Far Stoops

[merrimanm]

Yes with facilities but what about what actually matters? Winning games.

Umm...pretty sure that is the plan. Facilities has changed, OC has changed twice, new WR. Last year changed QBs. To say Stoops hasnt made changes is really just ignorant at best.

He has also changed in that he coaches DBS now, he changed the recruiting philosophy, and changed his approach to special teams. To name a few more.

 

[NCukcat62]

Umm...pretty sure that is the plan. Facilities has changed, OC has changed twice, new WR. Last year changed QBs. To say Stoops hasnt made changes is really just ignorant at best.

He has also changed in that he coaches DBS now, he changed the recruiting philosophy, and changed his approach to special teams. To name a few more.

Changed the way he coached special teams????? Hahahahaha you mean lining 8 on a punt return? Or deciding to not have a ST coach last year? Good argument. And yeah winning games is the plan, pretty sure that's the plan for every football coach in America.

 

[merrimanm]

Changed the way he coached special teams????? Hahahahaha you mean lining 8 on a punt return? Or deciding to not have a ST coach last year? Good argument. And yeah winning games is the plan, pretty sure that's the plan for every football coach in America.

Yes he changes his plan. He hired a special teams coach. Pretty big change.

And you nailed it. Yall seem to think other teams are just going to allow us to win games. Again, if it were so easy, everyone would be doing it.

 

[NCukcat62]

Yes he changes his plan. He hired a special teams coach. Pretty big change.

And you nailed it. Yall seem to think other teams are just going to allow us to win games. Again, if it were so easy, everyone would be doing it.

I'm not arguing with you because I don't believe you don't have passion but you have to understand its year 4 and we have yet to see true improvement

 

[merrimanm]

I'm not arguing with you because I don't believe you don't have passion but you have to understand its year 4 and we have yet to see true improvement

Yes we have. I remember going 2-10. Again, change comes in different forms and requires different time frames.

 

[Shavers48]

The worst thing that could happen is stoops getting to 6 wins in year 5 or 6. It could easily doom us. We'd get another 3 years of under 500 football, with the occasional bowl every half decade or so. Smdh.

this is the fear Indiana fan has right now. and we seem to be using the exact same blueprint.

 

[ukalumni00]

Continue to believe DJ is a big part of the problem. He is horrible at adjustments, hasn't done squat recruiting since the first class where he landed Hatcher and Timmons, and appears the players do not respect him much.

Stoops needs to take the defense over now and beg Pelini to come after this season.

New coach wise, Tressel would be a home run hire given the current talent level. Bigtime winner, excellent recruiter, and would stabilize this program and keep the pipeline in OH wide open.

Younger route would have to be Brohm.

I think UK can get either one of them.

11 games left. Time to see what Stoops is made of.

 

[Anon1672555336]

Considering the candidates for the job when we decided to hire stoops. He was BY FAR the worst option of all our candidates. And those candidates were PROVEN HC's very much unlike stoops who has yet to prove to even be a halfway competent head coach. Stoops poops. We just need to hire a proven winner I don't care who it is. But IMO no way could it get much worse than stoops himself. He tries running a 3-4 in the SEC with a very weak DL. You have to have a top notch DL to run a 3-4. That's one highly dreadful silly mistake. He absolutely fails in the adjustment department. His team's look horribly prepared for games. And in the last 2 games he has blown 21+ point leads. Sorry to burst your bubble but he's obviously just not getting it done.

The teams are not horribly prepared or atleaast haven't been they last 2 games. Fact is in both games dating back to last season the team raced out to a big lead. Which shows a good game plan and well prepared team. Now blowing the big leads shows either a lack of in game adjustments to other team's adjustments or player's and the coaching staff getting to comfortable with big leads and letting up. Thinking the other team will lay down and give them the game.

 

[Woodrow24]

Yes he changes his plan. He hired a special teams coach. Pretty big change.

And you nailed it. Yall seem to think other teams are just going to allow us to win games. Again, if it were so easy, everyone would be doing it.

Defense is where the majority of change needs to take place now. What's your prediction for the game tomorrow?

 

[merrimanm]

Defense is where the majority of change needs to take place now. What's your prediction for the game tomorrow?

I think it is going to be tough. I think our defensive line is just too thin and LBs are to inexperienced to help. I do think we will be able to score on them though. I think we are going to have to be great offensively with some quick throws, bubble screens and Boom Williams.

I also think special teams may gI've us a lift. Last week, we were really close to breaking a few returns.

The changes on defense to me isn't as much scheme as much as personnel. I don't think any scheme will help our dline right now to be honest. But I do think.our lbs are talented enough to help quicker.

 

[Audobaby]

1) UK needs a last-minute touchdown to survive Louisiana Lafayette.

2) UK overcomes a 14-point fourth quarter deficit and narrowly defeats Eastern Kentucky in overtime.

3) UK gets thoroughly manhandled on both sides of the ball in the second half against Southern Mississippi.

Try as I might, I simply cannot forget about these pitiful performances when trying to fairly assess Stoops' entire tenure here. For anyone who doubts Stoops' ability, these games provided the ultimate ammunition to support their position.

