Famed lib attorney, Alan Dershowitz, no crime committed, terrible idea for a special counsel

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OPINION: A special counsel is the wrong way to uncover the truth
BY ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 05/18/17 03:30 PM EDT 168
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The good news is obvious. Robert Mueller is a good choice to become the special counsel investigating the Trump campaign and administration. The bad news is that a special counsel is the wrong mechanism for conducting an investigation that will uncover the whole truth.

The mandate of the special counsel is to “prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation.” But the accusations directed at the Trump campaign and administration are not primarily criminal. Accordingly, they fall outside of the jurisdiction of the special counsel.

Consider the worst-case scenario that the Trump campaign worked closely with the Russians to ensure his election. It probably didn’t happen, but even if it had, there would be nothing criminal about it. It would be wrong and voters would be right to consider this and make them pay a political price. But it is not the role of the special counsel to expose wrongdoings — only to investigate and prosecute crime. And not all wrongdoing is criminal: coordination with the Russians is simply not a crime.

The same is true of providing Russians with secret intel that may have endangered sources and methods of an ally — Israel. It was wrong, but it was not a crime. The special counsel has no jurisdiction to investigate or prosecute this important blunder — if it occurred.

Finally, there is the allegation of obstruction of justice growing out of President Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey and his alleged request to Comey to “let it go” with regard to his fired national security advisor Michael Flynn. None of this, in my view, rises to the level of criminal obstruction, because all of the president’s actions were within his constitutional and statutory authority. But even if it were a crime, it is unlikely that a sitting president could be indicted and prosecuted for what is alleged against Trump.

Nor does the special counsel have the authority to draw up a bill of impeachment, even if one were warranted — which it is not, at least on the basis of the available evidence. That authority resides in the House of Representatives.

So what will the special prosecutor be doing? The short answer is that we don’t know and may never know, because he will be operating in secret. His most powerful weapon will be the grand jury, which has the power to subpoena witnesses to be questioned without their lawyers behind closed doors. It is a crime to disclose or leak grand jury testimony (except in special situations).

At the end of his super secret investigations, the special counsel has essentially three options: he can issue indictments and prosecute the defendants, he can issue a statement that no indictments are warranted and close down his investigation, or he can issue a report.

If he were to issue a report, it would be one-sided and based on an investigation not geared towards knowing the whole truth, but rather to develop and present to the grand jury sufficient evidence to show probable cause that a crime may have been committed. The grand jury hears only one side — the prosecutor’s. A report, based on no criminal investigation, is likely to be one-sided and incomplete.

It would have been far better for this country if Congress had appointed a nonpartisan investigatory commission to uncover the whole truth, including noncriminal wrongdoing, not only on the part of the Trump campaign and administration, but also on the part of those current and former intelligence officials who willfully leaked classified and highly secret information to the media.

That is one issue that is within the jurisdiction of the special counsel because it involves serious federal felonies. It would be ironic if the only indictment resulting from the special counsel's investigation was of the intelligence officials who unlawfully leaked classified information.



Alan M. Dershowitz is the Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law, Emeritus, at Harvard Law School and author of Taking the Stand: My Life in the Law and Electile Dysfunction: A Guide for the Unaroused Voter. Follow him on Twitter @AlanDersh or Facebook @AlanMDershowitz.
 

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I think Mueller is a positive for both sides of this. The GOP can finally defer on this subject, and get back to their agenda message.
 

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I think Mueller is a positive for both sides of this. The GOP can finally defer on this subject, and get back to their agenda message.

I don't disagree. In fact, if Dershowitz is accurate, and I think he is, since no crime has been committed (collusion not a crime, obstruction of justice is a crime but Dershowitz does not believe it occurred), what will Mueller do? Mueller is limited to investigation of actual crimes.
 

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I don't disagree. In fact, if Dershowitz is accurate, and I think he is, since no crime has been committed (collusion not a crime, obstruction of justice is a crime but Dershowitz does not believe it occurred), what will Mueller do? Mueller is limited to investigation of actual crimes.
I think his goal is to restore credibility to the FBI, and the ability for some things in American to be non-partisan. A goal I am very much in favor of, regardless of the outcome.
 
