Famed, liberal Constitutional Scholar, Alan Dershowitz, Trump's exec order is Constitutional

WVPATX

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He made a great point. According to the Hawaii judge, the order was unconstitutional based on Trump's campaign rhetoric. Dershowitz questioned how an order can be unconstitutional under one president but constitutional (if Obama ordered it, for example) under another? That is NOT how our Constitution works.

Dershowitz: Courts Psychoanalyzing Trump — If Obama Issued Travel Ban, It Would Be Constitutional

Saturday on Fox News Channel’s “Fox & Friends,” while discussing federal courts in Hawaii and Maryland halting President Donald Trump’s new restrictions on travelers from majority-Muslim countries, Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz said if Trump’s predecessor former President Barack Obama had issued the same order, the courts would not have intervened on the constitutionality of the executive order.

“The idea of focusing so heavily on campaign rhetoric and essentially saying, look, if Obama had issued the very same order with the same words it would be constitutional, but if Trump issues it, it’s unconstitutional because he said some things about Muslims in the run-up to the campaign,” he said.

Dershowitz continued, “That’s not the way the law is supposed to operate. And finally, the Trump Justice Department is getting smart. They are appealing this not to the Ninth Circuit where they are likely to get an adverse ruling. They are appealing it to the Fourth Circuit. The Fourth Circuit is a much more conservative court. And much more likely to uphold the travel ban, and then if the case goes to the Supreme Court and ties four to four, Trump wins.”

He added, “I actually said that this wasn’t constitutional analysis. It was psychoanalysis. There is precedent in extreme cases where legislators in enacting a statute say things that you can sometimes look to the legislative intent. But I have never heard of a case where the rhetoric of a candidate, ambiguous rhetoric to be sure — because I do not believe this is a Muslim ban —focusing on a country like Iran, the greatest exporter of terrorism, not only no vetting, it sends terrorists out in order to kill Americans. Iran has so much blood on its hands of Americans and American allies, to exclude a country like Iran from the list would be absurd. And the list —although for a different purpose — was originally designed by President Obama. So how can you say that the exclusion of six countries on the list was motivated by what Mr. Trump said when he was candidate Trump? That is not good legal analysis. I’m putting my reputation on the line—I predict the case gets to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court will uphold the major provisions of this ban.”
 

bornaneer

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It won't make a difference until it gets to the SCOTUS and thats iffy until the new judge is seated.
 

dave

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It won't make a difference until it gets to the SCOTUS and thats iffy until the new judge is seated.
If the 4th circuit overrules the district court judges and SCOTUS is 4-4 the 4th court decision stands.
 

WVPATX

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It won't make a difference until it gets to the SCOTUS and thats iffy until the new judge is seated.

Actually Dershowitz made a great point. They are not appealing the Maryland decision to the 9th Circuit, but to the much more conservative 4th circuit. That means a 4-4 tie at SCOTUS gives Trump the win.

The Hawaii ruling appeal will likely wait until Gorsuch is seated.
 

moe

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He made a great point. According to the Hawaii judge, the order was unconstitutional based on Trump's campaign rhetoric. Dershowitz questioned how an order can be unconstitutional under one president but constitutional (if Obama ordered it, for example) under another? That is NOT how our Constitution works.

Dershowitz: Courts Psychoanalyzing Trump — If Obama Issued Travel Ban, It Would Be Constitutional

Saturday on Fox News Channel’s “Fox & Friends,” while discussing federal courts in Hawaii and Maryland halting President Donald Trump’s new restrictions on travelers from majority-Muslim countries, Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz said if Trump’s predecessor former President Barack Obama had issued the same order, the courts would not have intervened on the constitutionality of the executive order.

“The idea of focusing so heavily on campaign rhetoric and essentially saying, look, if Obama had issued the very same order with the same words it would be constitutional, but if Trump issues it, it’s unconstitutional because he said some things about Muslims in the run-up to the campaign,” he said.

Dershowitz continued, “That’s not the way the law is supposed to operate. And finally, the Trump Justice Department is getting smart. They are appealing this not to the Ninth Circuit where they are likely to get an adverse ruling. They are appealing it to the Fourth Circuit. The Fourth Circuit is a much more conservative court. And much more likely to uphold the travel ban, and then if the case goes to the Supreme Court and ties four to four, Trump wins.”

He added, “I actually said that this wasn’t constitutional analysis. It was psychoanalysis. There is precedent in extreme cases where legislators in enacting a statute say things that you can sometimes look to the legislative intent. But I have never heard of a case where the rhetoric of a candidate, ambiguous rhetoric to be sure — because I do not believe this is a Muslim ban —focusing on a country like Iran, the greatest exporter of terrorism, not only no vetting, it sends terrorists out in order to kill Americans. Iran has so much blood on its hands of Americans and American allies, to exclude a country like Iran from the list would be absurd. And the list —although for a different purpose — was originally designed by President Obama. So how can you say that the exclusion of six countries on the list was motivated by what Mr. Trump said when he was candidate Trump? That is not good legal analysis. I’m putting my reputation on the line—I predict the case gets to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court will uphold the major provisions of this ban.”
He probably thought the first one was good too.
 

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A retired police chief from Greenville, North Carolina harshly criticized immigration officials who pulled him out of line, stripped him of his possessions and detained him due to his name.

Writing on Facebook on Saturday, retired cop Hassan Aden said he was returning from Paris where he helped his mother celebrate her 80th birthday when he was singled out and pulled from line by a customs official at John F. Kennedy International Airport who asked, “Are you traveling alone? Let’s take a walk.”






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WVPATX

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He probably thought the first one was good too.

He did, because it was. The courts are way out of bounds on this one. They have ZERO knowledge of threats to the U.S. Yet, they tell the executive branch and congress what to do? Laughable if it weren't so dangerous.