patient enough to see these events come to fruition!
So you're mad because we didn't win 1 out of 12, which would still basically be meaningless. Like I said, UK has a ton of fans that hate their lives and take it out on UK Football. Not saying you are one, but we have many that are. What has UK done in your lifetime that has lead you to believe you deserve a top tier SEC team. IT AINT HAPPENING.
I dont get your point...so youd rather win zero against those teams than one?. People have great reasons to not be happy with this program. If this were an SEC program not named UK or Vandy, Stoops would be gone. 6 wins vs weak SEC teams isnt impressive. Yeah its great we are at 6 wins but what happens when the rest of the East gets going again? We have made 1 game progress over 3 years. You can spin it however you want, but theres nothing to be impressed about. Next year is Stoops chance. If he cant get over the 6 win hump with the amount of upperclassmen he will have, he never will. Some people simply arent satisfied as easily as others. Has nothing to do with them hating their lives. Some people live for college football and get let down every year.
Who are you going to bring in for this perrenial Football power to take over for Stoops? Guys better than Stoops are hammering our door down to be here, aren't they? Screw it, let's fire him now and set the program back ANOTHER 3 to 5 years before we get back to 6 and 6. It's a and 6 and 6, 7 and 5 and occasional 8 and 4 (maybe) program and that just ain't changing pal. Not worth arguing so take care.
And in addition to your points, by Texas standards, the talent level was way way down and it had been progressively declining for years under Brown when Strong took over and if I recall he kicked off a ton players when he first got there for discipinary reasons.
Sounds to me like Texas needs the microwave talk....
I think most agree a program isn't built overnight, but it's hard to have faith in Stoops as a coach because his inexperience shows so often. He's recruited beyond what any of us expected and has a talented roster by UK standards imo but that's not really translated to any more wins.
So my question is...how much talent will it take on this roster to compensate for coaching ability? Is it even possible for him to accumulate the amount he will need to win 8 or 9 games here or even the SEC East in a normal year? And a realistic look at next year shows a similar year to this one I believe with 5 wins +/-1
Just seems like a coach who does more with less instead of less with more would be a better fit here. I just feel it's going to take Mark Stoops way too much talent to get us where we all want to be and I have doubts that it can be done.
I thought we were going for improvement though? Joker atleast beat UT. So i guess Stoops gets to keep his job forever with 5-6 win seasons because the past coaches sucked too. Take away our run game and what else looks good about this team? Yeah, theres where we are after 4 years.
Im waiting for him to beat a P5 team with a winning record. That hard to ask for? Keep defending him. Im behind him but im not going to act like he is good.
Brooks or Joker would have killed for the talent he inherited, and Stoops inherited even less than them at UK.
You give zero credit for having to completely revamp the offense AFTER the season started and the improvement in the D, also with last minute losses, after Stoops took it over?
I for one can't wait to see how Stoops handles a bowl situation. His bro has had some of the greatest bowl wins and atrocious bowl losses of any coach out there - and many times opposite to what the bowl matchup would have lead you to believe. we're in for either a nice surprise or hilarious comedy. can't wait.
I have credited Stoops.
No doubt Gran restructured the offense and although no one wants a kid to get hurt, UK ultimately benefitted from Barker's injury by being forced to primarily run the ball which was this teams strength to begin with. The improvement in D was a side product of time of posession created by the new offense alongside playing a stretch of teams with some of the worst offensive ratings in the country. Despite those factors, I have credited Stoops and done so publicly here.
And yes, a ton of last minute, posession deciding games this year. I thought Stoops handled the closing of UGA incredibly bad and the Miss St game and Vandy as well and all in the same way by playing soft and allowing these teams to march down the field on final drives. That happened 3 times this year! Even he admitted luck was involved in the Miss St win when he jokingly said "yep just how we drew it up." Nothing wrong with a little luck but he tends to be a slow learner or very stubborn which neither is a good recipe at UK.
Brooks I'll give you. 100 percent correct.
Joker was brought on to continue the continuity of success Brooks had created! He squandered it and a very minority of fans (cough cough) still found no fault in him.
Stoops has talent now. Maybe not Texas talent but Texas is expected to win titles not just make the Shreveport whatever it is Bowl.
"Way down by Texas standards" is still "way up" by UK standards, even in the best of Brooks and Jokers recruiting years.
Not doing iit again but in 2010, when Joker took over the whole state of Kentucky had ZERO four star prospects while the state of Texas had 44-------plus some five stars. Kentucky's first five star this century was Harris I believe, and we didn't get him..
Additionally, until recently THE University of Texas usually had their choice of most of those four and five stars in Texas.
I support UK's team, its players, and their coaches as long as they are our coaches. To say Joker wasn't a good HC is easy, but a lot of "good" coaches have failed at UK over the years, and he WAS a good position coach AND recruiter, if you want some proof I can elaborate, but one of the best programs in the nation immediately hiring him and making him the recruiting coordinator says quite a bit. Also the two classes at Florida with him as RC were both top five in the nation IIRC.
NOBODY was going to be a big success at UK with the support mitch gave football before the strike, I don't think anyone could have done much better than Brooks did. The "recruiting room" alone was enough to show almost all recruits UK wasn't the least bit interested in anything but milking UK football to the max, and I am sure every other coach in the SEC had pictures of it to show recruits.
All in all an incredibly inept performance by the athletic department when football was emerging as THE money cow, and we were falling farther and farther behind the other jprograms in perception and facilities.