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Mueller is limited to investigation of actual crimes.

Wrong, as usual.

Evidently, Mueller will have wide latitude and authority in pursuing his investigation. According to the Washington Post, the legal order that Rosenstein signed authorized the special counsel to look into “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump,” as well as “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.’’ The order also said that Mueller would have the right, if he deemed it necessary, “to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.”

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/robert-mueller-a-most-welcome-special-counsel
 

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I think his goal is to restore credibility to the FBI, and the ability for some things in American to be non-partisan. A goal I am very much in favor of, regardless of the outcome.

I think the new FBI director will play a much more important role in restoring FBI credibility. I have read where Trump favored former Dem Senator, Joe Lieberman, but the Dems don't want him. Strange indeed. I'm not sure the Dems will be happy with any appointment unless they are a partisan Dem.
 

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Wrong, as usual.

Evidently, Mueller will have wide latitude and authority in pursuing his investigation. According to the Washington Post, the legal order that Rosenstein signed authorized the special counsel to look into “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump,” as well as “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.’’ The order also said that Mueller would have the right, if he deemed it necessary, “to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.”

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/robert-mueller-a-most-welcome-special-counsel

You're making my point. He is to investigate CRIMES and CRIMES only. He can look into links with Russia for any CRIMES committed by anyone from the Trump campaign. As Dershowitz argues ( and he knows far more than you or me or even Mueller in this matter, campaign collusion is not a crime). I was not aware of that myself. Therefore, if any collusion between Flynn and the Russians occurred, there was no crime.

Read this for further evidence:

WASHINGTON MAELSTROM
After Mueller, Trump Critics Worry: Maybe There’s No Scandal JASON WILLICK
Eli Lake is right: The DOJ’s appointment of widely-respected former prosecutor Robert Mueller to lead the special inquiry into the Trump campaign’s potential collusion with Russia is a reprieve for a Trump Administration in crisis—a reprieve that it will almost certainly squander, but a reprieve nonetheless.

How do we know? Because the responses from Trump’s most dogged critics on the Russia question betray a kind of anxiety about the Mueller appointment—an anxiety that the no-nonsense law enforcement wise man will lower the temperature in Washington without actually uncovering enough damaging material to bring down the President.

Take, for example, Josh Marshall declaring that while he has confidence in Mueller to identify and expose any criminal activities undertaken by Trump or his associates, he won’t be able to prosecute the real Trump-Russia wrongdoing: a labyrinthian “conspiracy” which may not even involve any illegal behavior.

It is critical to understand that the most important details we need to know about the Russian disruption campaign and the Trump campaign’s possible collusion with it may not be crimes. Indeed, I would say that the crimes we’re likely to discover will likely be incidental or secondary to the broader actions and activities we’re trying to uncover. Just hypothetically, what if Russia had a disruption campaign, Trump campaign officials gave winks and nods to nudge it forward but violated no laws? That’s hard to figure but by no means impossible. (Our criminal laws are not really designed for this set of facts.) The simple point is that the most important ‘bad acts’ may well not be crimes. That means not only is no one punished but far, far more important, we would never know what happened.

And here’s David Frum in the Atlantic making a similar objection:

The special counsel will investigate whether people in the Trump campaign violated any laws when they gleefully leveraged the fruits of Russian espionage to advance their campaign.

By contrast, what happened in plain sight—cheering rather than condemning a Russian attack on American democracy—will be treated as a non-issue, because it was not criminal, merely anti-democratic and disloyal.

Since the summer before the election, Trump’s critics have been suggesting or sometimes stating outright that Russia is involved with a criminal conspiracy that reaches to the highest levels of Trump’s inner circle. But now that an unimpeachable bulldog prosecutor has been named to probe these very allegations, the critics seem to be trying to move the goalposts, saying that the real problem isn’t criminality, but the sleaze and outlandish behavior of the Trump campaign more generally—behavior that was already obvious to voters when they went to the polls in 2016, and will be even more obvious when they go to the polls in 2018.