I am still on the fence regarding whether Stoops should be fired, but there's no denying some troubling red flags have been raised throughout his four years in Lexington. Losing to or narrowly defeating the lower-tier opponents in Year 3 and Year 4 doesn't inspire much confidence.

 

[morgousky]

Umm...pretty sure that is the plan. Facilities has changed, OC has changed twice, new WR. Last year changed QBs. To say Stoops hasnt made changes is really just ignorant at best.

He has also changed in that he coaches DBS now, he changed the recruiting philosophy, and changed his approach to special teams. To name a few more.

Well all that's left is a few hours with madden so he can figure out proper game and clock / timeout management

 

[Bluesnky]

1) UK needs a last-minute touchdown to survive Louisiana Lafayette.

2) UK overcomes a 14-point fourth quarter deficit and narrowly defeats Eastern Kentucky in overtime.

3) UK gets thoroughly manhandled on both sides of the ball in the second half against Southern Mississippi.

Try as I might, I simply cannot forget about these pitiful performances when trying to fairly assess Stoops' entire tenure here. For anyone who doubts Stoops' ability, these games provided the ultimate ammunition to support their position.

I am still on the fence regarding whether Stoops should be fired, but there's no denying some troubling red flags have been raised throughout his four years in Lexington. Losing to or narrowly defeating the lower-tier opponents in Year 3 and Year 4 doesn't inspire much confidence.

Yeah I'm with you. But if we don't win 6 this year, and someone like Strong or Malzahn gets canned, Stoops has to be bought out.

 

[catfanjd]

The premise that Stoops needs 5 years to see success at UK is bogus. Any coach worth his salt should only need 3 years to start having winning seasons and bowls.

Lol what an arrogant statement. We are in the toughest conference with the smallest in state recruiting base. Another "entitled" fan

 

[morgousky]

Lol what an arrogant statement. We are in the toughest conference with the smallest in state recruiting base. Another "entitled" fan

Mitch get off message boards and get to work. Your excuses have run their course.

 

[Shavers48]

Lol what an arrogant statement. We are in the toughest conference with the smallest in state recruiting base. Another "entitled" fan

entitled.....:joy:

 

[JPFisher]

Yeah I'm with you. But if we don't win 6 this year, and someone like Strong or Malzahn gets canned, Stoops has to be bought out.

Why, so they can underperform here as they did at their previous stops?

 

[JPFisher]

entitled.....:joy:

More "microwave."

 

[catfanjd]

No Mitch and the Board at UK need to leave the SEC. They need to find a conference that is good for their fanbase. I hate UL. Can you imagine us in playing in the ACC? Basketball games would be awesome. Football wouldn't be a cake walk but it would have given Kentucky a chance to build a football program. Instead the administration sells out the fanbase to collect their SEC football check and give us a basketball schedule that is hard to enjoy until NCAA tournament. More UK fans need to pound the drum to find a better conference.

 

[JPFisher]

Mitch get off message boards and get to work. Your excuses have run their course.

I finally get it. You're Art Still. You're after Mitch's lucky charms.

I don't particularly care for Barnhart, so Still would be great to try. You don't seem to enjoy anything about football or administration at this point, so I'll meet you halfway and say that we could theoretically ditch Mitch and have no ill effects.

 

[morgousky]

I finally get it. You're Art Still. You're after Mitch's lucky charms.

I don't particularly care for Barnhart, so Still would be great to try. You don't seem to enjoy anything about football or administration at this point, so I'll meet you halfway and say that we could theoretically ditch Mitch and have no ill effects.

Okay?

 

[catfanjd]

No Mitch and the Board at UK need to leave the SEC. They need to find a conference that is good for their fanbase. I hate UL. Can you imagine us in playing in the ACC? Basketball games would be awesome. Football wouldn't be a cake walk but it would have given Kentucky a chance to build a football program. Instead the administration sells out the fanbase to collect their SEC football check and give us a basketball schedule that is hard to enjoy until NCAA tournament. More UK fans need to pound the drum to find a better conference.

Again I hate U of L but their AD made a great move. We are so focused on the money. I am tired of paying the bill and my bill certainly isn't as big as some of the great seat fans

 

[JPFisher]

No Mitch and the Board at UK need to leave the SEC. They need to find a conference that is good for their fanbase. I hate UL. Can you imagine us in playing in the ACC? Basketball games would be awesome. Football wouldn't be a cake walk but it would have given Kentucky a chance to build a football program. Instead the administration sells out the fanbase to collect their SEC football check and give us a basketball schedule that is hard to enjoy until NCAA tournament. More UK fans need to pound the drum to find a better conference.

Yes, because basketball focused conferences do so well (think Big East) and rake in so much profit. It benefits athletics as a whole to be in the SEC.

We schedule a solid OOC schedule and typically have several good SEC teams to play before the NCAAT. I'm usually pretty happy with the basketball schedule.

Edit: not the biggest basketball fan, so take that fwiw.

 

[JPFisher]

Okay?

Just attempting to replicate your coy demeanor.

