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chasepollard

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I don't want to offend anybody and I'm sorry if I do but, I don't see anything entertaining in this match. If I wanted to watch wrestlers push each other around and score on push-outs I'd be an Iowa fan or maybe Sumo. If there was no push-out score in freestyle someone would have to score with a true wrestling move. Please, no push-out in College wrestling
I want it in Folkstyle just to discourage edge Wrestling.

It is probably needed to have some sort of stall function to the Wrestler just pushing for push-out points.
 
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newguy123

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I’m mixed on it. Fleeing the mat to avoid a takedown is lame. But nabbing those ankles while a single toe is in bounds is badass. Folkstyle has been experimenting with mat control the last couple of seasons by penalizing wrestlers that don’t hold center, not a huge fan of that either as it seems arbitrary and holding center doesn’t impact your ability to score.
 

Old Number Nine

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I’m mixed on it. Fleeing the mat to avoid a takedown is lame. But nabbing those ankles while a single toe is in bounds is badass. Folkstyle has been experimenting with mat control the last couple of seasons by penalizing wrestlers that don’t hold center, not a huge fan of that either as it seems arbitrary and holding center doesn’t impact your ability to score.
If you mean that the act of fleeing the mat to avoid a takedown is lame I agree. If you mean that the rule in folkstyle against fleeing the mat to avoid a takedown is lame then I don't agree. I feel that that is one of the best new rules in recent years. Furthermore. I feel that simply pushing an opponent out of bounds that is standing their ground, working for position, is stalling and should be called every time it happens.

I believe that if a wrestler leaves that mat unless it is from the action of a takedown of a throw, one of the wrestlers should either be charged with fleeing the mat to avoid a takedown or stalling. Anytime and everytime it happens.
 

newguy123

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If you mean that the act of fleeing the mat to avoid a takedown is lame I agree. If you mean that the rule in folkstyle against fleeing the mat to avoid a takedown is lame then I don't agree. I feel that that is one of the best new rules in recent years. Furthermore. I feel that simply pushing an opponent out of bounds that is standing their ground, working for position, is stalling and should be called every time it happens.

I believe that if a wrestler leaves that mat unless it is from the action of a takedown of a throw, one of the wrestlers should either be charged with fleeing the mat to avoid a takedown or stalling. Anytime and everytime it happens.
Yep same page.
 
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Chasingthirty-five

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Furthermore. I feel that simply pushing an opponent out of bounds that is standing their ground, working for position, is stalling and should be called every time it happens.
Not saying I disagree totally, but technically the guy pushing off is working for and doing a better job of gaining position. I don’t mind a push out point, while also noting that’s not the kind of wrestling I want to see. If you’re that aggressive going forward you shouldn’t be punished in my opinion. My hope is that it would lead to more action on the edge instead of less.
 

Old Number Nine

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Not saying I disagree totally, but technically the guy pushing off is working for and doing a better job of gaining position. I don’t mind a push out point, while also noting that’s not the kind of wrestling I want to see. If you’re that aggressive going forward you shouldn’t be punished in my opinion. My hope is that it would lead to more action on the edge instead of less.
I guess I can agree pushing is “working” but it’s not wrestling if you don’t act on it. I think we can all agree that backing up is not wrestling but Coleman backed up continually; he backed up and then shot. Sheets; push, push, high-crotch. Monday; push, push, fireman’s carry. Doucet; push, push, push, push…
 

Chasingthirty-five

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I guess I can agree pushing is “working” but it’s not wrestling if you don’t act on it. I think we can all agree that backing up is not wrestling but Coleman backed up continually; he backed up and then shot. Sheets; push, push, high-crotch. Monday; push, push, fireman’s carry. Doucet; push, push, push, push…
Ya I don’t want the goal to be push someone off for a point. What I think that would do though is either create more action by the guy backing up (force him to be creative) OR lead to poor positioning trying to avoid the push out thus leading to opportunity for the aggressor. And if it doesn’t force the guy backing up to do something then I don’t think it’s wrong to reward the aggressor.
 

daradestpadre

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I guess I can agree pushing is “working” but it’s not wrestling if you don’t act on it. I think we can all agree that backing up is not wrestling but Coleman backed up continually; he backed up and then shot. Sheets; push, push, high-crotch. Monday; push, push, fireman’s carry. Doucet; push, push, push, push…

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