Trump’s outrageous and indefensible conduct around the Russia investigation—his firing of Comey to attempt to quash the inquiry, along with the subsequent allegations that he demanded Comey’s loyalty early on and leaned on him to drop the investigation of Mike Flynn—cries out for a special counsel, and Mueller, by all accounts, is a consummate choice. Any wrongdoing related to the Trump campaign, from the President himself to bottom-feeders like Carter Page, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

But the Trump-Russia hounds now seem to be realizing the limits of the scandal they have been pursuing—yes, maybe someone like Manafort will go down for money-laundering, and yes, Trump had shady deals with Russian banks as a real estate tycoon in the 1990s. But this is simply not as big of a scandal as they would like it to be.

Mueller seems well-equipped to do what the country sorely needs right now: Determine if there was criminal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, and hold any wrongdoers accountable. He is not, however, equipped to do what Trump’s most relentless critics seem to want: Launch a wide-ranging and essentially political investigation into Donald Trump and his associates with the aim not of bringing the matter to a resolution, but of creating a steady stream of media frenzies that paralyzes an administration they loathe.
 
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I think the new FBI director will play a much more important role in restoring FBI credibility. I have read where Trump favored former Dem Senator, Joe Lieberman, but the Dems don't want him. Strange indeed. I'm not sure the Dems will be happy with any appointment unless they are a partisan Dem.
Look, you can fault a fighter for biting someone's ear when against the ropes getting beat, but you can't fault them for clinching and trying to waste time till the bell.

The Dems are getting a serious beat down right now, and are trying to get through the round. And try to win the next round (midterms).
 

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Look, you can fault a fighter for biting someone's ear when against the ropes getting beat, but you can't fault them for clinching and trying to waste time till the bell.

The Dems are getting a serious beat down right now, and are trying to get through the round. And try to win the next round (midterms).

The country is more important than mid-term elections. We are destroying this country in the process. I know what the Dems are doing, but we need to get things done. So many things from tax reform to infrastructure to immigration. We can't shut down the government hoping to win the next election.
 

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The country is more important than mid-term elections. We are destroying this country in the process. I know what the Dems are doing, but we need to get things done. So many things from tax reform to infrastructure to immigration. We can't shut down the government hoping to win the next election.
Come on Paxxx, it's a tactic used both left and right. Just because your boys are in power, don't act like the pettiness is shameful now. It's always been shameful.

The division is what's destroying the country. The lack of coming together for common goals, the lack being able to discuss issues without partisan rage overcoming debate, the polarization of truth and justice.....both sides need to stop and try to come together. You have to give Sanders a little credit, he's winning me over with his demeanor.
 

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Come on Paxxx, it's a tactic used both left and right. Just because your boys are in power, don't act like the pettiness is shameful now. It's always been shameful.

The division is what's destroying the country. The lack of coming together for common goals, the lack being able to discuss issues without partisan rage overcoming debate, the polarization of truth and justice.....both sides need to stop and try to come together. You have to give Sanders a little credit, he's winning me over with his demeanor.

I have never before seen this level of vitriol. This is being taken to a whole new level. I don't know how you get the genie back in the bottle again. And the media, as corrupt as they are, are making this situation much worse. They do more to divide the country than politicians, imo. They have a much bigger audience.
 

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I have never before seen this level of vitriol. This is being taken to a whole new level. I don't know how you get the genie back in the bottle again.
By first believing it can be done. I think Mueller is a positive step in that direction.
 

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I have never before seen this level of vitriol. This is being taken to a whole new level. I don't know how you get the genie back in the bottle again. And the media, as corrupt as they are, are making this situation much worse. They do more to divide the country than politicians, imo. They have a much bigger audience.
And I guess you can't give old man Berns some credit, can you?
 

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And I guess you can't give old man Berns some credit, can you?

I think he says what he thinks which is refreshing. I think his policies would, however, destroy this country. Socialism doesn't work. Never has, never will.
 

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I think the new FBI director will play a much more important role in restoring FBI credibility. I have read where Trump favored former Dem Senator, Joe Lieberman, but the Dems don't want him. Strange indeed. I'm not sure the Dems will be happy with any appointment unless they are a partisan Dem.
Why put a politician in as the head of the FBI? Why not a career prosecutor? or some other less political person with great integrity.