 

[morgousky]

Just attempting to replicate your coy demeanor.

Okay?

 

[catfanjd]

Yes, because basketball focused conferences do so well (think Big East) and rake in so much profit. It benefits athletics as a whole to be in the SEC.

We schedule a solid OOC schedule and typically have several good SEC teams to play before the NCAAT. I'm usually pretty happy with the basketball schedule.

Edit: not the biggest basketball fan, so take that fwiw.

As a season ticket holder in basketball for the price I pay. Not seeing the value in the Rupp schedule. Just saying

 

[catfanjd]

Yes, because basketball focused conferences do so well (think Big East) and rake in so much profit. It benefits athletics as a whole to be in the SEC.

We schedule a solid OOC schedule and typically have several good SEC teams to play before the NCAAT. I'm usually pretty happy with the basketball schedule.

Edit: not the biggest basketball fan, so take that fwiw.

So your comments make my point. You are fine being the whipping boy in the conference as long as UK gets their share of the money.

We have 13 winning seasons in my lifetime and some folks shelling out $2,500 for 6/7 home games and a parking pass. Some with good seats way more than that. For 13 winning seasons since 1965? That doesn't seem like value

 

[Anon1672555336]

This year and next year belong to Stools barring a horrific season this much is common knowledge. While attrition hurts every program it has hit UK and Stoops badly. Established programs can lose a starting caliber player and easily replace them. The talent and situation Stoops inherited he couldn't afford any monumental loses. He's had at least 3.

The main thing holding Stoops back is the front 7. Which should look completely different had he not had short comings. At this point Hatcher, Gunman and, Meant would drastically improve not only the talent but add much needed depth to this roster.

Think about it 3 starters would be pushed to second team. The line would be Miggins-Meant-Tubman. That sound a whole lot better and more athletic. Hatcher if he would have got his head out of his a$$ would be the best player in the defense.

I agree Elliott needs to be sent packing and should have went with Dawson. But everyone needs to be realistic and quit acting like Stoops took over a program in even half way decent shape. Factor in every detail. Yes he has made mistakes managing the game every first time coach does. But the players still have to be held accountable for missed tackles, dropped passes, dropped interceptions, blown assignments, turnovers and, the mistakes they make. Stoops picked who's on the field the players control what happens on it.

Is Stoops the man to turn the program around it's not looking good. But until the day he is fired he is the man. So if your a true UK fan support the team. Cheer them on and show them what BBN is all about it will only help with recruiting and show the coach after Stoops he has one help of a fan base no matter what.

 

[JPFisher]

As a season ticket holder in basketball for the price I pay. Not seeing the value in the Rupp schedule. Just saying

Why are you continuing to pay if you're dissatisfied?

I'm not saying I'm okay with being a whipping boy. I'm saying the benefits of doing reasonably well in the SEC in both sports is vastly more beneficial to the university than being reasonably good in both sports in the ACC.

Imagine a max of 5 for basketball profits and a max of 15 for football. UK will always get that five in basketball. Always. Doesn't matter if it's SEC or ACC. We will get that five.

Being middle-tier in football in the ACC gets us Jack ish. Let's say a three. We'd be behind FSU, UL, Clemson, and basically swim around a list of glorified high school teams at the bottom of the food chain in a sad football conference.

Being middle-tier in SEC gets us, let's say, a 10. Good bowl, good exposure, more prestige, and lots of moolah. 12-0 records not required. Just bowl records. Fifteen versus eight.

Football is the cash cow sport whether basketball folks like it or not. It just is. Even at UK and other blue blood programs.

I should also say that this is an example built for the sake of discussion. Values were made to illustrate a point, not be 100% true-to-life.

 

[lex cath]

Conrad,AA,Baker,Edwards,Jones,West.. There are 5 really good players even tho you fail to see it. Bannerman looney Dubose we dont know yet. The problem here at KY is our state doesn't produce enough D1 talent. So going into southern Ohio is something we have not done in the last 20 years since i have followed the cats.
Yes they need to recruit FL GA Al as well. But stoops has upgraded the talent and put the program in much better shape than what it was when he got here... Do you realize that we have been doing exactly what you fans are lobbying for in the past 20 years. Firing the coach asap.. Brooks it paid off.. Joker it was very clear that the program was going down hill very fast. Stoops has done some very good things with upgrading talent..
Now stoops needs to win. WIN... But you guy's have pretty much jumped off the deep end after ONE..ONE game. You want him fired NOW. If you would fire him NOW, who would replace him?? Do you realize there may be coaches out there that are good and would come here,but they see that the AD doesn't give the coaches a chance to coach there own talent..Here is a coach who took a lower MAC level talent and build it to Lower SEC talent. He looked really bad in the opening game after making change to try to fix the problem and Boom..Fans want him fired so the AD fires him.
Does he need to improve? No doubt. Thats one reason i like him. He knows what took place last year and saturday is unacceptable. Will he fix it? I don't know! Next 6 games will tell a lot.

But to think southern Ohio recruiting isn't important!!!

I personally think there are other things that need to change before we fire and hire a new staff!

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